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UER Forum > Archived UE Main > Hobo defense: What do you use? (Viewed 1212 times)
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Hobo defense: What do you use?
< on 12/11/2008 7:37 AM >
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Obviously the best idea is to avoid them. I know some people like to talk to them, but I don't. We've had some unpleasant encounters before. For the sake of my inquiry, let's assume they are to be avoided at all costs.

What do you use to protect yourself in dangerous areas?

Anyone ever use a stun gun or know how effective 500,000 volts is?

I just acquired one of these:


I've shocked myself with smaller ones, but I don't think I'll try it this time.


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Re: Hobo defense: What do you use?
<Reply # 1 on 12/11/2008 8:11 AM >
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Problem is, you're not going to initially know if the person is just a 'hobo' or if they're some thug that might have a gun or knife & no problems with hurting you.

Likewise, they don't know who YOU are either, or whether you're alone or not.


Either way:

1. Have a walkie-talkie radio, like FRS or whatever, and when you have an encounter, immediately pretend to use the radio, saying something like "Contact, 3rd floor west." That way, the dude(s) won't think you're alone, and that you've just told someone else exactly where you are in the building & that you've come into contact with someone. Ideally, you won't be alone in the first place, but try the radio advice even if you're there with a couple other people.


2. Assuming the hobo is just as nervous about you as you are about them, you try to take & maintain psychological control of the situation, maybe say something like "Oops, didn't mean to startle you. I'm a volunteer with the Salvation Army. One of our clients used to live here & said his cat is probably still here. I'm looking for the cat. Have you seen one? If not, I'll leave you & this area alone now, but we will continue to look for William's cat." Most bums give a free-pass to Salvation Army people, but some get pissed off because the Salvation Army doesn't let them come inside the shelters if they're drunk. If you're actually a kind person, maybe know the location of the nearest Salvation Army shelter & provide it to them (they probably know it already). If they ask about your camera (but only you should be asking the questions), you can say it's so if you end up seeing more than one cat you can take photos to show William, who could then hopefully ID his cat. If the hobo is living there, he/she probably has some sort of weapon around, but it's to defend themselves against some other hobo trying to 'evict' the first one. If you don't look like a hobo (& sorry, but many of you UE'ers do!) then the guy's guard should go down a little, but you keep a good 'command presence' so he doesn't start to think of you as someone he can prey upon.

2.5 You could always say you're a location scout for a Jamaican Posse, looking to establish a nice, discrete crackhouse. Or you could say you're a movie location scout looking for an abandoned building to film scenes in for a major motion picture. Coincidentally, they are looking to cast a few people as 'cerebral, but homeless' types & you think he'd be perfect for the part. Union-scale wages start at $100 cash per day, but if he wants a larger role, such as a speaking one where he has to be able to belch or fart on-que, pay starts at $200 a day.


3. A 5+ D-cell Mag-lite or Streamlight might let you spot someone with more advance-warning than a less powerful flashlight, you might be able to temporarily blind them, which will give you more of a psychological edge, and in the worst-case scenario you can hit 'em in the head to try to kill them, or crack 'em in a knee to incapacitate them.


That device you depicted looks more like a cattle-prod (offensive weapon) than a 'stun gun' (defensive weapon).

If I wasn't comfortable with just my big flashlight, I'd prefer to have OC spray with me.


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Re: Hobo defense: What do you use?
<Reply # 2 on 12/11/2008 8:23 AM >
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I like to dress up in my old SS uniform and murder them and then bury them under the floor in my basement.

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Re: Hobo defense: What do you use?
<Reply # 3 on 12/11/2008 8:49 AM >
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I'm not afraid of hobos. They should be afraid of me.



But seriously, most of the ones where I live pose no threat. Throw them some change and they'll even tip you off about places and conspiracy theories.

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Re: Hobo defense: What do you use?
<Reply # 4 on 12/11/2008 10:21 AM >
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Posted by yellow_wallpaper
I'm not afraid of hobos. They should be afraid of me.



But seriously, most of the ones where I live pose no threat. Throw them some change and they'll even tip you off about places and conspiracy theories.


yeah, in all seriousness, i find being kind to them and treating them with respect is not only your best defense, but can also be very beneficial.

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Re: Hobo defense: What do you use?
<Reply # 5 on 12/11/2008 10:54 AM >
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Posted by SubLunar
I just acquired one of these:
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You, my friend, are a fucking idiot. Not only will using this on a hobo make YOU an assaultant, on a run-in with the fuzz, you'll have a lot harder way to explain "i wuz juz taking pixures" with a device which can floor even the heaviest donut-dunker. A 4- or 6-cell Maglite will prove to be as effective if need be, but won't raise as much suspicion.

Posted by SubLunar
I've shocked myself with smaller ones, but I don't think I'll try it this time.


Please do! I'm serious about that: It's always good to know your tools!

