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 maxx233
Location: Redding, Northern California (CA)
Gender: Male
 |  | Perimeter Security anyone?
< on 2/13/2009 5:53 AM >
|  | | | Hey,
I'm pretty new to this and all.. but was wondering if anyone utilizes any sort of perimeter surveillance to keep from getting caught/arrested? Could be *very* useful, depending on where exactly you're exploring. I was thinking.. there's lots of new tech out there for security/cops to find us... Silent alarms, IR illuminated cameras, etc... there's got to be tech for us to use to keep from getting caught! Not to be paranoid or anything, just cautious ;)
I've used 2lb fishing line before across vehicle entry points or whatnot on places I'm scouting out prior to actually going in if I'm curious about security patrol routes or security presence at all.. So then I got thinking.. What about a transmitter attached to that line that could alert me, not for scouting purposes, but while I'm actually inside exploring. I thought about contracting out my friend the electrical engineer... But google turned up some prefab stuff too that could be easily adapted, and is actually rather gadget-sexy to boot ;) Check out the Dakota 3000 system for driveway security.. Isn't super cheap, but isn't super expensive either. For under $200 it'll get the job done - I figure that's less than the cost of an arrest. I'm thinking the belt clippable portable receiver (WPR3000), and the passive IR sensor (WMT3000) with 80' range shooting across each entry point. A super quick ziptie on the way in could attach the sensor/transmitter someplace hidden, and then if it's tripped the receiver on your belt vibrates and tells you which zone (transmitter) has been tripped.. It also sounds an audible alarm (not good!), but I'm sure that could be disabled either in programming or with a quick wire snip to the speaker ;) And it *claims* a 3000ft range, which if true is pretty stinken useful.
I know it's not a guarantee against getting caught, and if spotted it would probably increase your chance of arrest over slap on the wrist.. But then.. it'd also give you a major heads up over security knowing that they're there (and knowing which direction they are if you have multiple sensors) when they may or may not actually know that you're there.
I'm very highly considering putting this in the budget for next month ;) Has anyone done anything like this before? Or even any other super cheap low tech ideas like my 2lb line?
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Steed
        
Location: Edmonton/Seoul
Gender: Male
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Race Traitor
| |  | Re: Perimeter Security anyone?
<Reply # 1 on 2/13/2009 5:58 AM >
| | | | On the list of stuff I want to avoid while exploring, getting caught is considerably lower than losing expensive gear.
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maxx233
Location: Redding, Northern California (CA)
Gender: Male
| | Re: Perimeter Security anyone?
<Reply # 2 on 2/13/2009 6:11 AM >
| | | | Posted by racetraitor
On the list of stuff I want to avoid while exploring, getting caught is considerably lower than losing expensive gear.
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Very true! I was kinda thinking the only loss would be if you *were* still caught though. And even then it's iffy... Doesn't take much to run back onsite another day and cut a couple zipties then run off. Even if you happen to forget the things somehow before leaving.
Although.. If they're not hidden well at all I suppose they might get hobo-swiped. But even then I think it's spotty.. they look all official-like (crappy ziptie job aside.) If the left hand of security actually communicated with the right hand then there's definite potential of losing them though if they're accidently left behind for a day!
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Intrinsic
Location: Collingwood
Gender: Male
| | Re: Perimeter Security anyone?
<Reply # 3 on 2/13/2009 6:38 AM >
| | | | A much easier and cheaper option.
Requires 2 AA batteries and 2 urban explorers.
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Aleksandar
Location: United States
Gender: Male
your darkest shadow, my oldest friend; the world's become ashes, this is the end.
| | Re: Perimeter Security anyone?
<Reply # 4 on 2/13/2009 9:31 AM >
| | | | Posted by maxx233
was wondering if anyone utilizes any sort of perimeter surveillance to keep from getting caught/arrested? |
Yes and no.
Yes, I will usually check a site out before going inside -- often the day before, at the same time of day or night I plan to make a thorough visit. I'll look for physical security measures -- cameras, guards, etc.
And no, I don't use expensive gear. I've found that many abandoned sites don't have security. Those that do, the security personnel are often unmotivated and uninterested, therefore easy to dodge.
If security does come looking for you, 9/10 times you can just evade.
I know you've thought through this very carefully -- kudos for that. It's usually just not that complicated or risky, though.
If anyone gives you crap over asking this, just ignore -- its a well-intentioned question.
Freedom breeds war; and Peace, slavery. So it shall be forevermore: Men who love freedom buy it with their lives, and lovers of peace with their freedom. |
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Crumpet
Location: Brisbane, AUS
Gender: Male
You know you're in Brisbane when...
| | | Re: Perimeter Security anyone?
<Reply # 5 on 2/13/2009 2:05 PM >
| | | | If it were cheaper (thus losable), then yeah, it would be a good way of getting advance warning of a patrol. Yet even if you're given a heads up, there's no guarantee you'll get out of there without getting caught. This is all assuming you set the tripwire across the right entrance in the first place. For all you know they might be able to gain access via another door or gate, or your device will be discovered ("hey, look at that funny thing across the door/gate/entry..").
