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UER Forum > Archived UE Main > A message for explorers from the Asbestos cancer center. (Viewed 1783 times)
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Re: A message for explorers from the Asbestos cancer center.
<Reply # 20 on 12/17/2008 5:30 PM >
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I use a respirator occasionally but most of the people i explore with refuse to even though they are aware of the danger. I still don't understand though. how much exposure will it take to get meso.?

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Re: A message for explorers from the Asbestos cancer center.
<Reply # 21 on 12/17/2008 11:27 PM >
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Posted by Zaky_Savage
I use a respirator occasionally but most of the people i explore with refuse to even though they are aware of the danger. I still don't understand though. how much exposure will it take to get meso.?


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Re: A message for explorers from the Asbestos cancer center.
<Reply # 22 on 12/18/2008 1:04 AM >
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I'm skrewed, I've done some things that I can look back on now and say, wow that was pretty stupid.
But to make a long story short I had a very extensive exposure to asbestos. I mean covered head to toe for weeks, every day.
Since, I have have done my reasearch.
Asbestos comes in many flavors, blue,yellow,white,and a whole bunch of other names, about twenty.
The diseases it causes are many. Meso can attack the outer lining of the heart, lungs and stomach. There is also just plane lung cancer and asbestoses.
Asbestos will also cause scar tissue build up in the lungs, until there is nothing but scar tissue, and no lungs left. Or if you are lucky you will slowly experience internal bleeding from every organ in your body until you die, when this happens there will be extreme yellowing of the eyes. assuming that your lungs are not the first thing to fill up with fluid.
My breathing really went down hill this summer. I was worried i was dieing or something. So i quit smoking after 15 years of delicious tobacco usage, and had my lungs X-rayed about two months ago. And after about the most extreme exposure to asbestos I can imagine the doc said I am very healthy and my lungs and heart are doing fine, they even had lung X-rays to compare to from my accident two years earlier. When i mentioned Asbestos to the doc, he laughed and said that won't kill you for at least 20 years. And here i am planning what to write on my tombstone.
My lungs still hurt all the time, and they told me that I have acquired asthma. It still feels like I smoke a pack a day, but it's been over six months since I've had a smoke.
But all in all I feel pretty good about life. I hope i can ease at least one persons about being exposed to asbestos.
Some flavorous are worse than others, and some people are healthier that others. If you suck up a bunch of asbestos you will probably be fine, If you work in it day in and day out, you will probably die from it in 20-60 years.


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Re: A message for explorers from the Asbestos cancer center.
<Reply # 23 on 12/18/2008 2:28 AM >
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what flavour do you have?


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Re: A message for explorers from the Asbestos cancer center.
<Reply # 24 on 4/20/2009 6:00 PM >
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Always use protection when UE'ing...


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Re: A message for explorers from the Asbestos cancer center.
<Reply # 25 on 4/20/2009 6:22 PM >
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Posted by D'void
Always use protection when UE'ing...
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Those aren't P100 Filters.

Wasn't there another thread that talks about the different types of asbestos and the dangers of each?

here:
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Re: A message for explorers from the Asbestos cancer center.
<Reply # 26 on 4/20/2009 6:35 PM >
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Posted by TheVicariousVadder

Those aren't P100 Filters.

Wasn't there another thread that talks about the different types of asbestos and the dangers of each?

here:
A Must Read


They are, I replaced them with the ones that are labeled for Asbestos. Also good for spray paint

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Re: A message for explorers from the Asbestos cancer center.
<Reply # 27 on 4/20/2009 8:31 PM >
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Definitely good infomation. That was very nice of them to send it along.


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Re: A message for explorers from the Asbestos cancer center.
<Reply # 28 on 4/20/2009 9:07 PM >
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I always used to be very wary of Asbestos in Australia, as along with Africa, it used to be the main producer of Crocidolite, aka Blue Asbestos, which is known to be the most harmful.

In the proceeds of reading about Australian asbestos, it seemed that there is so much of the stff in the atmosphere ('environmental asbestos') of major cities like Sydney and Melbourne, that going into a few abandoned buildings didnt seem like it would make much difference.

Likewise, Mesotheliomas and Asbestosis seem more common in the elderly, usually men who worked unprotected with it every day for years, back when it was a common construction material. Then others, it doesnt bother at all. My grandfather was found to have thousands of fibres in his lungs at the age of 65, having worked as a plumber back in the 40's/50's. They didnt kill him, in fact, knowing about their presence made him quit smoking lol.

I dont doubt that asbestos kills, but i think being fearful of it in terms of exploring abandoned structures, is akin to being afraid of a hit and run accident coming your way. If you smoke while exploring, thats what'll kill ya over asbestos exposure. if you see warning signs, heed them, dont touch the stuff and more so dont go out of your way to stir up dust.

Meantime, dont go here: http://en.wikipedi..._Western_Australia Australias Asbestos answer to Chernobyl.

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Re: A message for explorers from the Asbestos cancer center.
<Reply # 29 on 4/20/2009 9:46 PM >
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Posted by junkyard
I don't give a rat's ass about something I can't spell. It has been used for years and like PCB's has yet to kill me. And I ate my share of fish out of Lake Michigan growing up. Nobody lives forever and I sure as hell don't want to live that long. It's all just scare tactics.


