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 buddykermit
 
Location: Mid Atlantic
Gender: Male
"hey dude watch this"
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<Reply # 200 on 6/27/2012 5:11 AM >
|  | | | i carry a glock 19 w night sights & a maglite for defense if im feeling funny. im suprised at how many of you are unarmed. i go alone but even in a group of people id feel better armed. i also am armed 100% of the time and have permission from the government to legally carry lol (i paid them off) im going to be getting a good survival knife here soon as well. better to have a gun and never need to use it then to not have it and die. ive yet to kill or shoot someone but have been a second from it a few times -in defense and fully justifiable- im not a violent or evil person and dont want to shoot anyone but if its them or me thats no choice at all IMO. plus a gun in the right hands 99% of the time will end the situation - the times i pulled (under 5 times) for my protection or w/e the people usually stop what they are doing and realize they got the wrong guy. not trying to sound cool or tough or whatever but if you dont agree with my opinion ill f'ing shoot ya! 
When one man, for whatever reason,
has the opportunity to lead an extraordinary life,
he has no right to keep it to himself |
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Keaven
  
Location: 15 miles from the Grassy Knoll
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 201 on 6/27/2012 12:08 PM >
| | | | Posted by buddykermit
... ive yet to kill or shoot someone but have been a second from it a few times -in defense and fully justifiable-... the times i pulled (under 5 times) for my protection or w/e the people usually stop what they are doing and realize they got the wrong guy....
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O Rly?
I think I smell troll. If by "pulling a gun" you mean you have actually drawn down on people 4 or 5 times, that seems quite high. I've known LEOs who have drawn down fewer times in their careers. Of coarse, I was taught not to point a gun at anything or anyone I didn't intend to shoot and not to shoot anyone I didn't intend to kill. Threatening people with a gun is really a bad idea.
If you have "pulled" your gun so often, you really need to reevaluate. Either you are putting yourself in too many dangerous situations or you are too jumpy to have any business carrying.
The general consensus of opinion here is that carrying while exploring is a bad idea for multiple reasons. And this includes most of us from the pro self-defense side of the debate.
I hope that all you are pulling is our chain, if not please reevaluate why you feel the need to point a weapon at others so often.
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buddykermit
Location: Mid Atlantic
Gender: Male
"hey dude watch this"
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<Reply # 203 on 6/27/2012 10:03 PM >
| | | | lol tribe ill try my best & i promise this will be my only response to him. i understand what you mean though as i hate the back and forth as much as everyone else. im not really sure what to say to the guy insinuating that i am lying or embellishing about my exploits other than 100% of what i post here is 100% factual and not embellished or exaggerated at all. thats just the person i am and i am wanting to share this with people who have a similar passion of UE. i also understand that from your eyes and experience you may not understand my actions and disagree with them. you should recognize though that you have no idea the person i am, the background i come from and the things ive done let alone the situations in which i presented my weapon to diffuse the situation. im 26 now and have been carrying since about 16-17 years old. so in 10 years if i pulled on under 5 people and shot none of them thats pretty good considering the la vida loca i lived during those years. if i didnt use my best judgement and self control when it comes to my guns i wouldve shot many more than 5 people. so in summary there is a saying about assumptions and i guss im done making an ass of myself. im sure i couldve just messaged the guy but i guess since im new and this is the first guy to somewhat attack my character/ choices on here i felt the need to better explain myself to all. and yes you were right i put myself in dangerous situations wayyyyyyy more frequently then i should
edit - heres my personal video on my YT page of what i carry everyday in case youd like to see what the troll totes
http://www.youtube...atch?v=-kejIykCU-c
[last edit 6/27/2012 10:13 PM by buddykermit - edited 1 times]
When one man, for whatever reason,
has the opportunity to lead an extraordinary life,
he has no right to keep it to himself |
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Steed
     
Location: Edmonton/Seoul
Gender: Male
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Race Traitor
| |  | Re: defense
<Reply # 205 on 6/28/2012 2:23 AM >
| | | | Hey, we can't all live in safe countries where guns aren't necessary.
Personally if I felt I had to carry any kind of weapon more serious than a tripod or a maglite, I'd find another hobby, but that's just me.
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Keaven
Location: 15 miles from the Grassy Knoll
Gender: Male
| | | Re: defense
<Reply # 206 on 6/28/2012 2:39 AM >
| | | | Posted by buddykermit
... im not really sure what to say to the guy insinuating that i am lying or embellishing about my exploits ... im sure i couldve just messaged the guy but i guess since im new and this is the first guy to somewhat attack my character/ choices ...
