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 Scaggs
       
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<Reply # 20 on 2/20/2007 11:13 PM >
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Yeah, and they are also triple the price. If you want to donate the difference, please let me know 
Edit: I am open the alternatives! If you can give me a quote for a better server than what I have chosen for the same (or less) money, please let me know.
-av
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Dump Windows and learn PHP/Linux. It's not that hard and you'll save a boatload of cash in the process. No ridiculous licensing fees either.
And definitely the Xeons blow the AMDs out of the water on any day.
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Washu
Location: Ottawa
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 21 on 2/20/2007 11:25 PM >
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Yeah, and they are also triple the price. If you want to donate the difference, please let me know
Edit: I am open the alternatives! If you can give me a quote for a better server than what I have chosen for the same (or less) money, please let me know.
-av
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If you are willing to forgo the remote access card, a Dell PowerEdge 860 with a faster Core 2 Xeon 3050 and otherwise comparable specs (2 X 250 GB HDs and RAID card included) is $2,213 + Tax = $2522.82.
HP might have something too, but I know Dell equipment the best.
Does the Sun include a RAID card for that price?
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Mickael
 
Moderator
Location: Canada
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 22 on 2/21/2007 12:51 AM >
| | | | Posted by Scaggs
Dump Windows and learn PHP/Linux. It's not that hard and you'll save a boatload of cash in the process. No ridiculous licensing fees either.
And definitely the Xeons blow the AMDs out of the water on any day.
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I don't think that this is an option, since Av would need to rewrite the whole site.
Need forum-related help / Besoin d'aide reliée au forum ? Contact a moderator |
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c1rc4
Location: Northern Virginia
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 23 on 2/21/2007 12:57 AM >
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I don't think that this is an option, since Av would need to rewrite the whole site.
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Actually fairly simple. We created a program to convert from ASP to PHP and vise versa for a website i worked with
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'Dukes
Noble Donor
Gender: Male
At least someone llikes me
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<Reply # 24 on 2/21/2007 2:22 AM >
| | | | My website runs on a sick platform; a modified timex sinclair running a killer core processor from a commodore 64, graphics card from a TRS 80 color computer hooked up to a bitchin 5 1/4 inch floppy at 1.44 meg; killer stuff. And it runs on BASIC. So far I'm happy with it.
Next year I'm going to upgrade the memory to ... get this.. twin 8 inch floppy drives from Radio shack. Nice. After that I might even invest in a daisy wheel printer, but they are loud as a bastard I hear.
Good luck with the fancy equipment Av, don't take shit off nobody!
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Agent Skelly
Web Sheriff
Location: Oregon Territory
Gender: Male
Prenez De L'Avance Avec Chrysler!
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<Reply # 25 on 2/21/2007 3:15 AM >
| | | | Posted by Scaggs
Dump Windows and learn PHP/Linux. It's not that hard and you'll save a boatload of cash in the process. No ridiculous licensing fees either.
And definitely the Xeons blow the AMDs out of the water on any day.
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Av will do that if you dump Linux and PHP for Windows and ASP 
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cjb
Location: Sept-îles/Saint-John's/Corner Brooks/Montréal/Sydney
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 26 on 2/21/2007 3:17 AM >
| | | | Thats a bunch of good news, Av. Thanks for the website and the quality service you give us.
By curiosity, how much webspace UER.ca currently uses? including all the forums and all the pictures in the DB?
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JC
Location: Augusta Georgia
Gender: Male
Keying up @ KJ4ZNR
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<Reply # 27 on 2/21/2007 3:34 AM >
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Av will do that if you dump Linux and PHP for Windows and ASP
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Theres no comparing besides Scaggs is an IT guy like me, He know windows already but their licensing structure is completely out of whack.
JC
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Avatar-X
Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
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<Reply # 28 on 2/21/2007 3:34 AM >
| | | | Posted by Scaggs
Dump Windows and learn PHP/Linux. It's not that hard and you'll save a boatload of cash in the process. No ridiculous licensing fees either.