If you get caught, you still might get arrested and you've just lost quite a costly piece of equipment.
Much better to just have someone watching and use radios to communicate, and/or don't get seen on the way in. And if you do get caught talk smoothly, be polite, and be honest about your reasons for being there.
- Crumpet (http://www.urbanillusions.org)
[from micro's "drainer rules"] 3rd RULE: If someone says "rain" or "thunderstorm", the draining is over. |
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hydrotherapy
Clever Girl
Location: Circle of Least Confusion
RPS is inside all of us
| | | Re: Perimeter Security anyone?
<Reply # 6 on 2/13/2009 5:22 PM >
| | | | I'm a fan of the good old fashioned "look out windows every once in a while and listen for the crunching of cars rolling by."
Most security patrols aren't run by ninjas, and this seems like overkill to me.
Most of them are run by poorly paid, overweight private security guards who can't touch you anyway, and have no interest in pursuing you across rotting floorboards.
Get down, girl, go 'head, get down. |
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maxx233
Location: Redding, Northern California (CA)
Gender: Male
| | Re: Perimeter Security anyone?
<Reply # 7 on 2/13/2009 6:45 PM >
| | | | Posted by Aleksandar
I know you've thought through this very carefully -- kudos for that. It's usually just not that complicated or risky, though.
If anyone gives you crap over asking this, just ignore -- its a well-intentioned question.
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Thanks for that ;) I figured it was a question worth asking at least, even though I know rentacops aren't ninjas. The general consensus is pretty obvious though, so I'll go with that. At least until I have nothing better to spend my money on! There's always a soft spot in my heart for gadgets.. even the less than completely practical ones ;) I think I was just trying to justify a purchase (*whistles innocently*)
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Rinzler
Location: New Jersey
Nomad
| |  | Re: Perimeter Security anyone?
<Reply # 8 on 2/13/2009 7:23 PM >
| | | | Posted by hydrotherapy
I'm a fan of the good old fashioned "look out windows every once in a while and listen for the crunching of cars rolling by."
Most security patrols aren't run by ninjas, and this seems like overkill to me.
Most of them are run by poorly paid, overweight private security guards who can't touch you anyway, and have no interest in pursuing you across rotting floorboards.
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Yea im a fan of that also. Just look out a window every couple of minutes and be as quiet as you can. If youre quiet and keep peeking out windows, you can hear cars near by. Therefore you can just keep quiet til it passes you. Its pretty easy to hear a car driving through in a quiet area. Security wont even get out of their car most of the time. Just call the cops and yell at you to stop.
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MindHacker
Location: Suburbs of DC
Gender: Male
If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
| | Re: Perimeter Security anyone?
<Reply # 9 on 2/13/2009 9:16 PM >
| | | | Posted by maxx233 I think I was just trying to justify a purchase (*whistles innocently*)
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I have so many useless, yet awesome, toys because of that. Truth be told though, they usually don't come in useful while exploring. The most I've ever done is having a friend as a look out (saved me from getting busted, actually), either by voice or by cellphone. I have contemplated chaining doors shut from the inside... but the problem is there are always more ways in / it only buys you +/- 2 minutes / that's always when the monsters show up.
"That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire |
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IIVQ
 
Location: La Sud-Est du cité majeur du North-Holland (Bijlmer), .NL
Gender: Male
Back in Urbex!
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<Reply # 10 on 2/14/2009 12:20 AM >
|  | | | I have used tape over the entry gate to see if ppl entered a location prior to entering. Apparantly, the place I thought deserted was under 24 hr military guard (old NATO base), they just rolled all the cars inside.
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underdark
Gender: Male
| | Re: Perimeter Security anyone?
<Reply # 11 on 2/14/2009 1:32 AM >
| | | | Posted by maxx233
I think I was just trying to justify a purchase (*whistles innocently*)
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Dude, I have closets full of some of the coolest stuff EVER that I might get to use once a decade from doing that! Get the toy. The look on your friends faces when you say "Wait! I got the perfect thing here..." and pull it out is almost worth the way too much you spend. Extra man-points for gear-paredness!
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systemx29
This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
Location: Long Island/Buffalo
Gender: Male
If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense.
| | | Re: Perimeter Security anyone?
<Reply # 12 on 2/14/2009 4:25 AM >
| | | | you sound paranoid.
"Patient delusional-Is inventing space ships for a scientist." |
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underdark
Gender: Male
| | Re: Perimeter Security anyone?
<Reply # 13 on 2/14/2009 8:36 PM >
| | | | Posted by systemx29
you sound paranoid.
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Who does? Me? Fuck you.
Why do you say that? Probably because your covering for your own issues.
What do YOU know? Who have you been talking to?