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I understand Tribeachpunk doesn't want back in forth, but if I come across as
insinuating that you were lying, I need to clarify publically.
I was NOT calling you a liar. I was saying that I thought (hoped) you were kidding. I'm not attacking your character; but I do strongly disagree with your choices.
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Yeah, That Guy
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Yeah, I'm 'That Guy'.
| | Re: defense
<Reply # 207 on 6/30/2012 10:37 AM >
| | | | I like to avoid situations where I will need to defend myself. I've encountered homeless people but have never had a problem with them. I enjoy talking with and to them. They usually have some great and interesting stories to tell.
My 'thing' is exploring combat zones or former combat zones. I've still avoided ever carrying or using guns. I prefer stealth and a camera. I've been discovered in some locations. Conventional military tend to consider me a nutjob, harmless but crazy once they work out what I am doing. Non conventional military also tend to think the same. I've been offered some great coffee and amusing meals by some of the forces in former Soviet states and the middle east. I won't go into places like Iraq (again) or Afghanistan because kidnapping and executions of westerners have been big there and that worries me.
In civilised countries weapons attract trouble. I've never needed them. I've talked my way out a lot of situations by use of my accent, and being open and honest.
Yes, *THAT* guy. |
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Tupsumato
Location: Finland
Gender: Male
How close can you go?
| | Re: defense
<Reply # 208 on 7/1/2012 6:33 PM >
| | | | Posted by Steed
Hey, we can't all live in safe countries where guns aren't necessary. |
If I lived in a place where I would have to carry a gun for self-defence, I'd fucking move.
Oh wait.
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buddykermit
Location: Mid Atlantic
Gender: Male
"hey dude watch this"
| | Re: defense
<Reply # 209 on 7/1/2012 8:31 PM >
| | | | finns are known all over the world for being excellent precision riflemen!
i understand that alot of people here are not into self defense, and me being armed rubs alot of people here the wrong way. i guess i would just like to convey to you that id never use deadly force unless my life, or the people around me was in immediate danger. if i or another ccdw holder happen to save your life one day maybe it will change your opinion on it. the times ive presented my weapon in defense, my life and the people around me were in immediate danger. i still used great self control in these situations and no lives were lost/no injuries and the situations were diffused without a single shot being fired(best case scenario)there is nothing that anyone can tell me that will make me see things different. i dont look at my life as expendable and i will do whats necessary to see another day and my daughter grow. if i were a cat with 9 to spare maybe id see things differently.
that being said- if you dont agree, thats cool! just give me the same liberty
edit-i dont follow horoscopes but i glanced down to see mine today and thought id share this. im a scorpio (november 9th)
[last edit 7/1/2012 9:03 PM by buddykermit - edited 1 times]
When one man, for whatever reason,
has the opportunity to lead an extraordinary life,
he has no right to keep it to himself |
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vividdecay
Location: Baltimore
Gender: Male
| | Re: defense
<Reply # 210 on 7/1/2012 9:15 PM >
| | | | Posted by buddykermit
finns are known all over the world for being excellent precision riflemen!
i understand that alot of people here are not into self defense, and me being armed rubs alot of people here the wrong way. i guess i would just like to convey to you that id never use deadly force unless my life, or the people around me was in immediate danger. if i or another ccdw holder happen to save your life one day maybe it will change your opinion on it. the times ive presented my weapon in defense, my life and the people around me were in immediate danger. i still used great self control in these situations and no lives were lost/no injuries and the situations were diffused without a single shot being fired(best case scenario)there is nothing that anyone can tell me that will make me see things different. i dont look at my life as expendable and i will do whats necessary to see another day and my daughter grow. if i were a cat with 9 to spare maybe id see things differently.
that being said- if you dont agree, thats cool! just give me the same liberty
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I think if you used proper grammar and expressed your opinion about firearms in a more mature manner you'd be looked at more respectfully. It's hard to tell whether you are trolling or serious. Especially when you say you paid the government off. If you were saying you lived in Mexico, then maybe that would be believable. You say you own a firearm and have pulled it 5 times because your life was in danger? I'd like to hear the stories... Last I checked, Kentucky wasn't that crazy. I know people who have explored all around Baltimore (at one point was murder capital of the U.S.A.) and carry no guns and have never had a life threatening issue where they needed to pull a gun. Guns are not something to joke around about especially on a forum that clearly doesn't respect your views. You make guns seem like a laughing matter. I suppose it will continue to be a laughing matter to you until your exploring and a guy who looks like he could be the slightest bit dangerous is nearby and you pull out a glock, shoot him dead, and then have to tell the police "he looked dangerous!".
