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 Sn33k
Location: All Your Base
Gender: Male
Evades things.
 |  | Bad Ideas?
< on 6/2/2007 8:19 PM >
|  | | | Hello there- this is my first post here so if i make any stupid and or obvious post related mistakes please point them out and i shall promptly cry then fix them as best i can. Truly.
To the point- I have been infiltrating and sneaking into places for roughly 5 years now- Originally it was quite simply that i needed to find a toilet in a place that seemed to worship some ancient deity known only as Out Of Order- and many shrines had replaced the toilets i so very much required. Longer story made short- i became addicted to satisfying my curiosity. Now- it was not until very recently that i realized that anyone else other than myself engaged in this thing i did- 'till the internet told me that it was called Urban Exploration, and the Wiki-entry led me to the more exiting branch- of Infiltration.
Since that time i've lurked and updated my knowladge through reading and common sense and basically researching as much as possible- and as i searched through various sites and pages devoted to this most noble pursuit to cure the disease of curiosity, [honest joke] I was certain that i had a handle on all the basics and generally had a clue as to what all Urban Explorers were about.
Then 5 nights ago I found out about the 'other guys'.
As far as i can tell there are 3 'types' of urban exploration-[just ideas in my mind- i'm not trying to pretend i know anything here ^_^]
The first is plain Urban Exploration- the safer, less invasive art of looking in places long forgotten- viewing places that wanted to be lost to antiquity and basically getting into places that no one really cares if you do get into anyway and anyhow.
IE hospital basements and public waterways.
The second stage is the more risky, but no less fun aspect of 'Infiltration' Accessing places that people still see, may care about and in fact put signs up to ward people off- but not enough to invest in real cameras and the like- sort of like dumps and supermarkets. That kinda thing.
But more recently- i've been made aware of a third type of exploration- One i've dubbed 'Counter Oprative Exploration' This type of Urbex COE for short- is nearly always done in places that are less dangerous for the obstacles- and more dangerous for the security measures placed in and around them.
It tends to value the Getting In and Out aspect more than the spirit of exploration- A kind of Offline hacking so to speak. [and yeah i remember the semblences made to the word Vading- i'm just trying to convey an idea here]
It would seem that people are becoming more curious about protected property and Infiltrate just for the sake of personal curiosity- one that could potentially end in a long prison sentence. The kinds of places i'm talking about that people COE are- Police Stations- Government Buildings and post offices, places that carry sensitive information and 'federal crime' brands.
I'm worried that- this trend unusually attractive idea- might spark people to do insane things like sneak into a military compound- then get caught - then in turn bring down Urban Exploration as some kind of dangerous hobby.
Then come the bigger fines and such. See where i'm going? Now i'm sure someone has said all of this before and that i'm repeating stuff everyone here knows- but i'd like to gather those thoughts as opinions from you people whom- basically- have far more experience than i who have spent less than a decade doing things such as this.
To save people the pain of reading through my agonizing posts i shall merely place my ideas in question form.
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What kind of places would you NOT explore and why?
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Although common sense seems to be an uncommon trait- what would you do if exploring such high risk places as Police Station Rooftops[Yeah i know STUPID but i know 2 people whom have] and you got caught?
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If filming/picture taking what would you respect in terms of 'Should i take a photo of this even though it would lead less sensible people to trouble?'
Those questions tend toward what NOT to do- and thus re-enforce some better ideas. Any suggestions?
A few things people should know in reguards to my mindset-
I have done graffiti peices but i never 'Tag'.
And i've never stolen- or harmed anyone- or made a nuisence of myself- and most certainly i've never damaged
any property.
But i'd like to pose some other questions- kind of moral dillemas if you will.
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You are out exploring and you witness a crime- gain evidence[through pictures and such] of it- but cannot explain your presence at the crime scene or for any reason cannot get out of a charge- what would you do?
[Although you can always say that you overheard the crims planning and that's what made you..Stake the place out instead of bothering police phone lines with possibly false info...hehe that worked once.]
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You infiltrate a place and discover sensitive information that could be detrimental to a Govt Organization- but cannot report it due to the fact you would be discredited by being placed at the place you discovered the said information.
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If exploring a place that is due to be demolished or basically removed- is it still ethical to take various things from the site seeing as they will be destroyed anyway? [By things i mean such as, cool old signs, maybe that 'amazing' crate of license papers and whatnot.]
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Anyone know of any other 'catch 22' situations and solutions to go with them??
oh by the way- any one ever had to do a runner-[that is when you choose to run] and wind up leaving a friend to be caught?
I only ask because i and my friends agree to GTFO no matter what- we only go back for each other if there is more than property or money at stake- IE safety.
Thank you for reading and such- and i hope i'm not repeating FAQ that could have been answered with a little more lurking- but then- there are some specifics i wanted to hear about so i think i might be justified in starting a whole new topic. I hope.
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distinked
Location: Connecticut. USA
Gender: Male
Damn fingernails.
| | Re: Bad Ideas?
<Reply # 1 on 6/3/2007 2:28 AM >
|  | | | I don't think you have anything to worry about. "U.E." isn't an entity capable of being destroyed. Frankly, it's just a quirky name given to a timeless trend towards satisfying a sense of curiosity and/or adventure. Some folks like climbing, some idiot might try to climb the side of the White House; I'm not convinced fools of that nature will bring down the sport.
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What kind of places would you NOT explore and why? |
This is probably best left to common sense.
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Although common sense seems to be an uncommon trait- what would you do if exploring such high risk places as Police Station Rooftops[Yeah i know STUPID but i know 2 people whom have] and you got caught? |
I don't think it's an uncommon trait. If it were, these forums would be barren. If you got caught, well your best option is to tell the truth. Cops are professional bullshit detectors and can read people like children's books (though often they cannot read children's books). They get it day in and day out so don't screw with them.
