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Poll Question:
Which Option would you take? | | Total Votes: | 69 | | 1. Option 2 | 3 | 4.35 % | 
| | 2. Option 3 | 66 | 95.65 % |
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Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
 |  |  | Hosting Options, part 2
< on 2/15/2007 4:42 AM >
|  | | | Alright, so I've had some more time to look at my options specifically.
In the other thread, it's a close tie between "stick with 1&1" and "don't", and if you look at the options alone, "buy your own server" wins.
Here are my options now:
1. Stick with 1&1.
I'm not really considering this. Why? Like I said in the other thread, it's not the downtime, it's the lack of proper information and support. Not even knowing what's going on with my server is worse than it being down.
2. Get a dedicated server with ThePlanet
ThePlanet has a good history of being on the ball. They have a nice server package that costs $199/mo. (That's $50 US more than I am paying now).
3. Colo a server.
I've found a good deal on colocation here in Toronto, at the renowned facility 151 Front Street. It's quite literally the best datacenter in Canada -- not to be joked about. Power and network uptimes are pretty much guaranteed, reducing the only point of failure to the server itself. And since it would be my server, I would be able to actually go there and see what's up.
So, options 2 and 3 are the ones I'm looking at now. Let's examine the pro's and cons.
Dedicated Hosting with ThePlanet
PROS
Good reputation in the business
24/7 support that's actually in the same continent
Phone reps can contact datacenter to see what's going on
No need to worry about hardware costs
CONS
I'm still at their mercy, no matter what their reputation is.
It's not cheap. $2400 US a year.
It's not my server, so all that money pretty much goes nowhere.
Any hardware upgrades are billed at high prices (such as more HD space)
If there is a data problem, I have to pay them to fix it since I'm not there.
I'd be under ThePlanet's terms of service, which could be a legal hot spot
Buying a server and Colocating in Toronto
PROS
It's about $85 US a month for hosting in the best datacenter in the country
Power is guaranteed 100%, and connectivity is guaranteed 99.995% up.
I'd own the server, so larger hard drives or other hardware could be purchased at normal rates and only my own time would be used
The hosting is in Canada, so no worries about the US Gov shutting us down
No real terms of service that I need to adhere to -- No worries about site getting shut down without a police order or something.
If there's a problem, I can actually go there to fix it!
Once the server is paid for, the monthly "donation request" would go down to only $85!
CONS
High initial cost (I'm looking at about $1500 for a nice dual-core Sun server, 1U)
That's really the only con.
So, for the reasons outlined above, I'm leaning heavily towards Colocation in Toronto. So, the question is: Which do you think I should take (see poll), and, would you donate to the "UER's Own Server" fund to cover the cost of a shiny new box for us to move to? (reply in thread)
Your lovable site admin,
-av
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IrIsHmOm
Location: San Joaquin Valley, CA
Gender: Female
I'll kill your face...
| |  | | Re: Hosting Options, part 2
<Reply # 1 on 2/15/2007 4:47 AM >
| | | | If you DO switch, how much down-time would you have while the switch was taking place?
(Not sure if this was mentioned before in the last thread or not.. It got to crazy long to go through...)
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Factor VIII
 
Location: tu5t1n
Gender: Male
The Legacy
| | | Re: Hosting Options, part 2
<Reply # 2 on 2/15/2007 4:50 AM >
| | | | I've honestly heard bad things about theplanet. And I think It would be better to build your own because then you actually own the hardware. And of course all the other pro's you listed.
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Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
| | | Re: Hosting Options, part 2
<Reply # 3 on 2/15/2007 4:57 AM >
| | | | Posted by IrIsHmOm
If you DO switch, how much down-time would you have while the switch was taking place?
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No matter who I switch to, it would probably be at least 12 hours of downtime.
The biggest factor in the downtime is the amount of time it takes to transfer the UER database from the old host to the new one. But, if I was to build the server myself, I could load the database onto it locally before it gets installed into the datacenter.
Anyway, either way there will be some downtime and some set up time. But it will be planned. 
-av
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JeepXJ
 
