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Location: live and in the fresh
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< on 11/17/2008 9:24 AM >
|  | | | Killer storm lashes south-east
http://www.brisban...1226770241428.html
A 20-year-old Brisbane man died after being swept away in a storm water drain in a tragic aftermath to the destructive storms which created chaos in the state's south-east this afternoon.
Police believed the man and a 23-year-old companion were taking photographs in a drain near Westfield Shopping Centre at Chermside when the water rose at speed, causing them to be swept away.
Police and the QFRS Swift Water Rescue Team attended and plucked the 23-year-old man out of the drain after he managed to grab hold of a grate.
However, the 20-year-old man could not be seen. A search of the drain was conducted and the body of the man was located a few hours later, police said...
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trent
    
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<Reply # 1 on 11/17/2008 3:11 PM >
| | | | The drainers have been talking about this already elsewhere, but I think this is good to post this here in Main. Not due to morbid curiosity, but to remind everyone who may ever try draining the number one rule: When it's raining, don't go draining!....so you don't die.
From what I hear, not only was it raining, but it was a sever storm with golf ball sized hail that was predicted well ahead of time. Also, it looks like the decreased knew the guy who survived who potentially knows a couple drainers here on UER.
This wasn't the typical some teenage guys wandered into a drain. This was a drain photographer who should have known better who took a friend down at a really bad time. Not trying to talk bad things about anyone. But when it rains don't go down there!
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yellow_wallpaper
Location: Victoria, Canada
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<Reply # 2 on 11/17/2008 8:56 PM >
| | | | Thats really sad, but I agree with trent. It comes down to common sense. Even if by some unlucky circumstance they didn't know about the storm warnings, they should have kept an eye on the water levels.
Didn't something simular also in Australia happen earlier this year? (January i think.)
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dsankt
Location: live and in the fresh
| | | | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 3 on 11/17/2008 9:02 PM >
| | | | Posted by yellow_wallpaper
Thats really sad, but I agree with trent. It comes down to common sense. Even if by some unlucky circumstance they didn't know about the storm warnings, they should have kept an eye on the water levels.
Didn't something simular also in Australia happen earlier this year? (January i think.)
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Yeah, 2 writers died in Fortress drain (sydney).
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DuranieDeniZ
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<Reply # 5 on 11/18/2008 8:10 PM >
| | | | Very sad, but I cannot comprehend why anyone would dare go draining while there is even a chance of rain!
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hombre_mosca
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| | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 6 on 11/18/2008 9:47 PM >
| | | | just my opinion, but this applies to ANY place you explore. if its just not safe, dont try and be brave. i seen photos on here where some people have explored places with collapsed floors and they are clinging to the wall. now, im all for exploring everything everywhere, but if its too risky, why do it? no one is impressed with your "ninja" skills.
people, PLEASE be safe when you head out there.....the cost of losing your life is just unacceptably expensive...
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Aye.Eye
Location: Wonderful Land of Oz
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| | | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 7 on 11/19/2008 2:51 AM >
| | | | The storm was expected to be huge, and predicted well ahead of time.
The guy who died was known to the Brisbane Cave Clan, only due to emails sent requesting tours, but was not a member.
I actually have never been in that drain, I am looking forward to it, however there may be some extra security now...
What a waste of a life... Remember kids, "When it rains, NO DRAINS!"
Just to show you the severity of the storm, here is a photo.
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dsankt
Location: live and in the fresh
| | | | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 8 on 11/19/2008 2:54 AM >
| | | | Posted by hombre_mosca
now, im all for exploring everything everywhere, but if its too risky, why do it? no one is impressed with your "ninja" skills.
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Because if it was all safe then it would be boring. How do you define too risky? What's too risky for you might be a walk in the park for someone else. Things you find acceptable might be way in excess of what a non-explorer is comfortable with. Unless you occasionally step close to the edge of your risk limits, how do you know where this mystical 'too risky' barrier falls?
Bring on the 'ninja skills', I am impressed by them.
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Air
Location: Canada
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<Reply # 9 on 11/19/2008 3:12 AM >
| | | | Posted by dsankt
Because if it was all safe then it would be boring. How do you define too risky? What's too risky for you might be a walk in the park for someone else. Things you find acceptable might be way in excess of what a non-explorer is comfortable with. Unless you occasionally step close to the edge of your risk limits, how do you know where this mystical 'too risky' barrier falls?
Bring on the 'ninja skills', I am impressed by them.
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While I agree with you about boundaries, the problem is generally people who FA!L to recognize what their limits are. From what I have heard, this wasn't some newbie who didn't know the rules, but someone who used to go in drains. Shame he took a n00b with him.
Not to get too off topic, but this is the reason I won't answer questions about locations to people I don't know. Well the main reason anyways. I'd hate to think that I was responsible somehow for directing someone to a location and they do something utterly stupid that costs them their life. That storm looked so bad I wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere except maybe my basement for shelter !
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Samurai
 
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Location: northeastern New York
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| | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 10 on 11/19/2008 3:15 AM >
| | | | is this the point where the 'personal responsibility' disclaimer should be? as always, tragic loss of life can be attributed to bad judgement.
| but if its too risky, why do it? no one is impressed with your "ninja" skills. |
this is will always be open to interpretation. Why do people do risky things? Because when you pull them off, it reaffirms you being alive? Gets the blood flowing? Gives the adrenaline a spin through the bloodstream? Whatever the case, people define themselves by their risky level. As a generality, this hobby ranks somewhat middle of the road on the risky meter. I think it parallels mountain/rock climbing in the fact that the reason to do it is merely because you can, or because 'it' is there. The more 'risky' a locale, the better the rush. Sometimes that need to risk clouds the judgement and one gets hurt. I don't the majority who risk are trying to show off their 'mad ninja skills'. I think they are just trying to prove something to themselves.
