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Location: Edmonton/Seoul
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 20 on 1/19/2010 1:44 AM >
|  | | | I kind of have to agree with Samurai's conclusion. It would just be too ridiculous a lawsuit, and could end up drawing a lot of negative publicity one yourselves.
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TopLof
Location: Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
| |  | Re: Wood flooring and a sobering experience
<Reply # 21 on 1/19/2010 3:03 AM >
| | | | Posted by racetraitor
I kind of have to agree with Samurai's conclusion. It would just be too ridiculous a lawsuit, and could end up drawing a lot of negative publicity one yourselves.
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Not to mention it would make the whole hobby look bad. All suing is going to do is make us all look like jerks.
"It was a great mistake, my being born a man, I would have been much more successful as a sea gull or a fish. As it is, I will always be a stranger, who never feels at home, who does not really want and is not really wanted, who can never belong, who must always be a little in love with death!"
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Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
| | | Re: Wood flooring and a sobering experience
<Reply # 22 on 1/19/2010 3:16 AM >
| | | | Posted by racetraitor
I kind of have to agree with Samurai's conclusion. It would just be too ridiculous a lawsuit, and could end up drawing a lot of negative publicity one yourselves.
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Of course. The only time I think I would sue is if a property owner or guards did me unjustified harm ... i.e. I tried to run away (to escape and leave the property) and they shot me in the leg or they had me cornered and I surrendered peacefully and they went at me with a nightstick.
The fingers aren't too bad, but I've whacked my tailbone a few times and that really sucks but it could have been much much worse.
"No risk, no reward, no fun."
"Go all the way or walk away"
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gretschdiva
Location: Johnson City, Tennessee
Gender: Female
I'm just a chick, playing a chick, disguised as another chick
| | | Re: Wood flooring and a sobering experience
<Reply # 23 on 1/19/2010 3:45 AM >
| | | | Hey, everyone. Just thought I would post and say thank you for the well wishes. I hurt like hell today and it's impossible to find a comfortable position with a fractured coccyx, but I will heal and you can bet that I will be back into exploring as soon as I recover.
First, I want to address the legal business once and for all. I have absolutely no desire to pursue legal action, not with this injury, not with future injuries I may suffer. The thought of doing so seems absurd to me. My adventures come with the price of being injured at my own expense, and I am 100% okay with that. It is very much worth the risk.
This weekend was the most epic weekend I've ever had. The location we were at was so amazing- a giant playground just for us. I was so, so excited to explore the hell out of the place. DJ Craig was right, that catwalk looked totally safe. It was my very first time walking in front while exploring with him, and I was excited about leading. The flooring felt fine; there was no flex, no cracking or creaking, and it was really quite thick. There was no apparent dilapidation at all. He and I were discussing the unfortunate pending demolition of an armory in our area, then as I was in mid-sentence, I simultaneously heard a huge crash and I felt my surroundings fall upward, which was strangely an enjoyable sensation, amusing in fact... Then came impact and Craig saying, "Holy shit! Oh... no. Oh, fuck." I nearly laughed until I looked down and saw the tip of my middle finger made a beautiful little 90 degree angle. Perhaps in my disbelief of the situation, my first thought was, "If he sees my finger, he's probably going to faint," so I set my finger first thing. As I was inspecting the extent of the other injuries on my hand, I realized that my ring finger was also bent at a weird angle, and my index finger was looking a little gnarly too. The palm of my left hand was also bruised. As the adrenaline wore off, I realized that my back was hurting very badly, and my tailbone was on fire. It didn't settle in how far down I had fallen until I stood up straight and realized there was space above our heads. In spite of being terrified by seeing my fall and seeing my injuries, DJ Craig did a wicked awesome job of not panicking and getting us out of there and back to the others quickly. I'm very thankful for Bouncewiggle and ULiveAndUBurn's patience and understanding. I really, really hate that my injuries cut our adventures short. Most of all, I really hate that Craig had to experience the terror of watching me disappear.
