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< on 1/3/2009 6:17 AM >
|  | | | I have noticed that my gear consists of most of the common things that are in any smart U.Eers pack (water bottle, crowbar, flashlight/headlamp that sort of thing) but i have wondered about rope, i mainly do Drains and abandonments and just need to know if there would be any reason to bring rope?i got a 50ft rope a couple days ago and am thinking of adding it to my stuff.
Input? Comments? Suggestions?
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<Reply # 1 on 1/3/2009 6:23 AM >
| | | | Charlie Bronson's always got a rope.
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Pravus
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<Reply # 2 on 1/3/2009 12:07 PM >
| | | | better question is do you know how to tie a rope and what kind of rope do you have? When we go out we normally have 50' of rope either on us or in the car, and we also tend to have an additional 150' in the car.. It's been a while but I think it's 11mm Static Line.. We have ascended and rappelled with it, it's come in handy here and there although I will say many of times it's just dead weight.. It's something that weighs you down but when you /need/ it there's nothing like actually having it on hand.. If you do mostly draining then I personally don't really see the point in rope but I'd recommend a dry rope made for caving, or maybe something like a lifeline for boating as that normally floats..
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dsankt
Location: live and in the fresh
| | | | Re: Yet another equiptment question.
<Reply # 3 on 1/3/2009 12:44 PM >
| | | | I always carry a couple of slings and biners because they pack small and are quite handy if you encounter a sketchy section of ladder or a drop slightly too far. The slings save your back as well on heavy plaques.
25metre & 100metre 9mm static for proper SRT access but 9mm is thin stuff so rope protection is a must. Weight and bulk means full srt kit and rope only comes out to play when it's really needed.
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terapr0
 
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| | | Re: Yet another equiptment question.
<Reply # 4 on 1/3/2009 2:42 PM >
| | | | kind of off-topic...and i guess it depends on the type of exploring you do. But Id really question your need to bring along a crow-bar as part of your "standard equipment"? Its construed as a B&E tool by any law enforcement you'll encounter, and instantly illegitimizes your presence in a building... You know who carries crow bars with them into abandoned buildings? scrappers. vandals. criminals.
just my $0.02
as far as the rope question....never had to use it for exploring. i guess it could be usefull for descending / ascending steep slides in a drain, but as Pravus said - make sure you know & practice the relevant knots before going out. I mean a dirty ass granny knot probably will suffice in an emergency, but all knots arent created equal, and its much easier to recover rope that was affixed with an appropriate knot than it is to struggle with something you threw together on the spot. (again) as stated before by Dsankt & Pravus, you'll likely want to invest in some rope protection after investing in a solid rope. This will help prevent the rope from being cut or damaged by any sharp edge or corner its being pressed against while under load.
hope this helps
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belleZ
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<Reply # 5 on 1/3/2009 6:45 PM >
| | | | Posted by terapr0
kind of off-topic...and i guess it depends on the type of exploring you do. But Id really question your need to bring along a crow-bar as part of your "standard equipment"? Its construed as a B&E tool by any law enforcement you'll encounter, and instantly illegitimizes your presence in a building... You know who carries crow bars with them into abandoned buildings? scrappers. vandals. criminals.
just my $0.02
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my thoughts exactly.
what are you doing with that crowbar, pal?
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Chris Hansen
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<Reply # 6 on 1/3/2009 7:09 PM >
| | | | i would only bring the crowbar for draining as in my area it is a bit hard to lift a 50-100 pound manhole by myself or even with a friend. i would not bring a crowbar to any abandonedment because i do know how bad it would be to get cought with.
now that we have that settled lets get back to the rope question.
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dsankt
Location: live and in the fresh
| | | | Re: Yet another equiptment question.
<Reply # 7 on 1/3/2009 7:48 PM >
| | | | Posted by belleZ
my thoughts exactly.
what are you doing with that crowbar, pal?
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Clearly you've never dealt with a stuck cover buddy.
OP, there is lots of SRT/rope discussion at darkplaces.co.uk , and a big SRT FAQ.
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MindHacker
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<Reply # 8 on 1/5/2009 5:16 PM >
| | | | I always pack a smaller, 30' rope. Probably about 5mil. Not my main climbing gear, but a small one just in case I need it. It has come in useful a few times, but mostly for climbing, not draining. If I have a specific target in mind a larger rope / etriers / such join the list, but that small rope lives in my exploring bag. It's much more compact than 100' of 11mil...
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shuzzi
Location: New Hampshire
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| | | Re: Yet another equiptment question.
<Reply # 9 on 1/5/2009 8:45 PM >
| | | | Posted by terapr0
I mean a dirty ass granny knot probably will suffice in an emergency
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just like to say that, no offense, but i would never ever say that to somebody. in an 'emergency' a dirty ass granny knot will probly have you break you back because it isn't ever meant to hold weight or be generally useful for anything important/used to depend on something valuable. basically, you should know the general knots for climbing like the figure 8 and the bowline. you might not always need them but they are the standard climbing knots and dont take long to tie. the real thing here is to know what you're doing with any kind of rope before you go out and just tie random shit to hold your weight, that is a horrible idea. with a little practice you'll be fine, just know what you're doing. you dont need to get really fancy, just know the basics man.
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dungeon_lord
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<Reply # 10 on 1/5/2009 9:36 PM >
| | | | Besides all these things I always take my gasmask with me, for the case there is some asbestos (or even worse) in the air.
