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 JimBoylan
   
Location: SouthEast Pennsylvania, U. S. of A.
Gender: Male
 |  | Betraying Location and Details with Links?
< on 2/15/2008 4:01 PM >
|  | | | Many of the members who post information and photos try not to post the exact
locations and entry points. I try to honor their wish when I post replies that
have more information. But, what about posting links to other Websites, or citing
news or other print and publicly available resources that are less secret with the
details?
A wild and fictional example:
Someone posts photos and questions about exploration of non-public areas in the
tallest building in Gotham City. Could I reply by posting the link to the official
Empire State Building website, which lists its address as 6th Ave. and 34th St.,
Manhattan? What about listing the date and page number of the New York "Times"
illustrated news paper article about how their reporter and photographer got an
official guided tour of these spaces? Or the "Village Voice" feature article
interviewing an Urban Explorer who described how he got in? Or the office in City
Hall where anyone can examine the detailed plans of the building, if you know its
address?
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natxtron
   
Location: memphis
urbanesquelation
| |  | Re: Betraying Location and Details with Links?
<Reply # 1 on 2/15/2008 4:57 PM >
| | | | often times, it's not exactly an attempt to keep a location secret that's important, though that is the case many times. what's more important is to not give away info that makes it so simple to locate. exploring is supposed to be about finding things, not getting handouts.
typically, when i see a news link or official website, the building probably isn't that hard to find anyway. i'd rather share important info on buildings that most people already know about, especially if involves an arson or demo. the few that don't know about a building that is getting media attention or online traffic will just have to close their eyes and pretend there is still a sense of adventure.
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blackhawk
This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
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<Reply # 2 on 2/16/2008 5:39 AM >
| | | | Worse using the proper name, which means it shows up on any Goggle search.
It becomes a resource for looters and vandals.
These kinds of posts/threads here should be removed ASAP.
They cause nothing, but trouble.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Air
 
Location: Canada
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<Reply # 3 on 2/16/2008 6:24 PM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
Worse using the proper name, which means it shows up on any Goggle search.
It becomes a resource for looters and vandals.
These kinds of posts/threads here should be removed ASAP.
They cause nothing, but trouble.
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This should be an option that is turned off. Better yet, all threads should require log in. It might cut down on indiscriminate 'browsing'.
"The extraordinary beauty of things that fail." - Heinrich von Kleist |
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TheGreatShakesby
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Gender: Male
| | Re: Betraying Location and Details with Links?
<Reply # 4 on 2/16/2008 7:56 PM >
| | | | Posted by Air 33
This should be an option that is turned off. Better yet, all threads should require log in. It might cut down on indiscriminate 'browsing'.
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I can't say I disagree with this. Although, I must say it is sad that these people are so desperate to mess things up for the rest of us that they lurk around forums like this.
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blackhawk
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Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
| | | Re: Betraying Location and Details with Links?
<Reply # 5 on 2/16/2008 8:43 PM >
| | | | Posted by Air 33
This should be an option that is turned off. Better yet, all threads should require log in. It might cut down on indiscriminate 'browsing'.
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That's a good idea, but if just a few trolling fucktards here were prohibited from posting the proper names of all sites not open to the public, it would stop the Google robo search problem almost completely.
Posted by ShakingHandIncisio
I can't say I disagree with this. Although, I must say it is sad that these people are so desperate to mess things up for the rest of us that they lurk around forums like this.
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It's sort of the equivalent of partying punks that use to hang on the street corners out of worthless boredom. They have no respect for these sites, others, or themselves.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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aaronni
Location: South Puget Sound
| | Re: Betraying Location and Details with Links?
<Reply # 6 on 2/16/2008 10:58 PM >
| | | | It's fair to say that divulging the actual name or exterior photos of a location much less a link to a news report involving the location is a terrible idea if you'd like the location to last. It's true that all abandonments have a life span but many have a shortened life due to being high profile.
Even a photo from the rooftop of a location showing the surrounding city and stating what town it's in is enough for people to find it if they really want to. And guess what, some people really want to, but not all of them want to photograph the place.
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secretdestroyers
Location: Baltimore
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Betraying Location and Details with Links?
<Reply # 7 on 2/21/2008 8:54 PM >
| | | | the fact that this forum shows up on Google shows up a lot lately. anyone think we should do something about it?
take the poll
SD
edit [broken link]
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JimBoylan
Location: SouthEast Pennsylvania, U. S. of A.
Gender: Male
| | Re: Betraying Location and Details with Links?
<Reply # 8 on 2/22/2008 9:24 PM >
| | | | The poll is only available to members, I guess of Google.