WHO FUCKIN SENT YOU!?!?!?!
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Sand
Location: Pac South
Everything interesting is always behind a fence.
| | Re: Perimeter Security anyone?
<Reply # 14 on 2/19/2009 8:24 AM >
| | | | The time spent hooking up the system is lost time as far as getting in unseen. Doodling around with things outside is a good way to get noticed. It also proves that you intended to trespass, instead of "oh, I was just walking through, had my camera, and wanted to take pictures". So I would skip it for most applications - but in backwoods exploring it could be useful if the range was long enough.
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halide
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Location: 28°37'32.46"N 81°15'52.30"W
www.flurbex.com who else?
| |  | | | Re: Perimeter Security anyone?
<Reply # 15 on 2/19/2009 9:11 AM >
| | | | must be solar powered ....or are you only exploring places that happen to have power outlets right at the entrances?
hmmmm
so unnatural to see this thief so far from its home
must we resonate that we drive it out of the loam |
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halide
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Location: 28°37'32.46"N 81°15'52.30"W
www.flurbex.com who else?
| | | | | Re: Perimeter Security anyone?
<Reply # 16 on 2/19/2009 9:12 AM >
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garbage....ive tried many types of walkabout radios. unless youre standing in an empty field and no more than 100ft apart, forget it.
so unnatural to see this thief so far from its home
must we resonate that we drive it out of the loam |
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Kroc
Location: Salisbury, Maryland
Gender: Male
| | Re: Perimeter Security anyone?
<Reply # 17 on 2/19/2009 2:58 PM >
| | | | Posted by halide
must be solar powered ....or are you only exploring places that happen to have power outlets right at the entrances?
hmmmm
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Maybe if you actually took the time to look at the shit he was talking about, you'd notice that the WMT-3000 ir sensor runs off a 9 volt battery.
I think its a pretty awesome idea, maybe not very pratical, but I'd go for it. Just for the fun hi-tech ninja feeling you'd get.
And if you're worried about the time spent hooking it up and you really wanna seriously go for it, get a step post (like for advertising signs or wire fencing)cut it down to about two feet, affix the camera before you go out, and spray the set up with an inconspicuous color. just walk over to some brush or bushes, preferably along the way in, hold the top of the post and step on it and keep walking, two seconds and you're done.
As for building entry points, always place the set up on the inside, people dont tend to pay attention below 2 or three feet, especially directly beside them, unless they know what theyre looking for. and you could always lean something over it like a fallen piece of drywall or wood and scatter some shit around it and just make it look like part of the structure's decay, again, about 60 seconds worth of work.
Pretty awesome idea. Kudos Maxx
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maxx233
Location: Redding, Northern California (CA)
Gender: Male
| | Re: Perimeter Security anyone?
<Reply # 18 on 2/20/2009 1:01 AM >
| | | | Posted by Kroc
I think its a pretty awesome idea, maybe not very pratical, but I'd go for it. Just for the fun hi-tech ninja feeling you'd get.
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lol.. I'm glad someone understands! ;) I realize the practicality of this ranges from "It'll getcha caught" to "effing awesome!" depending on the specific details of the place and environment, and usually it's *not* that practical due to multiple entrances and being spotted during setup. That's when the "fun hi-tech ninja feeling" still comes into play at least though ;D I for one think there's more to the hobby than the actual exploration, it enhances the experience for me if I can scout things out, do some minimal planning, and use something from my lineup of crap ;) But seriously, I can think of at least one place I've been that this would have been really great though: there was only one way in, short of serious hiking - a road going up a hill. If this were hidden at the bottom we could have explored much more without the slightest bit of worry about getting out of there soon. If the receiver buzzes, then off into hiding we'd go. 30 second setup == peace of mind to explore an extra 30 minutes. As it was we'd estimated response time of the cops if they'd been alerted, and took off once our time was up, cause if they did come the only way out was the way they'd be coming in!
Anywho, I'm glad some people like the idea at least. I thought it was cool and was mostly looking for discussion, figured it wasn't for everyone ;)
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IIVQ
Location: La Sud-Est du cité majeur du North-Holland (Bijlmer), .NL
Gender: Male
Back in Urbex!
| | | | | Re: Perimeter Security anyone?
<Reply # 19 on 2/20/2009 4:56 PM >
| | | | Posted by underdark
Dude, I have closets full of some of the coolest stuff EVER that I might get to use once a decade from doing that! Get the toy. The look on your friends faces when you say "Wait! I got the perfect thing here..." and pull it out is almost worth the way too much you spend. Extra man-points for gear-paredness!
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Usually everyone makes fun of me when I open my trunk and they see it's filled to the brim with stuff that might come in handy.
However, at the end of the day, usually at least half the party members had borrowed one of my items.
Posted by MapMan | 18/9/2005 19:25 | Hedy Lamarr made porn?
Posted by turbozutek | 20/9/2005 2:29 | Dude, educate us! |
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