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If filming/picture taking what would you respect in terms of 'Should i take a photo of this even though it would lead less sensible people to trouble?' |
I just took a photo of a canister of Freon TE and posted it online. If that leads to some inbred jackass drinking it or pouring it into a stream that's not my doing. I can see your concern though. Use your discretion. I wouldn't post a picture of an abandoned pile of automatic rifles (namely because they wouldn't be there anymore after I laid eyes upon them).
A few things people should know in reguards to my mindset-
I have done graffiti peices but i never 'Tag'. |
What's the difference? Art and scribbles on property other than your own is the same thing. I'm not bashing it, some of it is gorgeous and I support self-expression. I just don't see how talent can be the means to justify an end.
And i've never stolen- or harmed anyone- or made a nuisence of myself- and most certainly i've never damaged
any property. |
What about graffiti art? I know you were referring to smashing windows or running naked through the back room at the A&P though...
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You are out exploring and you witness a crime- gain evidence[through pictures and such] of it- but cannot explain your presence at the crime scene or for any reason cannot get out of a charge- what would you do? |
Anonymous tip if I was motivated enough. Murder, rape or anything along those lines... well I'd risk my ass for that victim, and hope others would too. What's a trespassing charge if you save some lives or get some shithead on death row where he can eat away at public funding?
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You infiltrate a place and discover sensitive information that could be detrimental to a Govt Organization- but cannot report it due to the fact you would be discredited by being placed at the place you discovered the said information. |
What are you referring to? I think you are talking about, say, sneaking into the NSA building and overhearing proof that "the terrorists" are just an acting troupe out of Langley, VA. Once again, common sense should dictate your actions here.
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If exploring a place that is due to be demolished or basically removed- is it still ethical to take various things from the site seeing as they will be destroyed anyway? [By things i mean such as, cool old signs, maybe that 'amazing' crate of license papers and whatnot.] |
I think this is a personal moral issue which cannot be (and should not be) decided amongst us as a group. If were were more of a cohesive unit (like a membership club) we could come up with a set of rules, but as it is we can only flex our internet tough guy muscles and pontificate. Even if we were a club, too many rules leads to too many other clubs; all of whom think they're better than the previous club. E.G. the Catholic Church...
oh by the way- any one ever had to do a runner-[that is when you choose to run] and wind up leaving a friend to be caught?
I only ask because i and my friends agree to GTFO no matter what- we only go back for each other if there is more than property or money at stake- IE safety. |
This kind of situation is prime. Plans should be laid beforehand IMHO. I will stick by whomever I am exploring with no matter what, especially if danger presents itself, unless said fellow was setting me up or some such horrendous drama.
| Thank you for reading and such- and i hope i'm not repeating FAQ that could have been answered with a little more lurking- but then- there are some specifics i wanted to hear about so i think i might be justified in starting a whole new topic. I hope. |
Hope I have given you some food for though. I'm an equally verbose individual. I wonder if together we can win a "Verbal Diarrhea" badge for our profiles given that this thread probably has the highest wordcount of any two-post thread around. I'd like to mention that my eyeballs are bleeding.
Edit: I r a good speeel'r.
[last edit 6/3/2007 2:30 AM by distinked - edited 2 times]
How vain it is to sit and write when one has not stood up to live! -- Thoreau |
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Trevzilla
 
Location: St. John's, Newfoundland
Gender: Male
To hell with purple people....unless they're suffocating, Help Them!
| | Re: Bad Ideas?
<Reply # 2 on 6/3/2007 3:36 AM >
| | | | Alright, first of all, holy long post batman! And second, let's make it longer...at least that's what she said.
Posted by Sn33k
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What kind of places would you NOT explore and why? |
In my opinion, your comfort zone changes as you progress through your UE life...say an abandoned house is a gateway drug, then you move on to factories or something until eventually you're all strung out on heroine in a Gambian Prison or something. In conclusion where I would not explore right now is somewhere I don't know how to handle such as Atlantis or something.
Posted by Sn33k
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Although common sense seems to be an uncommon trait- what would you do if exploring such high risk places as Police Station Rooftops[Yeah i know STUPID but i know 2 people whom have] and you got caught? |
I have to agree with telling the truth on this one, you'll probably just be called a dumbass and banned from somewhere like this.
Posted by Sn33k
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If filming/picture taking what would you respect in terms of 'Should i take a photo of this even though it would lead less sensible people to trouble?' |
I don't worry about sensible people, they hardly ever get in trouble anyway
Posted by Sn33k
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You are out exploring and you witness a crime- gain evidence[through pictures and such] of it- but cannot explain your presence at the crime scene or for any reason cannot get out of a charge- what would you do? |
In this case, I'd assume that by me helping out this much larger investigation, my petty tresspassing would be overlooked, so I'd tell the cops strait up.
Posted by Sn33k
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You infiltrate a place and discover sensitive information that could be detrimental to a Govt Organization- but cannot report it due to the fact you would be discredited by being placed at the place you discovered the said information. |
Ok, so this one I think I'd have to fax in the documents anonymously, or a tip, just make sure its to a completely seperate government organization or it will get burried.
Posted by Sn33k
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If exploring a place that is due to be demolished or basically removed- is it still ethical to take various things from the site seeing as they will be destroyed anyway? [By things i mean such as, cool old signs, maybe that 'amazing' crate of license papers and whatnot.] |
If its getting destroyed anyway, I say FREE FOR ALL!!!!
Alright, so, now that that's done, I have never done a runner, but we used to piss off the security guards in the mall by having one guy run some merchandise through the magnetic beeper thing while another guy takes off running out of the store. The security guards get really grumpy when they catch you for stealing, but you haven't stolen anything.
You're only as young as who you feel! |
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