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< on 12/16/2008 2:03 AM >
|  | | | Hello everyone,
I wasn't able to find a movie-specific forum, so I figured this forum was appropriate enough. I've made some short films that involve UE and would appreciate any thoughts/comments/critiques on the works.
The first - and most UE-related - is called Exploring Spaces: A Documentary Moment
http://www.grpatten.com/DocMom.html
space explored: abandoned Inglis Factory in Liberty Village, Toronto
http://en.wikipedi...ki/Liberty_Village
Two versions of the project are available for viewing at the above link - a long cut, and a short cut. The movie isn't just about UE, but rather using it as a jumping off point to explore some other ideas relating to documentary authenticity and the like.
Technical info: both DVCPro 50 camera and Canon XL1
The second is called The Degrees of Difference
http://www.grpatten.com/Degrees.html
spaces explored: abandoned Symes Transfer Station, Don Valley Brickworks, Inglis Plant in Toronto
Technical information viewable here: http://www.imdb.co...t1291633/technical
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The spaces aren't necessarily that new/fascinating to people especially familiar with the Toronto scene, but the spaces are utilized as an inspiration and a context for conveying certain ideas... bear that in mind. You'll just need Quicktime installed to view the movies. Thanks in advance.
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| |  | Re: UE-Related Short Movies
<Reply # 1 on 12/18/2008 4:32 PM >
| | | | okay, so to let you know i'm not being an uninformed bastard in my critique here, I have a BFA in Video and am currently enrolled in a graduate program for electronic integrated art. My background is mainly in video art, but I have a lot of experience with production crews shooting short films and was a project manager for an editing company prior to attending grad school. So here is some insider feedback.
The first and foremost pet peeve is that you need to be media specific. Not because film is better than video or vice versa, but production methods matter. The cameras you used were video. In this case, I wouldn't term your work as a "film" since there was no film shot, rather call it a movie. There are industry professionals out there who are very picky about terminology because there are formal differences that are very important.
I would say that the work seems very process oriented, that you are attempting to create systems of both performance and cinematics. The notion of this system is very interesting, but I think the execution needs some work. The sound is distracting to the experience in both works, and hearing the tape rolling in the camera body is always a no-no for me. Simian, who frequents these boards is a professional television post-production sound guy and PM him if you want specifics.
There's also a sense that you want to grab the viewer with flashy shots, but some of them seem out of place. There needs to be movements that link the edits together. If you are having a moving or running shot, where are you trying to take the viewer? Also, with montage its important to create a sense of dialogue with no spoken language. Even in documentary, all of the moving images when put into a sequence work like text. If you were to write out each image as a text document, what are you saying?
Your shots are generally good, most of the work really is all post production. I would say cut out all the zooming and panning unless it means something. The mixing of aspect ratios in the 2nd video seemed a bit unnatural as well.
If you're interested, here are some people to research:
Andrei Tarkovsky: The master russian filmmaker, his best work is called "Stalker". Practically a UE film, he was known for holding the shot longer than he would have, which lets the viewer explore what is in the frame.
Doug Aitken: A very good art filmmaker, but has a great book on expanded cinema called "Broken Screen"
Sergei Eisenstein: Yeah, he's old school but he's the first to play with montage and has some interesting ideas about cinema as language and system.
I hope this helps, i'm not criticizing to turn you off to your work, but to elevate it. Keep it up!
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| |  | | Re: UE-Related Short Movies
<Reply # 2 on 12/21/2008 3:13 AM >
| | | | Well, first off, let me give you a little background. I've never really done any motion picture film work, but have done still photography and some visual design.
My opinion on these projects is that they convey an interesting sort of combination between what would seem like everyday life, and a scene in which normal everyday life has since departed. In a way, it reminds me of the photographic work of Tana Hoban, whose childrens' books highlighted various simple objects, colors, numbers, and other fundamentals of life and communication by framing them in street scenes. In fact, Exploring Spaces pretty much seems like what you'd get if Tana Hoban sent you on a scavenger hunt. I really enjoyed that sort of presentation.
I don't really have much criticism of the video production, as that really isn't something I've got any experience in.
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