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UER Forum > Archived Rookie Forum > Has a Security Guard Ever Tried to Detain You? (Viewed 2362 times)
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Has a Security Guard Ever Tried to Detain You?
< on 6/5/2008 6:55 PM >
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I'm the kind of guy that walks or runs away from security guards. I don't sit around chatting and I certainly don't get into a position to be detained. If somebody tells me to "stop" I'm going to laugh and do the opposite.

It seems to me that most people "detained" by security almost "want" to be detained. I mean is a security guard really going to chase you and tackle you like a cop would? I've never had it happen to me. Security has told me to stop or leave and I leave.

So my question remains, have you ever been detained or has a security guard ever attempted to detain you?

And apologies in advance if this has been talked about endlessly in the past.

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Re: Has a Security Guard Ever Tried to Detain You?
<Reply # 1 on 6/6/2008 12:10 AM >
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can they detain you for trespassing? I thought that you had to be provided opportunity to exit the area that they do not want you on, or else you're being held against your will (unless a cop has put you under arrest). Or am I wrong?

If I am, it would be good to have that cleared up now and not later.

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Re: Has a Security Guard Ever Tried to Detain You?
<Reply # 2 on 6/6/2008 1:20 AM >
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Most security guards do not have the authority to touch you. They are no different then mall security. The only thing they can do is tell you to come with them and wait while the call the police, weather you do that or not is your choice.

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Re: Has a Security Guard Ever Tried to Detain You?
<Reply # 3 on 6/6/2008 1:27 AM >
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Posted by ryan
Most security guards do not have the authority to touch you. They are no different then mall security. The only thing they can do is tell you to come with them and wait while the call the police, weather you do that or not is your choice.


While it is true that legally can't really do anything, you have to carefully consider what you do. Security guards can make a choice, and that choice could be to call the cops or not to call the cops. If you want the latter you maybe better to stay calm and try to work it out with the guards. I've been let go more times by not running, and not being a dick...

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Re: Has a Security Guard Ever Tried to Detain You?
<Reply # 4 on 6/6/2008 1:34 AM >
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From my experience, most of the security guards I've meet were either bored or really bored. Just be friendly and you should not have any problem.

A few days ago, I've been caught by a guard in a construction site. He walked toward me and my friend. I told him I was taking pictures (having a big camera and a 70-200 white lens sure help). He told us that because of insurance and liability reasons we had to leave. While he escorted us to the exit, we were talking about the history of the building they were renovating. The guy stayed with us outside to chat a bit more about what they are going to do with the building.

The guy was friendly.

Most of the time, if you're not being an asshole to the security guard, he will be nice with you, and you can learn a lot by chatting with them.

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Re: Has a Security Guard Ever Tried to Detain You?
<Reply # 5 on 6/6/2008 1:37 AM >
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Posted by insainly sound


While it is true that legally can't really do anything, you have to carefully consider what you do. Security guards can make a choice, and that choice could be to call the cops or not to call the cops. If you want the latter you maybe better to stay calm and try to work it out with the guards. I've been let go more times by not running, and not being a dick...


Oh no I agree completely most of the time you can just talk to them they are normal people. There is those times though when you know they are going to call the cops and you have to bail.

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Re: Has a Security Guard Ever Tried to Detain You?
<Reply # 6 on 6/6/2008 2:09 AM >
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Laws differ from place to place. In Canada, I think that they are virtually deputized, but I may be remembering that incorrectly.

Posted by SirJinx

I mean is a security guard really going to chase you and tackle you like a cop would? I've never had it happen to me.



I propose that you are not going to interesting enough places if the security guards aren't trying to tackle you.

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Re: Has a Security Guard Ever Tried to Detain You?
<Reply # 7 on 6/6/2008 2:11 AM >
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I think security guys are for the most part "normal" people, but there is security and then there is security.

What I mean by that, a security guard guarding an abandoned hospital would probably be much different than the security guards at a rail yard.

I used to work for a division of the Santa Fe railroad in Los Angeles and my brother in law was security there. Their main job was preventing theft and vandalism...and he took his job way seriously...too seriously. But in some regards, I think he kind of had to because they were dealing with serious thieves looking to jack loads of goodies.

He used to tell me stories of chasing down guys and tackling them. I don't know the legalities of what he was doing, but I know that it wasn't illegal because he used to tell me about his "chases" all the time. I think I'll have to call him up and ask him what their rules were out on the railyard.

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Re: Has a Security Guard Ever Tried to Detain You?
<Reply # 8 on 6/6/2008 2:47 AM >
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The railroad has it's own national police force, with real police authority.

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Re: Has a Security Guard Ever Tried to Detain You?
<Reply # 9 on 6/6/2008 3:13 AM >
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In Canada at least, security officers can make a citizen's arrest. They cannot touch you unless they are making a citizen's arrest, if I remember correctly.

Of course this is if everyone is going by the book. A lot of them don't.

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Re: Has a Security Guard Ever Tried to Detain You?
<Reply # 10 on 6/6/2008 11:39 AM >
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Used to work for American Security. I was at a active warehouse and we had the same power as a police officer as long as we were on the site. Once we were off the property even on duty you have no power at all. So basically if a security guard catches you on site you can be screwed at least here in south carolina. But if you get off the property you don't have to obey him no matter what he says. Leagally anyway. It was an easy job and I enjoyed it. Only thing I ever had to deal with was kids parking there and screwin. Nothing stops the show like a high powered spot light lol. Take it easy and enjoy.