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Goosey
| | Re: defense
<Reply # 211 on 7/1/2012 9:49 PM >
| | | | Posted by VividVisions
Especially when you say you paid the government off. |
A joke.
| If you were saying you lived in Mexico, then maybe that would be believable. You say you own a firearm and have pulled it 5 times because your life was in danger? I'd like to hear the stories... |
That was a bit concerning.
| You make guns seem like a laughing matter. |
Never a good thing.
| I know people who have explored all around Baltimore (at one point was murder capital of the U.S.A.) and carry no guns and have never had a life threatening issue where they needed to pull a gun. |
So what? There are people who have walked across Afghanistan without needing guns, just as there are people who have needed guns in the safest areas. I have known people who have walked barefoot across floors littered with glass and weren't cut... that doesn't mean it isn't a good idea to wear a pair of shoes.
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vividdecay
Location: Baltimore
Gender: Male
| | Re: defense
<Reply # 212 on 7/1/2012 9:59 PM >
| | | | Posted by Goosey
A joke.
That was a bit concerning.
Never a good thing.
So what? There are people who have walked across Afghanistan without needing guns, just as there are people who have needed guns in the safest areas. I have known people who have walked barefoot across floors littered with glass and weren't cut... that doesn't mean it isn't a good idea to wear a pair of shoes.
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A joke? I know, I'm not an idiot. But you don't joke around about guns. Urban exploring is already against the law so throwing a gun into the mix is serious. Based off how he's acting like a tough guy about it instead of responsibly talking about it, shows he probably flaunts the gun around irresponsibly or something of that nature.
One things for sure, if you carry any sort of weapon in self defense, then get in a predicament in an abandoned building, use it, it's not going to look good to the police AT ALL. At that point it wont matter if you had a permit or not.
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Goosey
| | Re: defense
<Reply # 213 on 7/1/2012 10:46 PM >
| | | | Posted by VividVisions
A joke? I know, I'm not an idiot. But you don't joke around about guns. Urban exploring is already against the law so throwing a gun into the mix is serious. Based off how he's acting like a tough guy about it instead of responsibly talking about it, shows he probably flaunts the gun around irresponsibly or something of that nature.
One things for sure, if you carry any sort of weapon in self defense, then get in a predicament in an abandoned building, use it, it's not going to look good to the police AT ALL. At that point it wont matter if you had a permit or not.
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I see your point. It wasn't a joke related to firearms use or handling. There are gun jokes and I didn't see a problem with that. It wasn't so much about the guns as the state officials.
Being irresponsible with a gun is something dead people do...
I agree with the abandoned buildings part. Guns and UE don't mix. At the same time, it's better than ending up dead. I guess it's all up to how responsible the person is, how well they understand when it is reasonable to introduce a gun and use lethal force (many don't seem to have a firm grasp) and if they are breaking the law or not.
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Abby Normal
Location: Las Vegas
Gender: Female
| | | Re: defense
<Reply # 214 on 7/2/2012 3:00 AM >
| | | | I realize that firearm ownership, possession, and use is a touchy subject for many. I was raised in the southwest in a family of hunters and sport shooters. Although I don't hunt, I do enjoy sport shooting and feel that firearms can be an effective self defense weapon. That belief led me to complete the proper training to get my concealed firearm permit. As a single female who travels solo in very remote parts of the desert southwest exploring abandoned mines, I feel that I would be putting myself in more danger by not having a gun than I would by having it. Some situations are funny though. The guys are often surprised to see my holstered weapon at my side, but usually ask, "Hey, what cha' carrying?" then go on to tell me about their favorite gun.
Urban is a different animal all together. I would never openly carry a handgun while in the city. That is when I carry concealed if I feel that the situation might warrant it. That said, I rarely carry when I'm in town.
I'm not advocating for or against carrying while exploring. I'm just sharing my personal experience.
