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 DarkAngel
  
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< on 3/27/2009 9:50 AM >
|  | | | Hey guys, I figured that a noobie thread on assorted injuries might be useful to prospective explorers. Mind you that reading this is no excuse for medical training and that if you are injured you should seek medical attention. I know more advance medicine, but due to liability reasons i will not under any circumstances give treatment guidelines. See disclosure below.
*The author assumes no responsibility on how this knowledge is used, nor its effects if used. The readers are advised to seek trained medical attention if injured. The author is free of any and all liability from the use/misuse of said article.*
Legal jargon aside, I thought I'd throw together a basic first aid thread along with a list of general first aid items that could be useful if someone were to be injured.
The List: (not a complete list so feel free to add)
Band aids
Alcohol wipes
superglue
sterile latex/poly gloves
gauze in assorted sizes
Kerlex
Medical tape
Neosporin/antibiotic
Moleskin
Treatment:
Cuts: Clean with alcohol and place antibiotic ointment on wound and top with bandaid. Should you be in a situation where the bandaid will be exposed to rough treatment, cover the gauze portion with moleskin.
If in a situation with lots of water after cleaning with alcohol place a thin line of superglue onto the cut. (note: as soon as you are available remove the superglue and treat as a regular cut. Alternative treatment: Use above instructions and change when it gets wet.)
Scrapes: Same as above
Severe Cuts: Place gauze on wound and apply constant pressure. Change gauze when necessary. Seek Immediate medical attention.
Broken Bones: DO NOT ATTEMPT TO SET! YOU WILL CAUSE MORE DAMAGE THEN GOOD AND POSSIBLY CRIPPLE SOMEONE FOR LIFE. IMMEDIATELY SEEK MEDICAL ATTENTION/EMT SERVICE
If anyone has any other *minor* medical questions feel free to post em here and ill see what i can do. Once again, please read the above disclosure as i do not in any way assume liability from this post and following said directions is legally implied consent to follow the rules of the disclosure.
Mods: If this is breaking any forum policy, please remove this post.
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Torque
Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 1 on 3/27/2009 11:41 AM >
| | | | You really recommend polysporin? My paramedic friend swears it's useless stuff, because it keeps the wound moist and slows clotting, scabbing and therefore natural healing. Of course the antibiotic portion is good, but the alcohol you mentioned to clean it first should deal with that, unless you plan to keep getting it dirty of course (then you could change your dressing later too).
Just throwing it out there for your consideration.
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WarBird69
     
Location: Eastern TN
Gender: Male
Atomic Bird of War
| | Re: UE Medicine
<Reply # 2 on 3/27/2009 12:30 PM >
| | | | Putting superglue in a cut isn't a great idea at all. Apply direct pressure with sterile gauze, adding more gauze if blood soaks through. Cover with a rag and tie the gauze/blood mixture down. Don't change your dressing until you get to a hospital. Because if you are bleeding THAT much, that is where you should be going. If direct pressure doesn't seem to be working (aka- you've severed a major vein or artery) and you fear your life may be on the line, consider a tournaque.. but remember, chances are if you use a tournaque you are gonna lose that limb. Tournaque = life or limb.
Ahhhh yay for several years of Boy Scouts and combat field medicial training!
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Lucifer
Location: Hamilton Ontario
| | Re: UE Medicine
<Reply # 3 on 3/27/2009 1:12 PM >
| | | | My first aid kit is a little green pocket pipe. And a best friend that has a first aid kit.
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Trap
Location: Dayton, Ohio
Gender: Male
Son, I am disappoint
| | Re: UE Medicine
<Reply # 4 on 3/27/2009 1:49 PM >
| | | | Posted by WarBird69
Putting superglue in a cut isn't a great idea at all. Apply direct pressure with sterile gauze, adding more gauze if blood soaks through. Cover with a rag and tie the gauze/blood mixture down. Don't change your dressing until you get to a hospital. Because if you are bleeding THAT much, that is where you should be going. If direct pressure doesn't seem to be working (aka- you've severed a major vein or artery) and you fear your life may be on the line, consider a tournaque.. but remember, chances are if you use a tournaque you are gonna lose that limb. Tournaque = life or limb.
Ahhhh yay for several years of Boy Scouts and combat field medicial training!
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I dunno, if you go to the hospital and need stitches half the time they just superglue it closed. I've been self-treating w/ super glue for ages. But thats from many years of redneckedness
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Lucifer
Location: Hamilton Ontario
| | Re: UE Medicine
<Reply # 5 on 3/27/2009 2:33 PM >
| | | | Liquid bandaid not do the exact same job?
Correct me if I'm wrong here.
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Opheliaism
  
Moderator
Location: Out on the border of everything and nothing, TN
Ophie
| |  | Re: UE Medicine
<Reply # 6 on 3/27/2009 2:47 PM >
| | | | There is actually a surgical grade skin "glue" called Dermabond and it is quite similar in composition as super glue, just not as stringent. But I have only seen it used in surgery and not available commercially. Liquid Bandaid is commercially sold as an antiseptic rinse.
