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 HeresToLife88
   
Location: Union County
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< on 11/30/2008 2:49 AM >
|  | | | Hey Everyone,
First time I've used a model in my photos so just kind of looking for simply what I'm doing right, wrong, how my post processing is working, and what i should do different next time, any help is appreciated.
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Aleksandar
  
Location: United States
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 1 on 11/30/2008 2:58 AM >
| | | | I like #1 and #3 the best, really evokes "Lady Gaia". excellent job there! publication worthy imo.
maybe some airbrushing on #4, and #2 i just don't like. #5 i find her gaze too direct, and distracting from the overall setting. a look slightly away and towards her front, whimsically, would be perfect imo.
you asked for advice so there it is  you're a great photographer & some good post-prod.
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peaceloveanderad
Location: Manchester NH / Lowell MA
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 2 on 11/30/2008 4:39 AM >
| | | | Numbers one, two, and three are the best in my opinion. I really like how she's not looking at the camera, and when I saw her gaze in the last one, it honestly just distracted me. It was too direct.
The colors are great, the dress is perfect, hair is beautiful, overall, you did an amazing job.
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yota94
Location: AEQUITS.VERITAS. CALI.
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 3 on 11/30/2008 7:29 PM >
| | | | #1 ftw....try way harsher angles
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HeresToLife88
Location: Union County
| | | | Re: First Time With Model
<Reply # 4 on 11/30/2008 10:37 PM >
| | | | Posted by yota94
#1 ftw....try way harsher angles
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Will do, I should be going out with her again this week at some point, and later this month i am picking up a 50mm f1.4 lens for my camera which i think should work pretty well for this kind of work, anyone have it / have anything to say about that lens while we're at it?
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shellyl
  
Location: Lenoir NC
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 5 on 12/1/2008 2:07 PM >
| | | | Very nice! I never go with the flow and I guess I am not starting here. I was not about 5 when I went through the first time but it is my favorite now. Gives me the feeling she is looking right through you.
Can't wait to see the next set. You two are a nice fit.
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LockOUT
Location: Abandoned pilgrim lock shop
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 6 on 12/1/2008 5:21 PM >
| | | | nice i personally thing those are Awesome horror movie shots...nice work
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HeresToLife88
Location: Union County
| | | | Re: First Time With Model
<Reply # 7 on 12/1/2008 5:23 PM >
| | | | Going out again with this model tomorrow so hopefully by this weekend i can post some more.
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GreyKat
Location: Minneapolis/St Paul MN
Gender: Male
I have never been lost, but I will admit to being confused for several weeks.
| | Re: First Time With Model
<Reply # 8 on 12/1/2008 7:18 PM >
| | | | Here are my suggestions, please don’t take them as insulting since you asked for a critique I am giving you my honest opinion even if it sounds harsh. There are several things you could do to try to improve these images and I will try to point some things out to you so you can learn and avoid them in the future.
Image one:
Look at the rear horizon line of the panes of glass; you could stand to rotate the image slightly. If you use Photoshop use an arbitrary rotate or free transform to even it. If you aren’t sure what’s level use a horizontal guide and match the panes to it.
The model has the dreaded “claw” with her hand position which isn’t pleasing to the eye and looks like she is clawing her throat. In the future that can be corrected by slightly straightening the fingers and presenting a little more of a side profile with the hand.
Decide which you want to pop out to the eye more – the leaves or the model. My guess is you would like the model to stand out more since you have her as the subject and not the location. Try bringing out the color of her hair a bit more and slightly lightening the skin and putting a small Gaussian blur mask to it to help hide the imperfections. Don’t go overboard!
When you use models pay close attention to the lines that lead the eye. I noticed several lines that lead away from the model and towards things you don’t probably want the eye to be drawn to. Try using the rule of thirds as the image in bottom heavy and the model runs right up the center.
In posing your subject you want to try to compliment the models assets. This image makes the models legs look about two inches long and like they are disassociated with the model because they are crossed and the viewer has a hard time seeing that. Position the arms and hands to lead to where you want the eye to go as well.