Location: San Jose, CA
Gender: Male
| | Re: Hosting Options, part 2
<Reply # 4 on 2/15/2007 6:11 AM >
| | | | I went with option 3, and sure, i'd donate. It's not like you're just going to run off with the server and not put UER back on it. It sounds like a better option overall.
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blackhawk
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Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
| | | Re: Hosting Options, part 2
<Reply # 5 on 2/15/2007 6:13 AM >
| | | | There will always be some down time, but it's not the end of the world. A crashed server with no backup and no on the shelf replacement parts, may not be as good a deal as it first appears. Plus any hardware repair will be your own time Av.
Perhaps the current provider has learned a lesson in customer service...at least with one of it's customers.
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Agent Skelly
Web Sheriff
Location: Oregon Territory
Gender: Male
Prenez De L'Avance Avec Chrysler!
| |  | | | Re: Hosting Options, part 2
<Reply # 6 on 2/15/2007 7:29 AM >
| | | | Av, I think in the case of UER, it will be a good thing moving this to your own server at a co-location facility down the street from you basically because of the complexity of the software setup on this site.
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MutantMandias
Perverse and Often Baffling
Location: Atlanta, GA
Gender: Male
Are you a reporter? Contact me for a UE interview! Also not averse to the the idea of group/anal.
| | | Re: Hosting Options, part 2
<Reply # 7 on 2/15/2007 1:10 PM >
| | | | And since it is entirely clear that you are really only interested in the colo server at this point, I think you should go with that. It looks like you are still "considering" The Planet, just because you think you should, but you have no desire to go that way.
I guess your real question is, how many people are wiling to contribute to get your server. It might take a little while, but you'll get there. There are enough Samurai-like shut-ins who will lose all touch with reality from fear of another down time that they will do whatever you say.
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Umpire
Location: Shahre:'on Kaybec
Bonsoir et cest partie
| | Re: Hosting Options, part 2
<Reply # 8 on 2/15/2007 1:25 PM >
| | | | i like the colo option, some COLO places if you buy from them give a hardware service contract for a song. If they cant call a place like decsision one , they have offices in toronto the good, and im sure they can make you a nice deal on a hardware contract, usually SBD
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yokes
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
| | | | Re: Hosting Options, part 2
<Reply # 9 on 2/15/2007 1:50 PM >
| | | | Option 3 and I'd donate. 151 is legendary.
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xAme
Location: Montreal
Gender: Male
Fight with the best; die like the rest
| | | Re: Hosting Options, part 2
<Reply # 10 on 2/15/2007 1:50 PM >
| | | | I'd go with option three and would be willing to donate in order to achieve that goal.
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Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
| | | Re: Hosting Options, part 2
<Reply # 11 on 2/15/2007 2:06 PM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
Perhaps the current provider has learned a lesson in customer service...at least with one of it's customers.
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I don't think they will. I haven't even received an explanation or an apology yet. Nobody there seems to be willing to take responsibility, and I can't really handle that anymore.
-av
huskies - such fluff. |
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big dave
Location: SoCal
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Hosting Options, part 2
<Reply # 12 on 2/15/2007 2:20 PM >
| | | | Option 3 baby, go for it big guy!
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el nerdo
 
Chief UER Lackey
Gender: Male
What are you, from the Department of Know'm Sayin's? You takin' a Know'm census?
| | | Re: Hosting Options, part 2
<Reply # 13 on 2/15/2007 3:10 PM >
| | | | Just think!
If you're at 151, you can sign in one or two people with you as "technical advisers" and show them the place! ;)
Seriously, though... if you can get 151 for $85 a month, durrrr.
Let's do the math:
1&1 = $1800 USD / year
ThePlanet = $2400 USD / year
151 = $1020 USD / year (+$1200 hardware)
Still cheaper than The Planet, and not much more expensive than what you have now... with the bonus of owning your own hardware, 24/7 local access, and complete control.
Question, though... you mention a 1U Sun server... does that mean you're going to have to port to Solaris? How's all your asp stuff going to run on this? Will Solaris do what you need?
As far as raising the money, I think it's time for a fundraising drive!
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Hlywud
Location: Lethbridge, AB
Gender: Female
| | | Re: Hosting Options, part 2
<Reply # 14 on 2/15/2007 3:49 PM >
| | | | Option 3, I'll donate
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IrIsHmOm
Location: San Joaquin Valley, CA
Gender: Female
I'll kill your face...
| | | | Re: Hosting Options, part 2
<Reply # 15 on 2/15/2007 3:52 PM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
No matter who I switch to, it would probably be at least 12 hours of downtime.
The biggest factor in the downtime is the amount of time it takes to transfer the UER database from the old host to the new one. But, if I was to build the server myself, I could load the database onto it locally before it gets installed into the datacenter.
Anyway, either way there will be some downtime and some set up time. But it will be planned.
-av
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That's not bad at all.. I think everybody could deal with planned down-time (or I at least hope they can...) I'll warm up my pay-pal for option 3. ^_~
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Arc_Tangent
Arrr, I'm a PIRATE!
Location: Steel-Town
NYAH!!!
| | | Re: Hosting Options, part 2
<Reply # 16 on 2/15/2007 3:56 PM >
| | | | Yeah, I think in the longrun option three is the cheapest way to go, and you won't have to deal with call centres. The downtime isn't an issue, really. You'll be saving a lot of money.
I'll pitch in when I start working again!
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Jonsered
Location: Back in New Mexico where I belong
Gender: Male
Dressed for a scarecrow ball.........
| |  | | Re: Hosting Options, part 2
<Reply # 17 on 2/15/2007 4:00 PM >
| | | | Option 3. That way you own your own server, instead of basically renting one. Sounds like the difference in monthly cost once the server is paid for will actually save money for everybody in the long run. I'll sure donate.
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Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
| | | Re: Hosting Options, part 2
<Reply # 18 on 2/15/2007 4:01 PM >
| | | | Posted by el nerdo
Question, though... you mention a 1U Sun server... does that mean you're going to have to port to Solaris? How's all your asp stuff going to run on this? Will Solaris do what you need?
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Apparently Sun makes regular Intel boxes, capable of running Windows.
-av
huskies - such fluff. |
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Alvin
Location: Montreal
Gender: Male
Photography & Sound
| | Re: Hosting Options, part 2
<Reply # 19 on 2/15/2007 4:31 PM >
| | | | Option 3 man , I imagine that the initial cost shoudltn be a problem if lets say every member donated a dollar, multiply that by the number of members (currently 15883 ) and voila you have more than you need, so you can also upgrade it and stuff, now to be realistic, not alot of members donate or are capable of , so that might be a bit of a problem , but if the members care to see the site sustained I think they will donate extra at least once for the cost to be fulfilled , and that will then solve alot of problems as you mentioned. thats my opinion about it .
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