Being a registered nurse and having completed most of nurse practitioner school, I really hated the idea of being seen, but realized that my injuries prompted me to overcome my so-called "healthcare provider associated non-compliance" and be seen. I waited until we got back to Tennessee, so I could return to my workplace and receive care for much cheaper than in the state we were in. My brother (who knows nothing of my adventures) drove me to the ER at the hospital I work at, and I presented with the story that I had fallen while on a hiking trip. No one really asked any questions and believed my story. After receiving care and having extensive XRays, CTs, and a MRI, all I had to pay was a $100 copay. I feel very thankful that I work for a hospital that takes such great care of and is so appreciative toward their employees.
So, moral of the story: you never know when something is going to collapse under you so take proper precautions lest ye fall, enjoy the brief ecstasy of adrenaline if you do fall, and by all means let DJ Craig go first 
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bouncewiggle
Location: Johnson City, TN
Gender: Female
| | | | Re: Wood flooring and a sobering experience
<Reply # 24 on 1/19/2010 3:52 AM >
| | | | i'm very paranoid about flooring. the thought of falling through a floor is almost always on my mind when i'm on wooden or thin metal flooring. always. but other things - like cables or wobbly (but secured) ladders at construction sites - don't make me think twice. i may go slowly, but i feel safe.
it's easy to get lulled into a feeling of false security - once you're inside a place, you often relax... stop thinking about getting caught, stop thinking about the hidden dangers, just sort of enjoy the view. but that's when mistakes happen. we've set up these elaborate systems (buildings, machinery, etc.) and they're full of tiny triggers that should they match up just right, the worst can happen. accidents are going to happen, even if we try to be as safe as possible at all times. it's just how the world works. we set things up - buildings, stairs, cars, anything - and one day they will fail. the best thing we can do is to always be aware of our surroundings and have an idea of the proper way to react should things go all a-fuck (like awry, but shittier).
gretschdiva was lucky in that her fall was short, but even that short fall did some damage that's going to mess up her daily life. i'm glad we got out of there without further incident, and without having to worry about fences or windows. if you want an exercise in team building, try helping someone who can't use their hands over a barbed wire fence. it's an interesting experiment.
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| I'm very thankful for Bouncewiggle and ULiveAndUBurn's patience and understanding |
you were hurt. not to be patient and understanding would've been a dick move, to say the least. =) it was an accident. these things happen. once things stop being fun and start being serious, it's time to get done what needs to be done. i'm glad you weren't hurt any worse than you were!
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bouncewiggle
Location: Johnson City, TN
Gender: Female
| | | | Re: Wood flooring and a sobering experience
<Reply # 25 on 1/19/2010 3:56 AM >
| | | | Posted by musket boy
i would call a lawyer
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i'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic about suing...
or at least that's the way i took it and would hope that sarcasm was intended.
i'd never sue over something like what happened recently. i choose to take the risks that i do, and if i get hurt... that's my own damn fault, isn't it?
[last edit 1/19/2010 3:56 AM by bouncewiggle - edited 1 times]
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steponmebbbboom
*NSFW*
| | Re: Wood flooring and a sobering experience
<Reply # 26 on 1/19/2010 4:28 AM >
| | | | i think one of the reasons we are so attracted to urban ruins is because we actually realise the human race does not have dominion over the universe and that someday our civilisation will fall as countless others have throughout history... and in exploring urban ruins we are actually getting a glimpse into our own future; our death. we are isolating ourselves in a world where there is no one to cater to our comforts or hear our screams or rush to our aid when we tumble through a rotten catwalk. there is a certain thrill in walking through an abandoned space that taps into that same primordial fear that grips us when discovering human bones, and that fear was programmed into us for a reason. you are supposed to get scared when you come across a place where people used to be, but aren't anymore. there was something that drove them out. and it will either drive you out, or kill you. it's called danger.
obviously the people involved here were aware of the risks and sooner or later the best of us get hurt. thats not the point. the point is if you want to have a chance of getting through ten years of urbex without this happening to you, then dont ignore that fear because it will keep your senses sharp and your mind alert to the countless potential pitfalls that will claim a life in a split second of inattention. if you dont think you can handle it go sit in the car, dont front and strut around to impress your buddies because itll impress the piss out of everybody watching you plummett ten floors onto dry concrete cause you looked up and missed the two-by-two hole in the floor where a conveyor used to be. i always get jitters when i infiltrate a building and if the day ever comes that i don't, i'll quit for good...