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Are you serious?!? My dad is a physician and has had quite a few patients die from mesothelioma caused by asbestos just in the last few years. It's not a nice death; it's slow and painful. Once you're diagnosed you have a very low chance of surviving. If you personally are ok with accepting the risks and not using a respirator, then go for it, but don't go making accusations like that against the people who are trying to help us and protect us. I'm not trying to make any kind of legal statement here; yes, we live in a sue-happy world, and I'm not saying that it should be ok for the families of people who have died from mesothelioma to be able to sue for millions. But the doctors (as opposed to the lawyers) are NOT out to scare people and restrict us. They're here to help. And the solution is simple: use a damn respirator.

This thread or a similar one should be put in that section that sticks to the top of the UE Main category.
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Re: A message for explorers from the Asbestos cancer center.
<Reply # 30 on 4/22/2009 11:34 PM >
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Posted by SirJinx
I'm not saying asbestos aren't evil. I'm not saying they don't cause cancer. But what I do know about asbestos is that it's like any other dangerous carcinogen - it seems to only affect you after repeat exposure.


Not quite true - statistically, yes, it goes up after repeated exposure. But the point is, you can get it any time - it's just more likely that the more you explore, the more chances you have of breathing it in.

It only takes inhaling in one fiber to cause mesothelioma. It is not caused by a buildup of anything in your lungs. So, in reality, it probably would take most explorers a long time to actually get sick from exploring. But, in the world of hard knocks, some people who use masks may get sick and some who never do and explore 24-7 may be just fine. It all depends on the locations, really, more than frequency of exploring.

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Re: A message for explorers from the Asbestos cancer center.
<Reply # 31 on 4/23/2009 9:06 PM >
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It's true about one fibre in the wrong place @the wrong time,and so is all the other anecdotal stuff. W/almost 30 yrs in construction,over 20 as a plumber and heat tech, I just avoid it if possible,and if not possible, I soak the snot out of it with a spray gun or tank depending on the size of things that need disturbing...and try to keep track of where all the smeg is landing,and I do strip and single wash my clothes if I feel I exposed myself,but that is very rare.
I've been on dozens of jobs where asbestos and lead abatement are being "performed". A few years ago we got curious as to what those rapscallions actually did in there. On different jobs we saw all personnel w/their masks missing,and their tyvek suits tied with sleeves around their waists,mostly horsing around,doing fuckall concerning abatement. It really is a scam. ( we just made a slit in the plastic,then taped it up ) It seems to me that it all comes down to if it's friable,and if it is,what is any of you doing in exploring to disturb it? And why? As part of my work I have to get all description of awkward
equipment through these catwalks,crawlspaces & tunnels,demo,core hole,install,clean up,and usually my main concern is concrete dust and the other piles of legacy dust,not asbestos specifically,and I mask-up for this. Masks can be handy if you're familiar w/their use,but apart from really special situations,I don't see it as any type of necessity. If you find yourself stripping pipe joints for positioning cables or ropes,by all means,but you'll be good to include some quart spray bottles of H20 to keep from disturbing things at all. ...isn't fibreglass insulation a known carcinogen as well? if it's not air,you probably shouldn't be huffin' it...

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Re: A message for explorers from the Asbestos cancer center.
<Reply # 32 on 4/24/2009 12:19 PM >
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ooops,I forgot about scrappers making a mess to walk through. My bad. On that thought, I'll pick up some new filters,diaphragms,and a Mach 3 for my kit today. I've yet to see anything that wasn't stripped decades ago,but times being what they are,( indifferent), I think I may have just pulled my first online 180'. I don't foresee wearing it much,but nice to have & not need etc,etc.

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Re: A message for explorers from the Asbestos cancer center.
<Reply # 33 on 4/25/2009 6:01 AM >
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Posted by sandaili


Not quite true - statistically, yes, it goes up after repeated exposure. But the point is, you can get it any time - it's just more likely that the more you explore, the more chances you have of breathing it in.

It only takes inhaling in one fiber to cause mesothelioma. It is not caused by a buildup of anything in your lungs. So, in reality, it probably would take most explorers a long time to actually get sick from exploring. But, in the world of hard knocks, some people who use masks may get sick and some who never do and explore 24-7 may be just fine. It all depends on the locations, really, more than frequency of exploring.


Almost EVERYONE has inhale at least one asbestos fiber. It's very common.

Large amounts that overwhelm the body's natural filtering mechanisms (a smoker's natural defenses are already compromised) will have predictable outcomes especially with the additional exposure to tobacco smoke. A heavy, one time asbestos exposure is far worse than smaller, infrequent exposures.

smoking + asbestos = death

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Re: A message for explorers from the Asbestos cancer center.
<Reply # 34 on 4/25/2009 11:59 PM >
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I know with my job im exposed to a lot of harmful chemicals working with the fire department. So any chance i can use some equipment to limit my exposure i take it. For you guys who chose not to wear masks around mold, asbestos and other airborne matter. Chose carefully, it may be cooler and more comfortable to not wear them. But Dieing of cancer or some other infection is worse. Protect your self when you can, and where ever you can.

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