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<Reply # 11 on 6/6/2008 12:05 PM >
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Yes, and the guard was very friendly
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Re: Has a Security Guard Ever Tried to Detain You?
<Reply # 12 on 6/6/2008 5:30 PM >
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Posted by Jeepdavetj
It was an easy job and I enjoyed it. Only thing I ever had to deal with was kids parking there and screwin. Nothing stops the show like a high powered spot light lol.

No, no, no dude. You did it all wrong. You should have filmed them and sold the videos online, or at least blackmailed them so they paid you not to do so.

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Re: Has a Security Guard Ever Tried to Detain You?
<Reply # 13 on 6/6/2008 8:31 PM >
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No, no, no dude. You did it all wrong. You should have filmed them and sold the videos online, or at least blackmailed them so they paid you not to do so.


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Re: Has a Security Guard Ever Tried to Detain You?
<Reply # 14 on 6/7/2008 1:10 AM >
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Posted by ryan
Most security guards do not have the authority to touch you. They are no different then mall security. The only thing they can do is tell you to come with them and wait while the call the police, weather you do that or not is your choice.


You're mistaken, friend. Security DOES have the power to touch you (ask any 'captured' shoplifter). But that's only if you doing something illegal. Don't cause a scene and you'll be alright.

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Re: Has a Security Guard Ever Tried to Detain You?
<Reply # 15 on 6/7/2008 1:59 AM >
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In Canada, a Security Guard in actual fact, has MORE power/authority than the Police does.

On property, a Security Guard can arrest for any Criminal Code violation as well as any Trespass to Property Act violation, whereas a Police Officer cannot do any of those, unless he/she is invited on the property. That is to say, a Police Officer couldn't enter a building that he/she doesn't have "agent" authority on, to arrest you because he/she would infact be trespassing themselves. By Agent Authority, that is, the owner of the property has authorized the Police to act as an Agent on their property (IE, what a Security Guard does).

And yes, a guard can use force.

Section 41 of the Criminal Code of Canada allows a Security Guard to use as much force is as reasonably necessary to remove a trespasser from their property. What constitutes reasonable force is, in common law, the minimum amount of force required for compliance. So that means in theory if you are being very physically agressive, the guard can counter-act that with as much force as he/she deems necessary - up to and including hard physical control (IE, using a baton). Section 41 reads:

41. (1) Every one who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house or real property, and every one lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority, is justified in using force to prevent any person from trespassing on the dwelling-house or real property, or to remove a trespasser therefrom, if he uses no more force than is necessary.

It also goes on to say;

(2) A trespasser who resists an attempt by a person who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house or real property, or a person lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority to prevent his entry or to remove him, shall be deemed to commit an assault without justification or provocation.

That means that if a Security Guard is attempting to remove you from the property and you do ANYTHING to resist, even so much as drag your feet, you have committed assault, which you can then be arrested for.

Contrary to popular belief, a Security Guard can also arrest you off property, as outlined by section 494;

arrest by owner, etc., of property
(2) Any one who is

(a) the owner or a person in lawful possession of property, or

(b) a person authorized by the owner or by a person in lawful possession of property,

may arrest without warrant a person whom he finds committing a criminal offence on or in relation to that property.

So, if a guard sees you commit a criminal offence on property and you take off, he/she can arrest you off property because it is in relation to the property.


In other words, guards here in Canada have a hell of a lot of power, and can do a lot more than most think. A "citizen" arrest carries just as much power as an arrest by Police. You can still get charged with resisting arrest, and you can still get charged with flight from arrest if you take off - they are exactly the same charges as if you resisted arrest from the Police. Infact, "Resist Arrest" is the same section of the Criminal Code as Assaulting a Police Officer - something that isn't taken lightly.

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Re: Has a Security Guard Ever Tried to Detain You?
<Reply # 16 on 6/7/2008 3:10 AM >
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Posted by comrade 47


You're mistaken, friend. Security DOES have the power to touch you (ask any 'captured' shoplifter). But that's only if you doing something illegal. Don't cause a scene and you'll be alright.


NO.

In the United States, security has the power of citizen's arrest...which is often worthless in our situations since a citizens arrest cannot be invoked unless the person (security guard) has WITNESSED a FELONY (note, trespassing is not a felony). Keyword...witness. Depending on where you live, a person who places someone under arrest can be sued for false imprisonment or false arrest if the person arrested ends up being acquitted of the accused felony.



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Re: Has a Security Guard Ever Tried to Detain You?
<Reply # 17 on 6/7/2008 4:43 AM >
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NO.

In the United States, security has the power of citizen's arrest...which is often worthless in our situations since a citizens arrest cannot be invoked unless the person (security guard) has WITNESSED a FELONY (note, trespassing is not a felony). Keyword...witness. Depending on where you live, a person who places someone under arrest can be sued for false imprisonment or false arrest if the person arrested ends up being acquitted of the accused felony.


that's what I thought, and thanks for the backup. Do you know of anywhere that I could find that written though, just for total confirmation?

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Re: Has a Security Guard Ever Tried to Detain You?
<Reply # 19 on 6/7/2008 11:50 PM >
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NO.

In the United States, security has the power of citizen's arrest...which is often worthless in our situations since a citizens arrest cannot be invoked unless the person (security guard) has WITNESSED a FELONY (note, trespassing is not a felony). Keyword...witness. Depending on where you live, a person who places someone under arrest can be sued for false imprisonment or false arrest if the person arrested ends up being acquitted of the accused felony.




That's what I meant.



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