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Er, no thanks.
I prefer to use an operating system where it's clear and easy how to configure it, and you don't need to edit tons of hidden config files just to have a firewall or virtual hosts or restricted access to a folder. No thank you.
Never mind the obvious problem that none of my code, none of my applications, and none of my Active-X COM plugins would work on Linux. It would not be a gain, it would be a huge loss.
You linux zealots are always saying "windows sucks, go to linux" but you never seem to consider the whole picture. There's more at stake than licensing fees.
| If you are willing to forgo the remote access card, a Dell PowerEdge 860 with a faster Core 2 Xeon 3050 and otherwise comparable specs (2 X 250 GB HDs and RAID card included) is $2,213 + Tax = $2522.82. |
Yeah, no. I want a server, not a toy. One of the reasons I am so impressed with the sun is that it has the remote management card. This way I can fix problems without having to schedule a datacenter visit.
| HP might have something too, but I know Dell equipment the best. |
Says who? I certainly don't trust them for desktop computers -- why should I trust them for Servers?
| Does the Sun include a RAID card for that price? |
Yes, it does. Hot-swap SATA.
| By curiosity, how much webspace UER.ca currently uses? including all the forums and all the pictures in the DB? |
About 70gb.
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Washu
Location: Ottawa
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 29 on 2/21/2007 3:56 AM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
Yeah, no. I want a server, not a toy. One of the reasons I am so impressed with the sun is that it has the remote management card. This way I can fix problems without having to schedule a datacenter visit.
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The Dell is no toy, it can be configured with a remote managment card, but that puts it's price above the SUN. Price diference is mainly due to the better Xeon CPU. Also, as I point out below, the "toy" has a real RAID card for that price, not a BIOS/driver hack like the SUN has.
Also, if you get the drives included (from anyone, not just Dell) you get the benafit of one warrentee point of contact.
Says who? I certainly don't trust them for desktop computers -- why should I trust them for Servers?
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I never said Dell was the best (nor would I ever make such a claim). I said I KNOW Dells the best. I'm most familiar with their product lineup compaired to my knowledge of other companies offerings. I've had good luck with both Dells and SUNs. HPs are so-so in my experience, but everyone has thier biases.
Yes, it does. Hot-swap SATA.
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Good, but from the tech specs it's a "fake raid", ie done by the BIOS/driver. The Dell has a real hardware raid card for that price.
Make sure it comes with (or you can acquire cheaply) the drive sleds if it comes with no drives.
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sphinx
Location: Bellevue, WA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 30 on 2/21/2007 4:00 AM >
| | | | From my experience Dell makes crappy products and has terrible support.
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c1rc4
Location: Northern Virginia
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 31 on 2/21/2007 4:07 AM >
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From my experience Dell makes crappy products and has terrible support.
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I agree with that.
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Avatar-X
Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
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<Reply # 32 on 2/21/2007 4:46 AM >
| | | | Posted by Washu
Good, but from the tech specs it's a "fake raid", ie done by the BIOS/driver. The Dell has a real hardware raid card for that price.
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So? It's better than the $200 that Dell charges to add a RAID card to your system.
I'm still not convinced that these procs are faster. Can you prove it? Also, was your quote in Canadian or American dollars, and does it include shipping?
-av
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Xanadu
Location: Las Vegas NV
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 33 on 2/21/2007 4:55 AM >
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My website runs on a ..
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yee got some artsy fartsy fancy file congingle ther. I got my website on a IINTAL 40000004 1Mhz procazor, with 8 bit shift registors memory and a dota matrigz printor, on a blazing fast AT&T FAXES Modam 14.4KiloBites PERR Secon!
From the looks of it your running RAID1, I don't know if I would trust RAID 1. I know, hard drives are very reliable these days, and RAID controllers and pretty proven technology. I assume your buying two identical hard drives, whats to say thats a bad batch and both fail. I know you have some back up system, but this server is to really stop UER downtime. I would hate to have drives fail left and right.