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WarBird69
Location: Eastern TN
Gender: Male
Atomic Bird of War
| | Re: Wood flooring and a sobering experience
<Reply # 27 on 1/19/2010 4:32 AM >
| | | | Posted by steponmebbbboom
i think one of the reasons we are so attracted to urban ruins is because we actually realise the human race does not have dominion over the universe and that someday our civilisation will fall as countless others have throughout history... and in exploring urban ruins we are actually getting a glimpse into our own future; our death. we are isolating ourselves in a world where there is no one to cater to our comforts or hear our screams or rush to our aid when we tumble through a rotten catwalk. there is a certain thrill in walking through an abandoned space that taps into that same primordial fear that grips us when discovering human bones, and that fear was programmed into us for a reason. you are supposed to get scared when you come across a place where people used to be, but aren't anymore. there was something that drove them out. and it will either drive you out, or kill you. it's called danger.
obviously the people involved here were aware of the risks and sooner or later the best of us get hurt. thats not the point. the point is if you want to have a chance of getting through ten years of urbex without this happening to you, then dont ignore that fear because it will keep your senses sharp and your mind alert to the countless potential pitfalls that will claim a life in a split second of inattention. if you dont think you can handle it go sit in the car, dont front and strut around to impress your buddies because itll impress the piss out of everybody watching you plummett ten floors onto dry concrete cause you looked up and missed the two-by-two hole in the floor where a conveyor used to be. i always get jitters when i infiltrate a building and if the day ever comes that i don't, i'll quit for good...
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Well put.
When twilight draws near, when you are pushed to the very limits of your soul, when it seems that all you have left are the dead remnants of the fabric of your life:
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DJ Craig
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Location: Johnson City, TN
Gender: Male
Break the Silence
| | | | Re: Wood flooring and a sobering experience
<Reply # 28 on 1/19/2010 5:25 AM >
| | | | I think MusketBoy was mostly joking about suing, and I was only discussing that hypothetically; I would never want to do that, for all of the reasons that Samurai brought up.
StepOnMe, what you wrote was amazing. I agree completely with all of it.
EDIT: Also, I just wanted to add that MAMU was completely amazing in spite of this incident, which happened right before we were getting ready to leave and go home on Sunday afternoon anyway.
[last edit 1/19/2010 5:27 AM by DJ Craig - edited 1 times]
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Samurai
 
Vehicular Lord Rick
Location: northeastern New York
No matter where you go, there you are...
| | Re: Wood flooring and a sobering experience
<Reply # 29 on 1/19/2010 1:07 PM >
| | | | i am glad to see that intelligence and reason are alive and well here on UER. Also, I am glad that despite your mishap, G'Diva, that you had a wonderful time and it didn't sour you on the hobby.
It's threads like this that make my day and I am very grateful that you folks display an intelligence and common sense that the rest of the herd out there has seemed to have misplaced.
Again, a speedy recovery to you, G'Diva.
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musket boy
Location: Maui
Gender: Male
It smells like your grandpa and your feet stick to the floor
| | | | Re: Wood flooring and a sobering experience
<Reply # 30 on 1/20/2010 6:47 AM >
| | | | Posted by bouncewiggle
i'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic about suing...
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nope, i would call a lawyer, if it was me.
edit: but i would try really hard not to get hurt in the first place
hope u get well soon
[last edit 1/20/2010 6:48 AM by musket boy - edited 1 times]
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Gringo Loco
Location: Kansas City, MO
Gender: Male
| |  | | | Re: Wood flooring and a sobering experience
<Reply # 31 on 1/20/2010 10:29 AM >
| | | | Posted by gretschdivaSo, moral of the story: you never know when something is going to collapse under you so take proper precautions lest ye fall, enjoy the brief ecstasy of adrenaline if you do fall, and by all means let DJ Craig go first
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Secondary moral: The best healthcare reform plan that Obama can support, make everyone work at a hospital.
"TubGirl is hot."