I've had 2 run-ins with copper strippers (we were equally afraid and just evaded each other) and one with a hobo (who wanted an "entrance fee" of 10 Euro pp - we gave him 10 Euro for 6 persons, then he was happy). Just assess the situation and either evade them or be friendly with them. Don't go near their sleeping quarters though - they have a right to privacy too.


Posted by Tracy.
I like to dress up in my old SS uniform and murder them and then bury them under the floor in my basement.


Oooh, can I join you!


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Re: Hobo defense: What do you use?
<Reply # 6 on 12/11/2008 11:42 AM >
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Posted by SubLunar

Obviously the best idea is to blah blah blah...



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Re: Hobo defense: What do you use?
<Reply # 7 on 12/11/2008 12:11 PM >
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Carrying something like that is only going to lead to trouble. Better hope the hobo you zap with that isn't actually just an old man out for a walk with his PACE MAKER!


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Re: Hobo defense: What do you use?
<Reply # 8 on 12/11/2008 12:36 PM >
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Posted by Tracy.
I like to dress up in my old SS uniform and murder them and then bury them under the floor in my basement.


everyone needs a hobby. lol

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Re: Hobo defense: What do you use?
<Reply # 9 on 12/11/2008 12:40 PM >
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cigarettes and a 40 ouncer. or some cash for breakfast.

ever take a bum out to breakfast and/or lunch and/or dinner? some of them are surprisingly smart and interesting. some of them are only there because they acknowledge that they got themselves there.

that is not to say that there aren't angry or violent hobos out there. but just remember : live and let live is the best way of avoiding an unpleasant situation

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Re: Hobo defense: What do you use?
<Reply # 10 on 12/11/2008 1:30 PM >
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$10 work every time and you feel a little better too!

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Re: Hobo defense: What do you use?
<Reply # 11 on 12/11/2008 1:53 PM >
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Yeah, give em a candy bar or something. A zapper is stupid, as others have said there's no way to know if someone has a heart condition, is on drugs, or has other factors which can make it more deadly. The cops kill people all the time with Tazers, and they're at least kind of trained to use them.

If you absolutely, positively are scared to death of people in a location, don't go! Remember, it's their home you're invading, they have more right to it, even if both of you are breaking the law. They're getting a better use out of the place as a home than you are as an hour of middle class hobby entertainment.

If you insist on going but are still worried, bring more people! If you have to have a weapon for intimidation, find something on the site, then there's no fun charges tacked on to trespassing if/when you get caught. Explorers have been charged with all kinds of felonies in the past for having knives and other things on them when caught. A chunk of rebar or something looks menacing and can be thrown away when you leave.

If you have to use the weapon, then you fucked up. As any legit self defense instructor will tell you, the best defense is to avoid having to use a weapon. Announce yourself before entering rooms, don't sneak up on people, don't surprise people, be aware of your surroundings at all times, and don't cause a bad situation. Remember it's just a HOBBY, there's no reason to harrass or surprise anyone, or push their personal space.
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Re: Hobo defense: What do you use?
<Reply # 12 on 12/11/2008 3:57 PM >
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I use common sense.

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Re: Hobo defense: What do you use?
<Reply # 13 on 12/11/2008 4:05 PM >
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Posted by hombre_mosca
cigarettes and a 40 ouncer. or some cash for breakfast.


Luckily, I haven't had a run-in yet, but I've got a pack of smokes and a few lighters in my explorer pack for this reason.

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Re: Hobo defense: What do you use?
<Reply # 14 on 12/11/2008 5:12 PM >
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I have a stock of really horrible puns just for instances like this.

Little known fact: hobos love bad jokes.

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Re: Hobo defense: What do you use?
<Reply # 15 on 12/11/2008 5:22 PM >
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Posted by SubLunar
Anyone ever use a stun gun or know how effective 500,000 volts is?


Avoid the homeless.
If you can't avoid, talk.
If you can't talk, run.
If you can't run, use pepper spray & run.
If you can't use spray & still can't run, fight until you can.

If you're doing it right though, you'll probably never get to the last two.

Never try to hurt someone more than you need to in order to just get away. UE isn't Krav Maga, a minimalist mindset is best.



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Re: Hobo defense: What do you use?
<Reply # 16 on 12/11/2008 5:23 PM >
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There is an excellent scene in A Clockwork Orange which demonstrates the proper way of dealing with hobos.


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Re: Hobo defense: What do you use?
<Reply # 17 on 12/11/2008 5:23 PM >
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nunchucks.

leave the gun. take the cannoli.

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Re: Hobo defense: What do you use?
<Reply # 18 on 12/11/2008 5:31 PM >
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Re: Hobo defense: What do you use?
<Reply # 19 on 12/11/2008 5:33 PM >
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Oh yeah, if you encounter a bum throw them a little blanket party.

“You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons.”
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