With the subjects head tilted back and slightly up and to the side you accentuate the nose which can look harsh and uncomplimentary. In this case it looks like an arrow pointing off to the right side of the image.
Image two:
Were you going for the cousin IT look? That’s kind of how it looks. The models hair may be long and all but it’s the main focus of the image and it doesn’t look like a hair ad unless it’s the before shot and we are waiting for the after.
With her shoulders and back hunched it’s a good thing all the leaves kind of distract the viewer from the poor posture. Have the model pull back her shoulders even past normal slightly if need be and arch her back to elongate and give pleasing lines to the eye. Don’t use so many leaves in her hair.
Keep an eye on your leading lines and background. She has a tree coming out of the center of her head and the lines lead everywhere but the model.
That angle makes her butt and shoulders look big and her wardrobe is bunched adding to that look.
Image three:
I like this one better as you used her arm to lead the eye to the model but with her head turned away its leading to what?
The branch in the foreground partially hides the model and her feet are hidden by a black blob making them look cut off.
Posture of the model can be improved – head up showing at least ¼ of face, shoulders back, and suck in the tummy. By the looks of it the model would be more complimented by a ¼ turn to face the camera as this angle doesn’t work well for her body type.
I do like the concept behind this shot though.
Image four:
Not bad but can be improved by once again showing more of the models face. I see a nose and top lip and that’s it.
Leading lines are good in this shot.
Hand is the “claw” try to avoid this by presenting the side of the hand and not having the model clench it into a fist. The dress could be grasped lightly with elongating the fingers or even pushed up against her body.
Have the model arch her back slightly to force the shoulders back some and elongate the body rather than hunching it.
Skin tones are slightly blown out and look unnatural. Try a small Gaussian blur mask to smooth imperfections and maybe use a warming filter.
Image five:
Nice composition for this type of shot.
Possible things to watch out for or change are again the claw with the hands, smooth & warm the skin tones, bring out her eyes and edit out the dark circles under them. Try whitening the eyes 5% and brightening the color of her eyes and they are the focal point of the shot. Dress is bunched in back and not falling naturally. Watch the background lead in lines. The pole behind her looks like she has a spear in her side. Maybe brighten the hair on the back of her head a little so it doesn’t fade into the background and give an odd shape to her head.
Some things you may want to think about using with model photography is a reflector which can be as cheap as a white foam board you can pick up for less than a buck at an art store if you are on a limited budget. Having something to bring more light onto the subject will help bring the model out of the background more.
Good first attempt keep it up!
[last edit 12/1/2008 7:19 PM by GreyKat - edited 1 times]
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GreyKat
Location: Minneapolis/St Paul MN
Gender: Male
I have never been lost, but I will admit to being confused for several weeks.
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<Reply # 9 on 12/1/2008 7:47 PM >
| | | | I forgot to ask is that location the greenhouse at Eastern State?
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
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<Reply # 10 on 12/1/2008 7:48 PM >
| | | | Wow, and I thought I was picky.
These are actually some of the better model shots I've seen on this site, mostly because I get the sense that he probably couldn't care about the "claw" or hiding imperfections with gaussian masks. They look natural, and unlike a lot of other stuff from this genre, they're neither too trashy looking or too (what's the word I'm looking for here?) emo.
#4 is probably the weakest one, though. It looks as though you released the shutter by mistake during an outfit change.
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GreyKat
Location: Minneapolis/St Paul MN
Gender: Male
I have never been lost, but I will admit to being confused for several weeks.
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<Reply # 11 on 12/1/2008 8:24 PM >
| | | | Like I said micro no offense intended with it. Thats why I rarely if ever post critiques on this forum because people frequently are too (whats word I'm looking for here) emo. I shoot models regularly and if he's asking for a critique on model shots then thats what I gave. He would probably profit more from seeking critiques from a model site than a UE one but thats his call. They arent location shots and they dont look natural. Model shots dont have to look trashy or emo but they should make the model look as good as possible through proper techniques and editing unless the goal is to be socking or some kind of horror related. I'm not saying give her the magazine PS makeover but try to hide things that do look bad that stand out in both editing and while taking the shots.