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Mickael
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<Reply # 11 on 1/5/2009 10:41 PM >
| | | | Posted by dungeon_lord
Besides all these things I always take my gasmask with me, for the case there is some asbestos (or even worse) in the air.
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Your typical "gas mask" will not do shit about asbestos
Asbestos isn't a gas... So unless you have a P100 cartridge on top of your gas cartridge, you're just making it harder for you to breath.
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Allva
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| | | Re: Yet another equiptment question.
<Reply # 12 on 1/6/2009 7:05 AM >
| | | | I'd get rid of the crowbar. If you get stopped and searched, crowbar is not a very cool item to have.
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Steed
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| | | Re: Yet another equiptment question.
<Reply # 13 on 1/6/2009 7:46 AM >
| | | | Posted by Allva
I'd get rid of the crowbar. If you get stopped and searched, crowbar is not a very cool item to have.
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It's alright. It's been addressed.
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\/adder
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| | | Re: Yet another equiptment question.
<Reply # 14 on 1/6/2009 8:07 AM >
| | | | I have 41' of 11mm Static Line purchased from EMS.
Likewise useful in case your house is on fire; and you have to make a quick exit via a second floor window. Climbing Rope stays in my room when I don't need it. I took the time to manufacture a homemade grappling hook; but haven't found a real use for it yet. (Aside from a couple trees.)
Complimenting the professional climbing rope I have 50' of "Water Ski Rope" I picked up at Wal-Mart on sale for $11.
It's meant to tow up to a 250LB water skier or inner tuber from behind a speedboat; I figure it can hold one 120LB explorer. It's "Dynamic" meaning it stretches.
The Water Ski Rope stays with my Exploring Pack in my car. It's less suspicious, as it looks like similar in color to vehicle tow rope. Though is substantially thinner.
Also in the pack:
Gloves, Flashlights, First Aid, Spare Clothes, Steel Toe Boots, Respirator and Spare Respirator.
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MindHacker
Location: Suburbs of DC
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| | Re: Yet another equiptment question.
<Reply # 15 on 1/6/2009 4:40 PM >
| | | | Posted by TheVicariousVadder
Complimenting the professional climbing rope I have 50' of "Water Ski Rope" I picked up at Wal-Mart on sale for $11.
It's meant to tow up to a 250LB water skier or inner tuber from behind a speedboat; I figure it can hold one 120LB explorer. It's "Dynamic" meaning it stretches.
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As long as you don't fall on it you should be fine. Climbing rope is 2100lbs test I think, its at the point where your body will break from the shock of the fall before the rope will. I wouldn't trust ski rope that much, although there are plenty of stupid things I would do with it.
And slightly on topic, hardware store "working load" ratings tend to be 1/3rd their breaking strength. In case you need any really cheap carabiners, pulleys, etc.
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Pravus
Location: Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
| | | | Re: Yet another equiptment question.
<Reply # 16 on 1/7/2009 4:50 AM >
| | | | With things like rope or climbing equipment I wouldn't try to cut corners.. I'd recommend getting something around 10mm or 11mm and if you don't really know what your doing you may as well go for dynamic rope. Some ropes are better suited for certain uses and environments, find out what type of environments you would want to bring it in then choose the rope that's best for it.. For instance if you plan on using your rope in alot of drains a caving dry rope would likely be best, slightly more costly but less chance of rotting the rope out there fore it's safer and will last longer with minimal care..
you NEED to learn at /least/ a Figure 8 knot to where you could easily tie one without effort. Know the inside and how on your equipment and how it works as well as how to care for it properly, especially rope as damaged rope can be a massive hazard.. Also I wouldn't really mess around with ropes until you feel very comphy with using/climbing/descending it, practice in a controlled environment somewhere that you can minimize the risks.. Normally me and a few friends go out to the forest in the spring and mess around with out climbing gear fairly often, makes sure we haven't forgotten anything and it helps us check over our gear for defects or damage/wear.. also keep in mind that some equipment when used improperly will drastically damage your rope and run a higher risk of breaking from strain, the ascenders we tend to use rip apart and chew the rope up when the climber doesn't make sure it's seated right on the rope before putting weight on it, due to random people using our gear and not bothering to learn there are a few spots on the rope that are very damaged now.. Just something to keep in mind..
At one point I made a thread on rope climbing and some of the equipment I use, if you want I could dig out a link to that to read over..
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Chris Hansen
I'm Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC. Why dont you have a seat over there?
| | | | Re: Yet another equiptment question.
<Reply # 17 on 1/8/2009 2:50 AM >
| | | | Posted by Pravus
At one point I made a thread on rope climbing and some of the equipment I use, if you want I could dig out a link to that to read over..
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Dont worry i can find that myself. thank you for the help and advice
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Assistance
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<Reply # 18 on 1/8/2009 3:40 AM >
| | | | You forgot about your secondary and tertiary flashlights for when you're draining. You don't want to be stuck underground with no light.
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Chris Hansen
I'm Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC. Why dont you have a seat over there?
| | | | Re: Yet another equiptment question.
<Reply # 19 on 1/8/2009 10:41 PM >
| | | | Posted by Assistance
You forgot about your secondary and tertiary flashlights for when you're draining. You don't want to be stuck underground with no light.
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True. thank you for the comment!
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