Abby Normal
[last edit 7/2/2012 3:12 AM by Abby Normal - edited 1 times]
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Tupsumato
Location: Finland
Gender: Male
How close can you go?
| | Re: defense
<Reply # 215 on 7/2/2012 5:19 AM >
| | | | Posted by buddykermit
finns are known all over the world for being excellent precision riflemen! |
Yeah, one Finn, to be precise (no pun intended). We do have a lot of firearms around per capita, mostly because hunting and reservist activity are popular hobbies, and the majority can shoot with an assault rifle due to mandatory military service, but still things like carrying a gun without proper reason and using a firearm for self-defence are highly illegal and heavily punished, and always comes with the loss of all firearms and possession permits one holds. People still get shot with both legal and illegal guns, but fortunately it usually happens within the family or in schools, not randomly on the streets (with the exception of the most recent incident which left two dead and a young police with a heavy hunting rifle round in her stomach). The downside is that after the school shootings it has been next to impossible to obtain a licence, so I had to scrap my plans about starting a shooting hobby.
As I've explained in this thread, I recently lived in a place where I had to have a rifle for self-defence when moving outside the settlements, but at the same time the only crime that you could expect from the people living there was someone driving a snow scooter after couple of drinks. I'm hoping to return there next year since I still haven't properly explored the abandoned town...
Anyway, time to go to work. I live and work in districts that are as ghetto as it can go in Finland. Lots of unemployed immigrants and so on. Hoping that no-one robs me while I sleep in the public transit...
;)
[last edit 7/2/2012 5:20 AM by Tupsumato - edited 1 times]
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Moderate
Location: Ottawa, ON
Gender: Male
| | | Re: defense
<Reply # 216 on 7/2/2012 11:22 PM >
| | | | Buddykermit did admit to carrying a firearm when he was 16. Minimum age for concealed carry in every US State is 21 (by Federal Law), in Kentucky you can open carry at 18...did he illegally carry for 2-5 years?
If that's true, telling him not to carry while exploring is pointless...he's going to do it no matter what anyone says.
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Therrin
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Location: North of Chicago, IL
Gender: Male
*Therrin puts on the penguin-suit
| |  | Re: defense
<Reply # 217 on 7/3/2012 12:02 AM >
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After starting to watch this video, I stopped at the part where he said it's his "its his warrior gun, the extension of his arm, his sword into battle" after he pointed the muzzle straight at himself and the camera, THEN removed the magazine and took the round out of the chamber.
No real point in watching after that. Idiots do stupid things and will defend themselves till their out of breath.
At least pointing a gun at yourself is a self-correcting problem.
I enjoy firearms, but some people just carry so they can *feel* powerful. They should not be trusted.
Give a person a match and they'll be warm for a minute, but light them on fire and they'll be warm for the rest of their life. =) |
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Steevus
Location: Houston - Galleria Area
Gender: Male
| | Re: defense
<Reply # 218 on 7/3/2012 2:18 AM >
| | | | My biggest fear is hobos. But after reading this thread, it seems like no one has had any trouble. I'm surprised to hear this. I usually carry a knife and maglite.
Oh, and guns are good. 
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Ave Pita
Location: Mill Bay, Van Isl, BC, Canada
Gender: Male
| | Re: defense
<Reply # 219 on 7/3/2012 3:05 AM >
| | | | Self defence with firearm is a sticky issue; while IMO the right to defend oneself in ones home with a firearm (not against robbers, but against targeted home invasions, which, while rare, happen more often then people like to think about) is one that should be granted to all, I personally don't think that there's a huge need to carry a concealed handgun in most urban areas. I'm in Canada, so I can't legally do that anyways, but of all the people I have known who have been mugged, none of them were harmed and none of them used force to escalate the situation despite being capable of doing so using knifes that they had on their person.
If I had the right to carry a concealed firearm I would definitely do it IF the UE was in a really scummy part of town where I actually had fears of being murdered (ie, basically nowhere I'd ever explore anyways), however I recognize that having to actually use the firearm would basically fuck up your entire life. You are going to have all your guns taken away, spend thousands on lawyers, possibly go to jail, and most likely receive a life time ban on firearms usage. There's no way in hell any of that is worth it unless you are actually going to die if you don't pull and use a firearm. And the best way to not get into a shitty situation is to avoid it in the first place.
I DO open carry non-restricted firearms while in wilderness or isolated areas (as it is my legal privilege to do so; technically someone could open carry an unloaded long gun in urban areas, although this is an awful idea and is just plain stupid as the ERT would be on you like white on rice) but I do this because I have a legitimate fear of cougars and bears, and because I just enjoy being around firearms in general. For UE though? Nothing. SOMETIMES a fire poker in my bag, but thats it. I just don't feel that threatened; I can talk my way out of most situations with humans, I carry a firearm for 'innawoods' exploration because bears can't really be effectively reasoned with.
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