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HeresToLife88
Location: Union County
| | | | Re: First Time With Model
<Reply # 12 on 12/1/2008 8:37 PM >
| | | | Posted by GreyKat
I forgot to ask is that location the greenhouse at Eastern State?
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This one isn't at eastern state, its just in a town in NJ out in the woods.
Also thank you so much for the critique, your right i definitely need to keep an eye out for certain things with the posture and all that as well, this girl isn't normally a model, shes actually one of my photographer friends who said she'd give it a shot, shes done a couple things in the past but is still almost as new to it as me. I completely forgot about brightening the eyes in that one picture and should get on that, but thanks again for probably the most useful critique I've ever gotten on here. I might also go back at some point and try to eliminate some of the distractions in some of these pictures, the roof of the building always kind of annoyed me in some of these since it cuts some pretty harsh lines, i'll have to play with these some more.
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
| | Re: First Time With Model
<Reply # 13 on 12/1/2008 8:45 PM >
| | | | Posted by GreyKat
Like I said micro no offense intended with it. Thats why I rarely if ever post critiques on this forum because people frequently are too (whats word I'm looking for here) emo. I shoot models regularly and if he's asking for a critique on model shots then thats what I gave. He would probably profit more from seeking critiques from a model site than a UE one but thats his call. They arent location shots and they dont look natural. Model shots dont have to look trashy or emo but they should make the model look as good as possible through proper techniques and editing unless the goal is to be socking or some kind of horror related. I'm not saying give her the magazine PS makeover but try to hide things that do look bad that stand out in both editing and while taking the shots.
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I guess that's what I dislike about a lot of model photography.. the photographer usually tries too hard to make the model look "as good as possible." Personally, I don't see how any of these make her (or any of her specific features) look unflattering. I know these wouldn't cut it in the world of fashion or advertising photography, but I think that's probably a good thing.
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GreyKat
Location: Minneapolis/St Paul MN
Gender: Male
I have never been lost, but I will admit to being confused for several weeks.
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<Reply # 14 on 12/1/2008 8:48 PM >
| | | | Np, you have a good start so keep it up.
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yota94
Location: AEQUITS.VERITAS. CALI.
Gender: Male
| | Re: First Time With Model
<Reply # 15 on 12/2/2008 2:56 AM >
| | | | Posted by HeresToLife88
Going out again with this model tomorrow so hopefully by this weekend i can post some more.
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cant wait to see them
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Sand
Location: Pac South
Everything interesting is always behind a fence.
| | Re: First Time With Model
<Reply # 16 on 12/2/2008 4:36 AM >
| | | | Posted by micro
They look natural, and unlike a lot of other stuff from this genre, they're neither too trashy looking or too (what's the word I'm looking for here?) emo.
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Hahaha. Emo things on UER? ;)
I liked #1 the most. It seems to have a 2d effect at the bottom which is fairly awesome IMO. Like her hair is tree roots.....I know that sounds totally stupid.
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Wolfheart
Gender: Male
| | | Re: First Time With Model
<Reply # 17 on 12/2/2008 4:48 AM >
| | | | 1, 2 and 3 hit me most (they are excellent). Also 5 is good, but that 4 needs something more. It ain't bad, but compared to others it just... Needs something more.
Only request that I have what come these: bigger pictures, please!
(must come back; I think that it is background that ain't working so well in that 4th picture)
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APRIL2239
Location: RALEIGH, NC
Gender: Female
| | | | Re: First Time With Model
<Reply # 18 on 12/7/2008 1:48 AM >
|  | | | I like them all if you aske me.. I love #1 and the one with the leaves in her hair. I say a job well done my friend.
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rob.i.am
Gender: Male
Carpe noctum
| | | Re: First Time With Model
<Reply # 19 on 12/7/2008 2:00 AM >
| | | | Posted by GreyKat
Here are my suggestions
*book removed*
Good first attempt keep it up!
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This is quite possibly the most thoughtful criticism I've ever read here.
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