[last edit 2/21/2007 5:12 AM by Avatar-X - edited 1 times]
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Washu
Location: Ottawa
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 34 on 2/21/2007 4:57 AM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
So? It's better than the $200 that Dell charges to add a RAID card to your system.
I'm still not convinced that these procs are faster. Can you prove it? Also, was your quote in Canadian or American dollars, and does it include shipping?
-av
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I'll admit a mistake. The SUN X2100 has a "fake RAID". The SUN X2100 M2 (which is what AV is talking about) has a real RAID or none at all. "RAID 0/1/0+1 with optional 4-port SAS HBA" (from SUN's site). I can't find a price (it's late) but that does imply it costs extra just like the Dell.
I'll look around for some benchmarks tomorrow if you like (again, it's late), but a 2.13 GHz Core 2 is definitely faster than a 2.4 GHz A64.
Price was in Canadian, did not check shipping.
I'm not bashing the SUN, just pointing out something comparable. The SUNs we have at work are good, just slow as heck because they are Ultra Sparc IIs.
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Some benchmarks: http://www.anandte...oc.aspx?i=2795&p=8
Not the greatest, but look at the E6300 at 1.83 GHz. In many tests it beats out the 2.4 GHz X2 4600 or is very close. The E6600 at 2.4 beats it solidly every time. The 3050 is a 2.13 GHz chip and should outperform the 4600. I'll keep looking.
Edit 2: Fixed AMD CPU typo.
[last edit 2/21/2007 5:16 AM by Washu - edited 2 times]
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sphinx
Location: Bellevue, WA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 35 on 2/21/2007 4:58 AM >
| | | | You could just have raid 1 with a backup drive. Maybe even two drives in raid 1 for the backup.
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c1rc4
Location: Northern Virginia
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 36 on 2/21/2007 5:07 AM >
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I know, hard drives are very reliable these days, and RAID controllers and pretty proven technology. I assume your buying two identical hard drives, whats to say thats a bad batch and both fail.
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Unreliable actually. I've seen more drives fail that were manufactured in the past few years then ones from 7-10 years ago.
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Xanadu
Location: Las Vegas NV
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 37 on 2/21/2007 5:15 AM >
| | | | Posted by c1rc4
Unreliable actually. I've seen more drives fail that were manufactured in the past few years then ones from 7-10 years ago.
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True that, I got some old ones still running, yet my new WD dies (I hate you WD!). However seagates are pretty reliable new and old.
Posted by sphinx
You could just have raid 1 with a backup drive. Maybe even two drives in raid 1 for the backup.
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RAID 1 is two drives. You could do RAID 5 (but I dont know too much about RAID 5 to comment on its reliability, I do know it is slower though. Something to do with the striping), You could do a Mirror of a Mirror (I think). 4 HDDs, 2 RAID 1 Mirrors, inside of a Mirror, RAID 1+1.
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Avatar-X
Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
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<Reply # 38 on 2/21/2007 5:15 AM >
| | | | Oh, give me a break. What's the real chance of BOTH of my raid 1 drives failing before I get a chance to replace the first failed one? Stop being so full of crap.
Hard drives are way more reliable now, if you treat them right. The only drives I have had fail on me in the last 5 years are IBM DeathStars, and Quantum pieces of shit, and Maxtor. Don't buy maxtor.
The Sun X2100 M2 that I am getting comes with hardware RAID. It says so on the tech specs page.
-av
huskies - such fluff. |
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Avatar-X
Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
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<Reply # 39 on 2/21/2007 5:16 AM >
| | | | Posted by Crazydeep74
RAID 1 is two drives. You could do RAID 5 (but I dont know too much about RAID 5 to comment on its reliability, I do know it is slower though. Something to do with the striping), You could do a Mirror of a Mirror (I think). 4 HDDs, 2 RAID 1 Mirrors, inside of a Mirror, RAID 1+1.
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The server supports up to 2 drives. The chance of both RAID drives failing at the same time is insignificant.
-av
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