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Explorer Zero
| | | Re: Betraying Location and Details with Links?
<Reply # 9 on 2/23/2008 6:49 PM >
| | | | This is well worn and fruitless debate.
Post info or pics on UER and try to keep the name a secret or alter its true location and youre bemoaned as an elitist. Then some dumbfucks come along and post the same info in a public thread with everything up to and including the name and address and its Ok because theyre awesome rookies for shits sake!
Or some winos get in and set a fire in it or some taggers spray fuk-uz on the wall and a guy that cant even use a computer steals some copper and UER gets blamed for that.
Theres always some member that will claim to have incontrovertable evidence that this damage was all tied in to UER and the Patty Hearst kidnapping case too.
Just dont put stuff on the Internet at all if you want to minimize exposure.
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Speed
Location: Philly area
Gender: Male
Retired Explorer
| | Re: Betraying Location and Details with Links?
<Reply # 10 on 2/23/2008 9:07 PM >
| | | | Posted by 2Xplorations
Just dont put stuff on the Internet at all if you want to minimize exposure.
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its honestly that simple!
3 people can keep a secret if 2 are dead.
ultimately what it comes down to is a persons need for validation or a persons need/desire to protect a site.
site protection is personally much more important to me that the opinions of a bunch of people on an internet forum that I'll probably never meet.
its been a long time since I've posted a photo set on UER and its not cause I havent been exploring.... in fact, quite the contrary.
if you really like a site, keep the info to yourself and do not post anything photographically or otherwise that could be used to identify it.
I remember someone posting a photo set a while ago and they took a shot of an old phone on the wall. the phone number was still behind that little clear piece of plastic. it took about a 30 sec google search to lead ya right to the front door.
you obviously cant control what other people post.
if a site means something to ya........keep it to yourself and dont be so worried about "proving" something.
the UE community is very small and people talk, it doesnt take long to sort the dsankt's from the lord ricks......
R.I.P. NickSan | R.I.P. Don Corleyone |
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blackhawk
This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
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<Reply # 11 on 2/23/2008 9:20 PM >
| | | | Posted by Speed
its honestly that simple!
3 people can keep a secret if 2 are dead.
ultimately what it comes down to is a persons need for validation or a persons need/desire to protect a site.
site protection is personally much more important to me that the opinions of a bunch of people on an internet forum that I'll probably never meet.
its been a long time since I've posted a photo set on UER and its not cause I havent been exploring.... in fact, quite the contrary.
if you really like a site, keep the info to yourself and do not post anything photographically or otherwise that could be used to identify it.
I remember someone posting a photo set a while ago and they took a shot of an old phone on the wall. the phone number was still behind that little clear piece of plastic. it took about a 30 sec google search to lead ya right to the front door.
you obviously cant control what other people post.
if a site means something to ya........keep it to yourself and dont be so worried about "proving" something.
the UE community is very small and people talk, it doesnt take long to sort the dsankt's from the lord ricks......
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Dead on, and well put.
By the way, I killed the other two, just to be sure!
Ain't much of anyone here that likes orb master rick!
Don't splore & post like him!
remember the cave.... that I was never in! FUrickydicdic
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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YouOnlyLiveOnce
Location: san francisco, ca
Gender: Female
| | | Re: Betraying Location and Details with Links?
<Reply # 12 on 2/24/2008 2:02 AM >
| | | | Posted by Speed
its honestly that simple!
3 people can keep a secret if 2 are dead.
ultimately what it comes down to is a persons need for validation or a persons need/desire to protect a site.
site protection is personally much more important to me that the opinions of a bunch of people on an internet forum that I'll probably never meet.
its been a long time since I've posted a photo set on UER and its not cause I havent been exploring.... in fact, quite the contrary.
if you really like a site, keep the info to yourself and do not post anything photographically or otherwise that could be used to identify it.
I remember someone posting a photo set a while ago and they took a shot of an old phone on the wall. the phone number was still behind that little clear piece of plastic. it took about a 30 sec google search to lead ya right to the front door.
you obviously cant control what other people post.
if a site means something to ya........keep it to yourself and dont be so worried about "proving" something.
the UE community is very small and people talk, it doesnt take long to sort the dsankt's from the lord ricks......
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in a way, i agree with you. the more secretive we are, the better off we are, however to maintain a "community" i think it's important to post photos of sites and maybe even a little info. i understand the concern people have with giving vandals and scrappers info about the sites, but i also think by not posting at all, it effects us as a community in some ways. i think this is a tough topic because i see both sides. there's a very fine line..........