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fivepointsix
Location: Sudbury
Gender: Male
| | Re: UE Medicine
<Reply # 7 on 3/27/2009 2:48 PM >
| | | | Posted by Opheliaism
There is actually a surgical grade skin "glue" called Dermabond and it is quite similar in composition as super glue, just not as stringent. But I have only seen it used in surgery and not available commercially. Liquid Bandaid is commercially sold as an antiseptic rinse.
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isn't that "skin glue" available in pharmacies now?
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Lucifer
Location: Hamilton Ontario
| | Re: UE Medicine
<Reply # 8 on 3/27/2009 3:10 PM >
| | | | Yea I've seen a liquid bandaid thats not just a rinse!
Its dermabond essentially now that I've looked that up. Superglue kind of burns on contact I would not want to imagine it on a cut!
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TurboZutek
King Dick
Location: Scotland
Gender: Male
Giant octo-penised rapephant
| |  |  | Re: UE Medicine
<Reply # 9 on 3/27/2009 3:58 PM >
| | | | The use of cyanoacrylate glues in medicine was considered fairly early on. Eastman Kodak and Ethicon began studying whether the glues could be used to hold human tissue together for surgery. In 1964 Eastman submitted an application to use cyanoacrylate glues to seal wounds to the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Soon afterward Dr. Coover's glue did find use in Vietnam--reportedly in 1966 cyanoacrylates were tested on-site by a specially trained surgical team, with impressive results. According to an interview with Dr. Coover by the Kingsport Times-News:
Coover said the compound demonstrated an excellent capacity to stop bleeding, and during the Vietnam War, he developed disposal cyanoacrylate sprays for use in the battle field.
"If somebody had a chest wound or open wound that was bleeding, the biggest problem they had was stopping the bleeding so they could get the patient back to the hospital. And the consequence was--many of them bled to death. So the medics used the spray, stopped the bleeding, and were able to get the wounded back to the base hospital. And many, many lives were saved," Coover said.
"This was very powerful. That's something I'm very proud of--the number of lives that were saved," he said.
Ironically, the Food & Drug Administration hadn't given approval for the medical use of the compound at that point. But the military used the substance, anyway
'Super Glue' has been used as a gash seal and repair method since forever. On a personal note, I've used it a few times to fix up UE injuries, with great success.
Chris...
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JBuss
Location: China Lake
Gender: Male
Rolling out the .50 cal just for Elf-boy
| | Re: UE Medicine
<Reply # 10 on 3/27/2009 7:27 PM >
| | | | <----- EMT, And I carry a Tramua bag in the truck with me. If any of you splorin with me gets rebar through the leg or anything like that I have your back 
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DarkAngel
Gender: Male
His operating system is unstable.
| | Re: UE Medicine
<Reply # 11 on 3/27/2009 11:01 PM >
| | | | Posted by Opheliaism
There is actually a surgical grade skin "glue" called Dermabond and it is quite similar in composition as super glue, just not as stringent. But I have only seen it used in surgery and not available commercially. Liquid Bandaid is commercially sold as an antiseptic rinse.
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I actually have a ampule of dermabond. Thats in my "holy freaking shit" bag though. Its good stuff, but it will really stick yourself to yourself if you screw up.
In regards to polysporin... I just sat down and though about that. Granted it may not be the best thing to put on a wound it does ad that extra layer to keep things from getting into it.
The superglue i was recommending for the same cuts as the bandaid and whatnot. If you actually need to apply gauze and pressure get out and go to the doc.
Edit: I actually didnt know we had emt's on the forum. If you guys are willing to help write a new thread and kill this one, im game
[last edit 3/27/2009 11:02 PM by DarkAngel - edited 1 times]
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Crumpet
Location: Brisbane, AUS
Gender: Male
You know you're in Brisbane when...
| | | Re: UE Medicine
<Reply # 12 on 3/27/2009 11:43 PM >
| | | | If you folks are so inclined, perhaps you'd like to edit the "First Aid Kit" UE encyclopedia article? I created it quite a while back with some very basic stuff that I'd recommend.
I carry a much more advanced kit (for UE) that I put together myself (I don't personally carry glue, though), but I don't feel quite "qualified" to start making those kinds of recommendations. So if you'd like to add your suggestions for a much heavier UE medkit on there, please do!
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DevilC
Location: Washington, District of Corruption
Gender: Male
I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their views.
| | | Re: UE Medicine
<Reply # 13 on 3/28/2009 12:29 AM >
| | | | Condoms.
Always bring condoms.
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yokes
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
| | | | Re: UE Medicine
<Reply # 14 on 3/28/2009 1:13 AM >
| | | | My "oh shit" bag has the same item as my regular bag: toilet paper.
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Lucifer
Location: Hamilton Ontario
| | Re: UE Medicine
<Reply # 15 on 3/28/2009 1:49 AM >
| | | | Seriously condoms.