I may be overanalyzing the comment and trivializing the death of someone... that wasn't my intention.
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Location: Kansas, USA
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| |  | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 11 on 11/19/2008 3:48 PM >
| | | | I like the adrenaline rush, myself. It makes you feel so alive. Later on you might go, "What was I thinking??" But at the time it seems like a good idea.
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Yehoshua
Location: Ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 12 on 11/19/2008 6:21 PM >
| | | | Posted by Samurai
I think they are just trying to prove something to themselves.
I may be overanalyzing the comment and trivializing the death of someone... that wasn't my intention.
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I'd dabbled here and there with UE before, but it wasn't until a certain life disaster struck me really hard, that I started picking my way through collapsed floorboards, rotting support beams, skeletal beginnings of highrises and drains with water up to my chest. You're depressed, maybe even suicidal, you aren't sure -- but life doesn't seem living...until you realise you're one instant from death, and you find yourself thinking "God, don't let me plunge through the floor" -- then you realise you do want to live, even if you're not happy with your life. And then you enter the second phase...
It may not be true of the Brickworks or other 'photography' dens, but there are some days when you're gathering gear and thinking to yourself "Well, I'll make it home in one piece God-willing", but you know that there is that small chance that today will be your last day because you'll make a fatal mistake. You know you're taking a risk that most would deem "stupid", but that you believe the greatest risk of all is simply living for pussy, pilsners and pot. That you believe life isn't worth living, if one isn't willing to push the limits, and that any risk can be justified -- because if you come home from this adventure in one piece, it's going to have had a profound impact on your self-image, self-control and self-worth. You're going to have been the first person to survive going over Niagara Falls in a barrel, or something similar.
This Australian may have died, and may have even poorly calculated the risks to himself, nobody can really decide except him (although taking companions does increase guilt) -- but perhaps if he never went in drains, he would have been killed while crossing the street, in a botched liquor store robbery, or died of pneumonia after contracting it walking home one winter. To reduce my verbosity to a movie tagline, so even the lowest common denominators can walk away with a summary, "Everybody dies. Not everybody lives".
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hatsumi
| | | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 13 on 11/19/2008 10:10 PM >
| | | | "because if you come home from this adventure in one piece, it's going to have had a profound impact on your self-image, self-control and self-worth."
..bit too creepy for me...sounds like someone with mental issues exploring and living the chemical imbalance lifestyle.
although exploring an epic sight like niagra would be great and you'd feel pretty self satisfied from the experience.
no drains when it storms, ever, never, not even for a moment. let alone in the rain...... the deaths in drains in aus this yr have in common ( aside from tragedy ) was that both had occurred after well forecasted large storms were due to hit.
blah blah, could die walking home, driving to work, we take risks....etc etc
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Location: Rochester, NY
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| | | | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 14 on 11/19/2008 10:13 PM >
| | | | This makes me think of the episode of Bill Nye the Science Guy where he showed what an inch of water looks like in a bowl, in a very large bowl, in a pool, and in a small valley. Even so much as a half inch of rain can send ridiculous amounts of water into our storm drains.
It's too bad someone had to lose their life when they could've watched Saturday morning educational programming.
Me goin' legit would be like JarJar on speech therapy.
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| | | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 15 on 11/19/2008 10:20 PM >
| | | | Posted by Yehoshua
...You know you're taking a risk that most would deem "stupid", but that you believe the greatest risk of all is simply living for pussy, pilsners and pot...
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What's the point of a risk without a reward? Most draining risks can be mitigated somewhat by appropriate gear, and watching the weather carefully. It doesn't get more exciting when you're being careless.
The death on Sunday was just down to complacency - nobody was looking for thrills.
Draining isn't really fodder for adrenaline junkies.
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<Reply # 16 on 11/19/2008 10:25 PM >
| | | | Too bad for that guy. Well, I'm just new to draining so now I know what others have been through.
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hombre_mosca
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| | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 17 on 11/20/2008 11:59 AM >
| | | | Posted by dsankt
Because if it was all safe then it would be boring. How do you define too risky? What's too risky for you might be a walk in the park for someone else. Things you find acceptable might be way in excess of what a non-explorer is comfortable with. Unless you occasionally step close to the edge of your risk limits, how do you know where this mystical 'too risky' barrier falls?
Bring on the 'ninja skills', I am impressed by them.
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its easy to say that until you are at the bottom of a basement with 3 tons of building on top of you and you are crying for your mommy
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dsankt
Location: live and in the fresh
| | | | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 19 on 11/20/2008 1:40 PM >
| | | | Posted by hombre_mosca
its easy to say that until you are at the bottom of a basement with 3 tons of building on top of you and you are crying for your mommy
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It's just as easy to say that, until you're 80 years old in a wheelchair wishing you'd had the balls to do all the things you bitched out of because you were a pussy. I recognise we all have specific skillsets and knowledge which mitigate individual risk in specific areas. Unfortunately the only one you've demonstrated so far seems to be creating implausible scenarios for strawman arguments on the internet, which is no real challenge... see above.
If 3 tons of building 'on top of me' is the price I pay for crawling out the sandpit then so be it. mooommy mooooommy moooooommy
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