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Oryx
Location: Who knows
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<Reply # 13 on 2/24/2008 3:02 AM >
| | | | Hm, I could go both ways with this one. I agree that locations could be easily ruined with carelessly posted photos, but at the same time, how can anyone appreciate the beauty of these places if everything is kept so secret? It would be like an artist who paints masterpieces, but never shows anyone their work. Without recognition they might as well not even have the talent.
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blackhawk
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Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
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<Reply # 14 on 2/24/2008 3:35 AM >
| | | | Showing your talent shouldn't mean having to do things that get sites trashed, destroyed, boarded up, or demolished!
Unless of coarse you have a talent for destruction... the armed services are for that!
I capture images, I'm not a bleeding tour guide!
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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musket boy
Location: Maui
Gender: Male
It smells like your grandpa and your feet stick to the floor
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<Reply # 15 on 2/24/2008 4:32 AM >
| | | | I don't see any problem giving out locations or names
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HeresToLife88
Location: Union County
| | | | Re: Betraying Location and Details with Links?
<Reply # 16 on 2/24/2008 5:35 AM >
| | | | Depending on how badly someone wants to find something they will eventually find it. I know myself if i get a few outside pictures of a site and a general idea of where it is, it usually isn't too tough to find via Google maps or something like that. It's never going to be completely stopped, someone will always end up posting something somewhere, but if your really worried about a site locations info getting out too much by someones post, at least on this site, send them a PM or something and ask nicely if they could remove some info on the place. Hah someone already kinda told me that i did, and i went back through my posts and made them less specific. Thats my 2 cents at least.
Now They've Put Bars Across The Park Benches, So I Guess It's Illegal To Sleep... |
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saturdayskids
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Betraying Location and Details with Links?
<Reply # 17 on 2/24/2008 7:49 AM >
| | | | I don't really think, nor have I ever imagined, copper thieves and teenage vandals coming onto UER to look for locations, because they're that desperate. I also imagined a copper thief to not have the kind of smarts or expenses to do it, and vandals usually vandalize because of close location/boredom. Graffiti artists usually vandalize for fame, to get their name out. UER seems like it would be too intricate and detailed for just "bored vandals", and theres no way in hell a writer starving for fame to boost their egoism would goto an otherwise desolate abandoned place, to write on the walls. Who would see it? Trust me, most graffiti artists know any "important" abandonments (to them, at least), already. Anything else doesn't really matter.
I don't know exactly where I'm going with that, but I see users on here who have been registered for 2 years, but aren't members. Why? Because they don't post? Because they posted a decent amount, but haven't contributed? But how could they contribute without being members? Therefore, they're not worthy of knowing those locations. That's fucking bullshit.
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dsankt
Location: live and in the fresh
| | | | Re: Betraying Location and Details with Links?
<Reply # 18 on 2/24/2008 11:31 AM >
| | | | Posted by saturdayskids
I don't know exactly where I'm going with that, but I see users on here who have been registered for 2 years, but aren't members. Why? Because they don't post? Because they posted a decent amount, but haven't contributed? But how could they contribute without being members? Therefore, they're not worthy of knowing those locations. That's fucking bullshit.
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What's fucking bullshit is that people seem to think they're entitled to locations lists, like the UEDB is some charity for people who don't go out there and find their own stuff.
People share locations all the time, using this invention called talking. The best stuff isn't the UEDB, it's kept lowkey between the finders and those people they can trust. Incredible isn't it.
sleepycity.net: watch out for the third rail baby, that shit is high voltage. urbex and urban exploration photography |
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Explorer Zero
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<Reply # 19 on 2/24/2008 12:30 PM >
| | | | Posted by saturdayskids
I see users on here who have been registered for 2 years, but aren't members. Why? Because they don't post? Because they posted a decent amount, but haven't contributed? But how could they contribute without being members? Therefore, they're not worthy of knowing those locations. That's fucking bullshit.
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Im not going to address the full member thing thats the moderators sole decision to give whomever they want full access. I will say this and echo what others have said; any place I dont want ruined, boarded up or blabbed about or blogged on other sites and Myspace, I simply wont post anything about on UER.
As dsankt points out there is no entitlement program here, its always enlightening to see certain members go to great lengths to proclaim their status as explorers, then harp the loudest with this gimme gimme gimme the location shit. Explore something youve found on your own you may even find it enjoyable.
For the record, I make lots of locations Ive been to public. (ones where I dont care if you get caught or get the place locked down and a few that I know you'll never figure out how to get to or into)
Posted by musket boy
I don't see any problem giving out locations or names
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We already know that. And that in and of itself, is at the cruxt of the problem.
The defense rests on this final bit of prima facia evidence.
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