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Location: Canada
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<Reply # 40 on 5/10/2007 1:37 AM >
|  | | | Posted by Timothy R. Pendergast
Actually, you might be right. Those little dinky "toy" 'biners are pretty fucking strong. I use them to support my hammock when I backpack, and they've held up me and a friend with no problem, even with a good amount of moving around.
Since the weave of the fence would "give" a little bit, it's not really rigid enough, and wouldn't be suddenly loaded like if one used it for climbing pro and fell. I think it would work.
Maybe I'll do some super unscientific load testing tomorrow.
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Mine say they support 200lbs, that should cover most people, and maybe gear no problem, but u can buy intermediate ones as well, so its not a full size biner.
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<Reply # 41 on 5/10/2007 1:49 AM >
| | | | Posted by Timothy R. Pendergast
There's chain link out there with holes that are about 1.5" square. The zipties wouldn't be holding your full body weight, either. The weight would be distributed between 4 of them at a time, and if it's really sketchy, use two for each hold.
Sometimes it really doesn't matter what people think...it's hard to make a case for intent, and that's something I would take my chances on. I don't mind being detained, it's criminal charges (that I can't beat) that I have problems with. There is no listing in MGLs for "posession of kidnapper's accoutrements" or "posession of restraints", and not many people would think they could be used as steps for climbing. I think that makes the chances of a DA being willing to pursue charges low enough to take the risk.
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Trust me they would get a cop's attention. Why would anyone carry heavy duty 18" cable ties unless doing service work?
Again not needed; it's easier to scale a fence at a gate (and faster) then to play around like that.
I think it's just one more thing to get tangled up in.
Keep it simple...
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Timothy R. Pendergast
Location: Columbia, SC
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 42 on 5/10/2007 1:55 AM >
| | | | I'm not going to argue with you on what would and would not get attention. I prefer to not even interact with the police, but having a handful of cable ties run through your belt loops behind your belt is NOT something that attracts attention in a casual encounter.
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Glass
  
Location: Chicago
as one does
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<Reply # 43 on 5/10/2007 1:59 AM >
| | | | Posted by Timothy R. Pendergast
I'm not going to argue with you on what would and would not get attention. I prefer to not even interact with the police, but having a handful of cable ties run through your belt loops behind your belt is NOT something that attracts attention in a casual encounter.
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Whenever I have a 'asual encounter', I get patted down first thing. Maybe it's just me, though... I think this thread could have ended (should have?) with ryan's last post.
[last edit 5/10/2007 2:00 AM by Glass - edited 1 times]
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NoSuchPerson
 
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<Reply # 44 on 5/10/2007 3:51 AM >
| | | | Posted by Timothy R. Pendergast
but having a handful of cable ties run through your belt loops behind your belt is NOT something that attracts attention in a casual encounter.
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I wouldn't be too sure about that. Picture this. The Police stop you for whatever reason. They see you with a bunch of cable ties on your belt. Of course they're going to ask you what they're for. It's the Police's job to be suspicious of everything. Infact, if someone were to see you at a site, and the Police got called, having zip-ties would be more than enough reason for them to investigate much further. I don't know about the US, but in Canada, all the Police need to detain you and/or investigate further is probable cause. If they see you monkeying around somewhere (or they get a call saying such) and find you with cable ties without a good reason (IE, in your tool box for work or whatever), that's probable cause to dig deeper.
Here's an idea. Instead of gimmicks/tools to climb a fence - how about just learning/practicing to climb the damn thing without any accessories?
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Timothy R. Pendergast
Location: Columbia, SC
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 45 on 5/10/2007 6:02 AM >
| | | | I can climb a fucking fence. Can you climb a fence with an M4, while wearing IBA, plates, a helmet, NODs on, wearing combat boots and all the accessories that we Americans use while shooting people in the field? If you can, you definitely can't do it as easily as you can while relatively unencumbered.
I'll take pics showing where I carry a pair of ASP restraints every single day without anyone noticing. I'm not talking about tucking them in the belt, I'm talking about running them behind the belt.
Please don't be stupid. It might piss me off so much that I have a seizure or something. I hate stupid people. |
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<Reply # 46 on 5/10/2007 6:45 AM >
| | | | Posted by Timothy R. Pendergast
I can climb a fucking fence. Can you climb a fence with an M4, while wearing IBA, plates, a helmet, NODs on, wearing combat boots and all the accessories that we Americans use while shooting people in the field? If you can, you definitely can't do it as easily as you can while relatively unencumbered.
I'll take pics showing where I carry a pair of ASP restraints every single day without anyone noticing. I'm not talking about tucking them in the belt, I'm talking about running them behind the belt.
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Heavy wire cutters in that case. More stealth to stay low, and not get tangled.