You NEVER know and not just for sex either. When you have to wade through crap and you don't know whats in it wrap your man up and double wrap with a ring! Seriously the LAST thing you want is something going up there.
From Personal experience. Bad place to get a spider bite, it happened to my son.
There is also a kind of parasite in Africa that crawls up the urethra and hooks itself inside to lay eggs. Who knows what could be in the water you are walking through? You can NEVER be too careful.
My UE bag contains basic medical stuff, first aid kid from the dollar store, no doubt. But I always have my handy multi tool, combo led flashlight, screwdriver, knife, saw, scissors etc and this thing only cost me 14$ it's my backup light and my tool kit.
I like first aid spray personally, and don't overlook bringing a few bottles of clean water!
Sometimes you get into a situation where you've rashed out on cement or concrete and there are bits of debris in the skin that should be rinsed out. You don't want to use Dr. Pepper for this, bring water.
True story that happened to me, I was rollerblading down a hill and got to the bottom only to meet a car pulling into the intersection. Because I was ftm trans I bound my breasts with tenser bandages, so after the hard baseball slide on the poorly maintained side street, avoiding collision with the Buick, I got up and a nearby cyclist washed my wounds out with his water bottle, I removed my bindings and wrapped my wounds then went off to have coffee with a really cute cyclist who just sprayed my whole backside with his water bottle!
I was missing most of the skin on my left leg where I slid on the pavement with it.
Bring water.
Bring Vasoline.
Now my logic behind this one is that Vasoline can get you lubricated real well if say you put your foot through a floor or get your hand stuck somewhere, the vasoline makes it easier to pull stuck things out, So if you get stuck, butter up.
I also use it when I'm dying my hair so I don't get my forehead stained. This stuff is great.
Another MUST HAVE item. Baby Wipes. And they can be the dollar store brand, don't overlook this either, You can't always get to a sink and they are a great substitute for toilet paper especially when you're out in the browns.
You can buy a small package that is tinier than a pocket pack of kleenex that holds 20 wipes at the dollar store. I have these at all times even when I don't have my kids.
Tweezers, because you never know when a sliver could happen, same with a sterile needle, keep your tweezers sterile too. I've gotten so many slivers in old barns it's been unreal but the worst are metal slivers you get in places like junkyards and rusty old industrial complexes. I once had slivers in my hands so bad from an old car that my hands were numb for three days.
Oragel is also great for numbing things. I was told to numb my piercing with oragel before trying to force it back out.
It works, benzoic acid. Teething gel. Especially if you smash your mouth off something ;)
I've done it.
My front teeth are fake.
Lets see what else. A lighter always. Even if you don't smoke. Purel or something along those lines you know? Don't overuse it
Lastly I'm going to stress that you all do something better than having a first aid kit. Get all your shots up to date tetanus and Hep, twinrix is covered by a lot of insurance companies, just vaccinate yourself like you're going to go have a swinging vacation in a third world country and you should be fine. Cholera, get a Cholera shot. That is the WORST thing to have I contracted it when I was 17 in an abandoned and flooded Marina, and later draining in my hometown.
Cholera SUCKS. People used to die from it. But it's treatable. I had to be hospitalized with an IV. So be aware of things that you can contract and avoid them!
Ok enough from me!
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Intrinsic
Location: Collingwood
Gender: Male
| | Re: UE Medicine
<Reply # 16 on 3/28/2009 1:52 AM >
| | | | Posted by Lucifer
Seriously condoms.
Bring Vasoline.
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I always volunteer to bring vasoline and condoms on my outings but for some reason the other UER guys keep cancelling on me without explanation.
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Lucifer
Location: Hamilton Ontario
| | Re: UE Medicine
<Reply # 17 on 3/28/2009 2:51 AM >
| | | | Oh well it's their loss.
They should know you don't use vasoline and condoms together, I would not get my ideas going unless you said you'd bring the astroglide and the condoms.
Astroglide has no place in urban exploring, lets leave it at that.
Unless it's the warming massage one incase you pull a muscle but I'd rather pack Ben Gay ;)
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DarkAngel
Gender: Male
His operating system is unstable.
| | Re: UE Medicine
<Reply # 18 on 3/28/2009 9:23 AM >
| | | | lol that "parasite" is actually a tiny fish called a kadaru (spelling check)
Regardless you have a good point though. I dont even want to think about gettin somethin biting on my meat and 2 veg. Seriously, ow!
Thanks for adding the condoms, vaseline and orajel to the list of things to add.
Anyone want to contribute to the medical wiki or a new thread as a comprehensive medical thing?
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Lucifer
Location: Hamilton Ontario
| | Re: UE Medicine
<Reply # 19 on 3/28/2009 11:00 AM >
| | | | Thank DevilC for the condoms.
And thanks for expanding on that fish thing. I only briefly heard a documentary speaking about it on a program that took place in Africa, I was more cringing at what the thing does to you more so than caring what it's called. African river=condom. They don't just give them out to stop aids in Africa, they're all going on the guys who have to go into the river to make a living I'll assure you of that.
Great input from everyone this is an awesome thread!
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