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 bgue
Gender: Male
 |  |  | Draining questions in general (Rochester, Ny)
< on 6/26/2007 5:05 AM >
|  | | | Hi everyone, it's great to be back to the forums. Some of my friends and I have been wanting to go draining for a really long time now, but we have absolutely no idea where to go. I live in Rochester, NY and in my neighborhood there are two manholes in the street (one saying: SANITARY SEWER, and the other which is diagonal to it is blank). I am familiar what a sanitary sewer is, and my best guess is that the other one is a storm drain. My question is: If I was to perhaps pop both of the covers, is it worth my while to do so? meaning, do you think there are walkable pipes down there? I have always been curious about what is under my street so hopefully this summer I will finally find some answers. I don't want to risk my neighbors seeing me in the middle of the street trying to lift a manhole cover, they would certainly call the cops on me. So how would I not get caught by my neighbors or a car coming down the street (I will NOT go out in the middle of the night doing this due to a bad experience of sneaking out of my house before). Any suggestions? Also, I went for a few walks to look for an opening at some point, but the drains appear to be entirely underground. At about every few hundred feet, there is the same arrangement of manholes...I can provide you with pictures of the covers if you need any. I hope someone can answer this question.
P.S. If this doesn't work out, where are some good draining locations in Rochester, Ny for my friends and I to explore besides the huge one downtown that is on www.industrialnewyork.com (that one is too risky).
Thanks
-Ben
[last edit 6/26/2007 5:11 AM by bgue - edited 1 times]
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beneathandabove
 
Location: CoLoRaDo
Gender: Female
| | Re: Draining questions in general (Rochester, Ny)
<Reply # 1 on 6/26/2007 1:28 PM >
| | | | are there any rivers, streams, or lakes in your town? storm drain outfalls go out into bodies of water and can be quite accessible at those points.
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blacklines
 
Location: the red stick.
Gender: Male
| | Re: Draining questions in general (Rochester, Ny)
<Reply # 2 on 6/26/2007 2:17 PM >
| | | | The outfalls suggestion is dead on... Popping manholes (in my opinion) is sort of a last resort, especially if you think there is a chance someone who cares will see. What you might do is check google earth on the coordinates of a known set of manholes, and if you know what direction you BELIEVE the drain travels, follow that direction as best you can and look for locations for possible outfalls--does a creek surface? Is there a lake? Drainage pond? Looking at the top of manholes probably wont tell us more than its told you.
-blacklines
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Dowcet
  
Location: Middletown, ct
| | | Re: Draining questions in general (Rochester, Ny)
<Reply # 3 on 6/26/2007 2:40 PM >
| | | | No one is going to have any easy answers for you I'm afraid. Popping a manhole that's in the middle of a road is dangerous unless you're going to set up a highly visible barricade over it like workers would. People who do that often wear vests and stuff so they look enough like workers to avoid some suspicion.
As a beginning drainer, your best bet is to walk along rivers and look at aerial maps trying to find outfalls. (With a quick look on local.live.com I was able to find what looks like two wide open outfalls near a wastewater treatment facility... might not pan out, but I would definitely try and scope it out if I were near Rochester!)
Finding drains worth exploring can be really easy if you can find maps from your local public works department, etc. Usually that involves going to city hall and doing some simple social engineering. In your case, GIS data exists for all the storm water and sewer infrastructure of the entire county... pretty remarkable, but probably very tricky to get your hands on. Good luck!
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bgue
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Draining questions in general (Rochester, Ny)
<Reply # 4 on 6/26/2007 3:05 PM >
| | | | The town hall stuff and getting records thing is out of the question because they wouldn't buy that a kid wanted those records for a project in the summer. The water flows down on my part of the street because we are on a hill. Here is the google earth link of the two manholes in front of my house. I am unable to find where it flows out to but maybe one of you guys can. In Google Earth look up: Cobbs Hill Drive, Rochester, Ny.
Thanks!
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micro
 
