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 Martino
   
Location: Almere - NL
Gender: Male
2,5 days 5691 km, 1200 cigarettes, 131 beers, 67 locations, 3 girs and 2 cars! I absolutely rule!
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<Reply # 20 on 7/8/2008 7:23 PM >
|  | | | Posted by Imbroglio
First let me say that I have the highest regard for your photographic skill, particularly your compositions. Your pictures taken with a quality camera are usually remarkable.
I know this is just my opinion, but here's the thing about Holgas...if you had taken these pictures with a quality camera, say a Canon 40D or the like, people would be pickin' them apart for 'sins' like the blown-out and underexposed areas, lack of sharpness, lens flare...but since they were taken with a Holga, people are falling all over themselves for them. I think I understand what people like about the Holga look & feel (though I don't share the appreciation myself); I guess I'm just amused by the double standard everyone seems to apply to Holga pictures vs. pictures taken with a decent camera.
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I can understand your opinion. I guess for me it's mainly the fun of shooting with a camera that has lens made out of plastic. The unpredictable outcome is part of the charm - although not a real credit for the photographer - for it is completely random, apart for the exposure time.
But i don't agree with you saying it's a double standard - this is a toy camera. So photo's produced by the holga, or any other toy camera, have to be viewed with a different approach.
thanks for giving your opinion!
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Imbroglio
  
Location: DFW
Gender: Male
The glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
| | | Re: abandoned mine seen through a holga
<Reply # 21 on 7/9/2008 4:29 AM >
| | | | Posted by Martino
But i don't agree with you saying it's a double standard - this is a toy camera. So photo's produced by the holga, or any other toy camera, have to be viewed with a different approach.
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I think you just said the same thing I did though; that Holga images seem to be appreciated and critiqued with a different set of standards than images taken with real cameras. I consider that a double-standard.
As an example, lets take the third image from your original post. If you didn;t already have the reputation in the forums as an excellent photographer (well deserved, by the way) and you posted that image as having been taken with say a Canon 30D, many folks would've jumped all over you for the blown out sky. But since it was taken with a Holga, now that same blown out sky is OK. That confuses me. To me, a photograph is a photograph, and ultimately I couldn't care less what kind of camera took it. If it meets OR fails my criteria for a good quality photograph, it doesn't matter if it was taken with a Nikon D3 or a shoebox with a pinhole in it. But evidently for many folks, all conventional evaluation criteria are pitched out the window when it's taken with a Holga.
I read back what I just wrote and I realize that I still haven't succinctly captured what I'm trying to say. Lemme try to say it as tersely as I can, hoping not to offend:
"If a picture sucks, a picture sucks; doesn't matter what kinda camera took it."
And thus, my thorough confusion over the allure of the Holga...
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cwestcivic5
Location: Michigan
Gender: Male
| | Re: abandoned mine seen through a holga
<Reply # 22 on 7/9/2008 1:55 PM >
| | | | Posted by Imbroglio
I think you just said the same thing I did though; that Holga images seem to be appreciated and critiqued with a different set of standards than images taken with real cameras. I consider that a double-standard.
As an example, lets take the third image from your original post. If you didn;t already have the reputation in the forums as an excellent photographer (well deserved, by the way) and you posted that image as having been taken with say a Canon 30D, many folks would've jumped all over you for the blown out sky. But since it was taken with a Holga, now that same blown out sky is OK. That confuses me. To me, a photograph is a photograph, and ultimately I couldn't care less what kind of camera took it. If it meets OR fails my criteria for a good quality photograph, it doesn't matter if it was taken with a Nikon D3 or a shoebox with a pinhole in it. But evidently for many folks, all conventional evaluation criteria are pitched out the window when it's taken with a Holga.
I read back what I just wrote and I realize that I still haven't succinctly captured what I'm trying to say. Lemme try to say it as tersely as I can, hoping not to offend:
"If a picture sucks, a picture sucks; doesn't matter what kinda camera took it."
And thus, my thorough confusion over the allure of the Holga...
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i think it goes without saying that a modern day camera's pictures cannot be judged in the same way a $20 holga's can. not saying one takes better pictures than the other, just the pictures are different.
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Martino
Location: Almere - NL
Gender: Male
2,5 days 5691 km, 1200 cigarettes, 131 beers, 67 locations, 3 girs and 2 cars! I absolutely rule!
| | | Re: abandoned mine seen through a holga
<Reply # 23 on 7/9/2008 5:09 PM >
| | | | @ Imbroglio: hehehe here we go!
I think you can approach this in two ways:
1 the photo on itself - when you have this approach (i think you do  ) you are absolutely right that there's a double standard.
2 the process of taking photos / practising photography - when looking at photos with this approach i think it does matter to know with what camera a photo is taken. I mean there is no way a holga can ever take a picture of the same quality as a DLSR.
I personally get a lot of joy out of practising photography, this is why i (also) like shooting with the holga.
edit: i'm not offended that easily besides that, you explain why and i can learn from that. It helps me thinking about why i DO like this and makes me explain that.
[last edit 7/9/2008 5:13 PM by Martino - edited 1 times]
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Jeff!
Location: Boston, MA
Gender: Male
| | Re: abandoned mine seen through a holga
<Reply # 24 on 7/9/2008 6:39 PM >
| | | | it really bothers me when people write "these are good" or something like that in this section because it doesn't help the photographer at all, there's no criticisms but honestly, i have nothing for you on these, they are all beautiful. they capture colors dead on and convey some awesome emotions.
VERY well done!
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briansbrains
Location: valbona
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 25 on 7/10/2008 4:46 AM >
| | | | Good stuff.
I'll have to put together a post of my holga ue shots.
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InterplanetAnna
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 26 on 7/29/2008 11:21 PM >
| | | | I love numbers one and five.
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