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Avius
Location: Washington DC / NOVA
Gender: Male
Wow you guys!
| | | Re: Wood flooring and a sobering experience
<Reply # 32 on 1/20/2010 2:18 PM >
| | | | Posted by musket boy
nope, i would call a lawyer, if it was me.
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I'm going to try real hard not to get snarky here, but people like you are the reason behind the needless destruction of thousands of historic structures every year due to the liability fears of property owners. Not to mention increased security and more aggressive prosecution all around.
Grow up, grow some balls, and take responsibility for the risks you take. Don't mess it up for everybody else.
In places forgotten, tread where you will. -=- http://www.flickr.com/photos/avius/ |
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metawaffle
King of Puns
Location: Brisbane!
Gender: Male
Purveyor of Fine Lampshades
| | | Re: Wood flooring and a sobering experience
<Reply # 33 on 1/20/2010 2:23 PM >
| | | | Stop feeding the troll before he starts talking about hydration levels again.
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Avius
Location: Washington DC / NOVA
Gender: Male
Wow you guys!
| | | Re: Wood flooring and a sobering experience
<Reply # 34 on 1/20/2010 2:28 PM >
| | | | Posted by metawaffle
Stop feeding the troll before he starts talking about hydration levels again.
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My bad... it's early, and I'm feeling cranky. musket boy, we're still cool.
In places forgotten, tread where you will. -=- http://www.flickr.com/photos/avius/ |
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bouncewiggle
Location: Johnson City, TN
Gender: Female
| | | | Re: Wood flooring and a sobering experience
<Reply # 35 on 1/20/2010 2:28 PM >
| | | | Posted by musket boy
nope, i would call a lawyer, if it was me.
edit: but i would try really hard not to get hurt in the first place
hope u get well soon
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i'm really glad you weren't with us then.
also, you probably shouldn't be exploring or doing anything else that involves a risk of injury.
edit: sorry for feeding the troll.  same excuse as Avius. it'd be swell if this didn't turn progress into flaming so i'll stop being an ass.
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desmet
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
| | | | Re: Wood flooring and a sobering experience
<Reply # 36 on 1/20/2010 2:47 PM >
| | | | Fuckin crazy. It could happen to any of us at any time.
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Drooldog
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 37 on 1/20/2010 6:35 PM >
| | | | You had to be in one of the blending houses which are all in various stages of begin demolished. Honestly, I avoid going into those buildings when I noticed that one of them was held up by 2x4's nailed together in a beam fashion.
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gretschdiva
Location: Johnson City, Tennessee
Gender: Female
I'm just a chick, playing a chick, disguised as another chick
| | | Re: Wood flooring and a sobering experience
<Reply # 38 on 1/20/2010 8:22 PM >
| | | | It's pretty hard not to get hurt when one moment you're walking on apparently 100% stable wood flooring and the next you're lying on a hard concrete floor in pain. It happened so quickly. There was literally no warning whatsoever.
The point that DJCraig and I are attempting to make is don't take for granted that flooring is going to be safe because it appears to be so. Unless you are certain there is steel or some other reinforcement that is slow to deteriorate, don't chance walking over any wood floor in a casual fashion. Besides, it makes it so much more fun to scale handrails and such.
I'm not trying to start anything, but I really want the legal aspect of this discussion to end now. I will never, ever sue if I ever get injured exploring. If I were to bring any attention to the owners of the location we were at that I was injured on their property, then guess what? All of us would be short one hell of a wicked awesome location, because they would make the demo happen ASAP. My injuries seriously are not big enough of a deal to cause the publicization of our hobby (imagine if CNN got ahold of urban exploration) and the rapid destruction of the beautiful places we love so much. The less attention we bring to the fact that we risk being injured or are injured in abandonments, the better.
It's a risk I'm willing to take, and it's a risk that I take every time I go into an abandonment. That's all part of the excitement.
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musket boy
Location: Maui
Gender: Male
It smells like your grandpa and your feet stick to the floor
| | | | Re: Wood flooring and a sobering experience
<Reply # 39 on 1/20/2010 8:26 PM >
| | | | Posted by metawaffle
Stop feeding the troll before he starts talking about hydration levels again.
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i sued the owner of a place once because i got dehydrated there
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