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UER Forum > Archived Rookie Forum > Police history? (Viewed 1744 times)
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Re: Police history?
<Reply # 20 on 4/20/2010 12:07 AM >
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Posted by trent
But, if you are planning on working for the FBI, they'd already make the match between you, your username here, and this post admitting guilt for trespassing



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Re: Police history?
<Reply # 21 on 4/20/2010 4:46 PM >
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Posted by bonnie&clyde


You had trouble keeping up with me when I was doing 80.


Hey now! That was a chevy 2500hd diesel. Thats a big truck.

I had borrowed my friends Mazda Miata that was all tricked out when i got caught.


EDIT: And you drive crazy.
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Re: Police history?
<Reply # 22 on 4/20/2010 6:40 PM >
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I have been questioned as to what I was doing out shooting at an old quarry type of place (there are fish and wildlife there as well as old pieces of radio towers etc). I had my camera with me. I replied that I was taking photos of the birds and wildlife because I'm sure I'd have gotten in much bigger trouble if I announced I was on my way to the OTHER side where all of the old scrapped towers were.

He let me go and told me to be careful and watch my step. I'm a chick and I seem harmless I guess. I often get that from the cops.

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Re: Police history?
<Reply # 23 on 4/20/2010 6:48 PM >
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Here's an idea. Submit a freedom of information request to the town/city/village for any any all information, records, or reports with your name on them.

Then you'll know exactly what you're dealing with. Hopefully you'd get a response saying that the name is not listed in any of their records.

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Re: Police history?
<Reply # 24 on 4/22/2010 5:55 AM >
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Posted by makman

So, what I'm wondering is: to what degree will this incident show up in whatever searches are done on my name in the future? If I get caught again, will the cops know that I've already been busted for trespassing (though I wasn't charged/arrested/etc)?


The answer is "probably." Most departments these days have an in-house management information system database that will log pretty much everything each officer does, regardless if it was related to a crime or anyone was arrested.

In the future, if that same department runs your name, their front-end software will not only check the major criminal databases like NCIC, but will also automatically check the local MIS to see if they've had contact with you before. The thing is, this local database isn't tied-in to any national or statewide system, though it could be tied-in to other local PDs.


Let's say that your incident took place in Rochester. If you get busted on private property in Albany, and during the course of conversation (or when running your drivers license) it turns out you live in Rochester, that Albany officer can ask his dispatcher to contact Rochester PD & see if they have any "local records" (several different phrases for it) for you. The Albany PD officer would then learn that you seem to have a habit of trespassing, even though no charges were filed in Rochester. Data that goes into this database is just about ANYTHING. You call to report a prowler outside your home & give the dispatcher your home #, & that will be put into the database. You give the responding officers your cell phone #, and that will go into the database. You mention to them that you have a shotgun & will shoot the prowler, and that info goes into the database.

These days for liability reasons, pretty much any contact between an officer & a civilian needs to be recorded. You tell them you're walking to the store to buy some bread & that probably won't be recorded unless you're a suspect in something & they're going to investigate your story, but you give them your cell phone # or whatever, and that info will go into their local MIS database. First it's written down on their Daily Activity Log, if they run your info then their mobile data computer or dispatcher logs it, and then at the end of the shift they do a brief writeup -- maybe just a sentence or two, along with all your identification info, and stays in the database pretty much FOREVER.


It doesn't matter that you're not charged or arrested, you don't even have to be a suspect. You could just be a witness to a crime, or even a hero that stops a criminal from beating up a little old lady -- the po-po is probably going to ask to see your ID, and will write down the important info and run the info either there or later on (depending on the circumstances of the contact). If you volunteer other info like SSN, telephone #s, etc. & it eventually goes into a database. One of the first things a cop learns in the academy is to ask for ID from someone, and write the info down, plus ask for contact info "Is this your current address? Can I get a phone #, in case I have any follow-up questions?"


How this helps you: You park your car somewhere, & your car alarm is going off continously, generating complaints. PD will run your place & get your name, then they can check their MIS database to see if they've had contact with you before. If they find your phone # in that database, they can call you & advise you to come fix your car, thus saving you from a $300+ towing/impound bill.


How this works against you: Same car-alarm scenario as above, but the database indicates you've had frequent run-ins with the police and have a hostile attitude towards LE -- screw you, they're not going to give you any courtesies, your car is on the hook, mo-fo! Another scenario that does actually happen pretty routinely: You kill someone, and when fleeing the area you're stopped for jay-walking. The officer lets you go with a warning. A month later, you're ID'ed as a suspect in the homicide. They run you thru the MIS & see that you were stopped in that area on the day the homicide occurred.



Federal gov't/DOD have a similar databases (only nationwide & worldwide) thanks to 9/11. Here's a DOD example: If your vehicle is seen suspiciously hanging-out along the perimeter of a military installation, regardless of whether or not the security police stop you, your plate & some basic facts about the incident go into a database.

A month later, you're observed doing the same thing around another military base, they'll see the same thing happened with your vehicle at another base -- probably not a coincidence.



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Re: Police history?
<Reply # 25 on 7/18/2010 1:35 AM >
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A fellow explorer and I were investigating a bunch of UE sites today. At two different sites in two different towns, we experienced run-ins with police. One town's cops were laid back, yet the other cops were more formal. They let us take pictures of the site, however, he requested ID from both of us. Is it within our right to refuse ID? We gave it to them anyway, but it would be nice to know for the future.

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Re: Police history?
<Reply # 26 on 7/18/2010 2:20 AM >
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Technically, you can always refuse to show ID (unless you are pulled over while driving). Basically, if you are caught committing a crime you have to give police your name. You can always ask "Am I free to leave / Am I being detained" and if they don't say "No/Yes" (respectively), you can walk away / not tell them anything.

TL;DR: depends where you were when you ran into the cops.



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Re: Police history?
<Reply # 27 on 7/18/2010 4:07 AM >
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I went through an interview process at a very high security place in Canada and I had to go through a high level security clearance...All they said that they can find is if you have a felony charge where there wasn't a pardon granted. But who knows how much information they can can actually access. It was a government owned place so most likely they can get there hands on any recorded incidents if they want.

Basically they said they cant decline you a job just because you have a speeding ticket or a similar ticket, only if there was a felony.

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Re: Police history?
<Reply # 28 on 7/18/2010 2:50 PM >
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http://en.wikipedi..._Identify_statutes

http://www.nytimes...egion/12frisk.html

Between January 2006 and March 2010, the police made nearly 52,000 stops on these blocks and in these buildings, according to a New York Times analysis of data provided by the Police Department and two organizations, the Center for Constitutional Rights and the New York Civil Liberties Union. In each of those encounters, officers logged the names of those stopped — whether they were arrested or not — into a police database that the police say is valuable in helping solve future crimes.


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Re: Police history?
<Reply # 29 on 7/26/2010 6:09 PM >
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Yes, we ID people we meet with. No, it isn't a big deal, don't worry. Ooligan was very accurate with his information.

Yes, show you're ID when asked by an Officer, don't argue about it. NEVER argue with police, not that it isn't your right, it's just that it isn't smart. Nothing pisses us off more than a "street law practitioner" who usually doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. Even if you feel you are being treated wrongly, go with it and complain to his supervisor later. If you feel you've been arrested or ticketed wrongly, take it to court. The side of the road, or outside an abandoned building, is not the place to plea your case.

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Re: Police history?
<Reply # 30 on 7/26/2010 7:10 PM >
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Word to live by, from my favorite donut expert and all around good guy.
Thank's to Hoolie too......always an education.

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