Maybe a Bangalore? Overkill is the American way 
ExKa|iBuR right though as far as us civies go. Even if a cop can't charge you for having something they think is "dirty", they can arrest you on other things and be real pricks about anything and everything possible.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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NoSuchPerson
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<Reply # 47 on 5/10/2007 6:46 AM >
| | | | Posted by Timothy R. Pendergast
I can climb a fucking fence. Can you climb a fence with an M4, while wearing IBA, plates, a helmet, NODs on, wearing combat boots
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Okay there Rambo... we're talking about UE, not anti-terrorism.
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NoSuchPerson
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<Reply # 48 on 5/10/2007 6:47 AM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
ExKa|iBuR right though as far as us civies go. Even if a cop can't charge you for having something they think is "dirty", they can arrest you on other things and be real pricks about anything and everything possible.
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Yep, exactly. They can charge you with whatever they want to. Sure, any charge that can't be backed up with evidence will be thrown out in court, but it doesn't stop them from giving you 6-12 months of bullshit to put up with. Sometimes that (combined with the expensive legal fees) are more than enough "punishment" for whatever they think you've done.
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<Reply # 49 on 5/10/2007 7:07 AM >
| | | | Posted by ExKa|iBuR
Yep, exactly. They can charge you with whatever they want to. Sure, any charge that can't be backed up with evidence will be thrown out in court, but it doesn't stop them from giving you 6-12 months of bullshit to put up with. Sometimes that (combined with the expensive legal fees) are more than enough "punishment" for whatever they think you've done.
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Exactly, and they know that!
It could easily be a grand or more (the retainer fee for a criminal attorney)!
It NEVER pays to piss off a cop.
The same cop can cut you slack just as easily; no one likes putting a nice guy in a jam.
Cops understand that, and most will back off if they think your on the level with them.
Resisting in anyway, lying, having too much to try to explain, being confrontational, etc. will yield bad results most times when dealing with a cop considering arrest or that is arresting you.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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<Reply # 51 on 5/10/2007 8:30 AM >
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Every inner-school first grader should have to watch that
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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CaptOrbit
Location: Sarasota, FL or Cincinnati, OH
Gender: Male
There you are, right back in the jungle again.
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<Reply # 52 on 5/10/2007 8:55 AM >
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That sums it up pretty nicely. Thanks for the link. 
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vic_vr6
Location: portland, or
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disco stu doesnt advertise.
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<Reply # 53 on 5/11/2007 2:17 AM >
| | | | fantastic link, im still cracking up.
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<Reply # 54 on 5/12/2007 7:41 AM >
| | | | Why is it that I can climb a fence with my backpack on while wearing combat boots?
I manage to get my feet to work in the holes. Shit people work out a bit, and you wouldn't need these types of things.
Although I do like the idea of the metal bars from the first post.
I also think that Air33's post with the rope, could be very handy in some situations. It doesn't take up room. I could climb up and secure it. I know of a few locations where I could use that thing, to help some people.
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hunter36
Location: Beaverbank, NS
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 55 on 5/17/2007 1:58 AM >
| | | | When dealing about fence just do what i do, I take a small butane torch with me and any time i run into a tall fence i cut it with the torch and walk through, When im done and come back out i melt the fence back together, a butane torch is good because the flame is blue and is heard to spot so it lowers the chance of being spotted, and the great thing is that the torch can fit in my pocket.
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inferno
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<Reply # 56 on 5/17/2007 8:32 AM >
| | | | Small pistols also work well. If you have a .22 or 9mm, you can just shoot the links until a section falls off. You can use an empty 2 liter as a silencer, so you don't attract attention.
*this technique also works for wooden fences, locked doors, unlocked doors, zombies. in some states this can be frowned upon by LEOs, but since most everyone seems to be using SWAT gear, tabi boots, and body armor, what the hell are the cops gonna do anyways?
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hunter36
Location: Beaverbank, NS
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 57 on 5/18/2007 5:39 PM >
| | | | If that was directed towards my comment i will have you no the flame is blue and almost impossible to see in the dark.
That isn’t just a chill down your spine, yes be paranoid. |
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femaledragonx
Location: Detroit & Everywhere Else I can dream up to go to
The singularity is near
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<Reply # 58 on 5/18/2007 6:12 PM >
| | | | can someone post a link to these zip ties?
i am familiar with the ones i use at home to bind wires and cables together.
i want to get a better picture of what item you are all speaking of having to explain to police/security.
are they huge or something? can't you put some on your backpack or tripod and say you bring them in case your gear falls apart?
i carry some ziplock straps with me in case i need to strap my tripod to my bag. i also carry medical tongs to pry film out if it gets stuck in my camera, and i often worry they might accuse me of stealing it.
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Recoil
Location: Halifax, NS
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 59 on 5/19/2007 3:22 AM >
| | | | They would work incredibly well for people like me.
I wear a size 12 shoe, chain link fences above a pretty short height are sometimes impossible to get over.
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