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
| | Re: Draining questions in general (Rochester, Ny)
<Reply # 5 on 6/26/2007 3:42 PM >
| | | | I think Rochester is mostly combined which means that anything marked as Sanitary is probably taking in storm water as well. So things are bound to get pretty stinky. It also means that most of the outfalls in the system are going to be fairly small and possibly even submerged. Unfortunately, the only way into a particular line might be through a manhole.
On the plus side, there are probably some nice things that were built during the 1800s. I'd have a look through this set of documents (http://www.rochest...indexm.htm#mh11551) to get a sense of how things are laid out. Also see what you can find through your local wastewater treatment plant's site. They're often a good resource and will sometimes even have basic system maps.
Also, what are the lids like there? Most lids will have a couple of holes for lifting and ventilation. You don't have to remove them to find out what might be down there. Just stick a flashlight in one hole and look through the other. If it's something that looks as though it's worth getting into, follow the line until you can find a lid that *isn't* in the middle of the street. There's usually at least one to be found.
I'd definitely suggest looking for outfalls first though, and if you haven't already, read Predator's approach.txt (http://www.infiltr...ions-approach.html).
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blacklines
Location: the red stick.
Gender: Male
| | Re: Draining questions in general (Rochester, Ny)
<Reply # 7 on 6/26/2007 3:49 PM >
| | | | this may or may not help as well.
http://www.ewashte...ilities/dc_GISMaps
Im on so much crack, thanks for smacking me right, micro
-blacklines
[last edit 6/26/2007 4:08 PM by blacklines - edited 1 times]
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
| | Re: Draining questions in general (Rochester, Ny)
<Reply # 8 on 6/26/2007 3:59 PM >
| | | | Yeah, except he lives in Rochester. Not Ann Arbor, Michigan.
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bgue
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Draining questions in general (Rochester, Ny)
<Reply # 9 on 6/26/2007 4:18 PM >
| | | | Thank you i will have to check that out... but unfortunately there are no holes in the manholes in front of my house...however, the ones down my street with the same arrangement do. But how could I possibly go down there without people noticing or cars hitting me...I won't do the whole cone idea.
My goal is to actually go under my own street, but if that's impossible then i'll try the other place.
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Whittiker Owens
Location: Denver CO
Gender: Male
| |  | Re: Draining questions in general (Rochester, Ny)
<Reply # 10 on 6/26/2007 4:27 PM >
| | | | i have found a few promising outfalls lately. they are HERE, you just have to look for them.
as for your neighborhood, i agree that i think there is something over there - hell, you are sitting ontop of the old canal bed! if i was going to fill in the canal, i would put a pipe of some sort there. and that foot bridge near by has a man hole next to it, i was thinking about checking that out.
but i found something better to explore. what ever one else is saying is true, just look around local rivers and streams...you WILL find what you're looking for.
Whittiker Owens:
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bgue
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Draining questions in general (Rochester, Ny)
<Reply # 12 on 6/26/2007 4:44 PM >
| | | | My friend is coming over now and we're gonna check it out. I'll let you know how it is, and what foot bridge??
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bgue
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Draining questions in general (Rochester, Ny)
<Reply # 13 on 6/26/2007 6:02 PM >
| | | | that place where the expressways are is impossible to get to beacuse you would have to cross the track and ppl would notice...is there any other locations for draining in Roc?
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
| | Re: Draining questions in general (Rochester, Ny)
<Reply # 14 on 6/26/2007 6:11 PM >
| | | | *sigh*
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blacklines
Location: the red stick.
Gender: Male
| | Re: Draining questions in general (Rochester, Ny)
<Reply # 15 on 6/26/2007 6:52 PM >
| | | | BGUE-
I do not want to sound condescending, but seriously... You may have to take some risks if you are interested in seeing some drains--its a fact--some drains require more than others.... Also--I believe it says numerous places that the way to make an impression here is not to come and ask for locations, this is especially true if you seem unwilling to do your own fieldwork and research. My advice to you (and take it with a chunk of salt--after all I posted the ann arbor drain maps... jesus) is that you decide what kinds of risks you are willing to take, and then do some research on your own (go ride your bike around, take some public transit) and scout some outfalls/manholes... Follow streams, rivers, etc--check out your local historical society and dig up any information you can on creeks or streams that may have been diverted or covered at some point... See what kinds of public works projects have been undertaken in recent years (did any of these include stormwater handling?) Incidentally, how old are you--I get the sense that your parents might be influencing your decisions in terms of risk assessment.
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bgue
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Draining questions in general (Rochester, Ny)
<Reply # 17 on 6/26/2007 9:22 PM >
| | | | I will not say my age, but you are absolutely right that I have to take some risks. My parents do not influence my decisions much. I have tried A LOT (riding my bike around, and walking with buddies scoping out places) but have had no luck, that's why I came here to ask if anyone knew of any locations.
Geez
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bgue
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Draining questions in general (Rochester, Ny)
<Reply # 18 on 6/27/2007 5:23 AM >
| | | | I do have to apologize for my coming on too strongly. I read what I wrote before and I was thinking "Wow I sound way too annoying and too anxious to go draining". I guess it would be a better overall experience if I find places on my own. Anyways, thanks for your help and useful information.
Hopefully soon I will get back to you guys and let you know about my first draining exploration!
-bgue
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blacklines
Location: the red stick.
Gender: Male
| | Re: Draining questions in general (Rochester, Ny)
<Reply # 19 on 6/27/2007 2:16 PM >
| | | | thats the spirit--best of luck--finding your first drain all byr yourself will leave you with a sense of accomplishment that you wouldnt get from getting the location from someone else--I remember my first drain, short and shitty as it was, I was excited to have found the outfall on my own, almost as if I was exploring "uncharted" territory, even though I knew that in all likelihood, I was not.
blacklines
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