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1 2 3 4   UER Forum > Archived Forum Announcements > Hosting options moving forward? Your opinion... (Viewed 1688 times) Poll Question: What should I do with UER's hosting for the future? Total Votes: 117 1. Stick with the current host, 1&1. It may have gone down, but it's been fine for over a year. 13 11.11 % 2. Stick with 1&1, but try to weasel a big refund out of them for the downtime. 43 36.75 % 3. Find another, more reliable, more personable dedicated host. If the server goes down, they should be on top of it and not make you jump through hoops. (note: estimates are around $250 or so per month, more than I am paying now) 10 8.55 % 4. Buy your own server ($1000 or so) and colocate it somewhere. It'll be cheaper in the long run. Get the community to donate towards the cause. 51 43.59 % Avatar-X  Alpha Husky Location: West Coast Gender: Male yay!  |  |  Hosting options moving forward? Your opinion... < on 2/8/2007 7:29 PM >   Alright, so now that we're back online (for now) from that downtime, I wanted the opinion of the community on this issue. Please note: For any of the options involving more donations, the answers will only be meaningful if you've actually donated in the past. For reference: My current hosting is with 1&1, and the monthly expense is $150 US/mo. I have a dedicated server -- it does not belong to me, but I have full administrative access. If you are going to suggest a hosting option, please realize that "shared hosting" is not an option. It has to be a dedicated Windows Server box. [last edit 2/8/2007 7:33 PM by Avatar-X - edited 1 times] huskies - such fluff. big dave  Location: SoCal Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Hosting options moving forward? Your opinion... <Reply # 1 on 2/8/2007 7:50 PM >   Im sure everyone here would donate to buy a server. I think you should keep the current host until you can afford one. As far as finding a place to host YOUR server, try to find something local so you can visit it in person when repairs need to be made. Thats just my opinion. An armed society, is a polite society. So lets get to it! yokes  Location: Toronto Gender: Male I aim to misbehave  |  |  |  Re: Hosting options moving forward? Your opinion... <Reply # 2 on 2/8/2007 7:50 PM >   I'd say a combo of 2 and 4. Start a separate fund raising drive to buy a server, but in the meantime, try to get a discount from them. "Great architecture has only two natural enemies: water and stupid men." - Richard Nickel Scaggs  Gender: Male  |  Re: Hosting options moving forward? Your opinion... <Reply # 3 on 2/8/2007 7:58 PM >   Solid dedicated hosting for $150-$250 a month with no outsourcing? Good luck. I have a provider in mind and we serve over a million hits a day with them and rarely experience downtime. They're located in Rochester, NY and they have a fully redundant data center, off-site backup, etc etc. We serve content for Careerbuilder.com, Monster.com, NY Times, Wall Street Journal, etc. They're very reliable and they don't outsource to overseas tech support. We've been with them for 7+ years now. Our dedicated box is roughly $425 a month. What's your bandwidth requirements? I assume you need IIS with MSSQL and ASP support. seany  Location: Santa Clara, California, USA Gender: Male  |  |  |  |  |  Re: Hosting options moving forward? Your opinion... <Reply # 4 on 2/8/2007 8:02 PM >   you say shared hosting isn't an option... What about windows running in a virtual machine? KublaKhan  Location: Edinburgh, Scotland With Satan, it's always gimmie, gimmie.  |  Re: Hosting options moving forward? Your opinion... <Reply # 5 on 2/8/2007 8:13 PM >   Of course...getting the community to invest in an AV SERVER necessarily means that they are investing in the UER site, and as such will have a greater claim in how it is run. "The truth is knowable. But probably not, ever, incontrovertible." --Don DeLillo PICS Sinister Crayon  Location: Colorado Gender: Male  |  Re: Hosting options moving forward? Your opinion... <Reply # 6 on 2/8/2007 8:15 PM >   Posted by seany you say shared hosting isn't an option... What about windows running in a virtual machine? Virtual machines take up a lot of resources. Plus, the resources that this site take up are way to great to even think about shared hosting. Posted by KublaKhan Of course...getting the community to invest in an AV SERVER necessarily means that they are investing in the UER site, and as such will have a greater claim in how it is run. Ditto that my brother. [last edit 2/8/2007 8:16 PM by Sinister Crayon - edited 1 times] desmet  When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.  |  |  |  Re: Hosting options moving forward? Your opinion... <Reply # 7 on 2/8/2007 8:24 PM >   This is what hosting providers do, unless you pay them a shitload of money. Samurai  Vehicular Lord Rick Location: northeastern New York No matter where you go, there you are...  |  Re: Hosting options moving forward? Your opinion... <Reply # 8 on 2/8/2007 8:52 PM >   overall, your experience with your provider has been somewhat successful. There have been bumps, sure, but that is the nature of the beast. I think what you really need to ask yourself is this: A) Am I going to be doing this for a long time? b) Is this a justifiable expense? c) has this been THAT big an inconvenience? i mean, personally, i hate jumping through hoops, but putting down an assload of cash down on your own server is a pretty big investment on something that is more or less your hobby. If asked, i'll contribute to the cause, albeit i've been really stingy these past couple of years... I'm not sure that this question should start at the community... i think it should start in your head, Av. Samurai big dave  Location: SoCal Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Hosting options moving forward? Your opinion... <Reply # 9 on 2/8/2007 9:03 PM >   I have a question out of curiousity. What would the specs on a server be needed to run this site? An armed society, is a polite society. So lets get to it! Darkwolf  Mellow Moderator Location: Florida... Again... Gender: Male I fix things!  |  Re: Hosting options moving forward? Your opinion... <Reply # 10 on 2/8/2007 9:21 PM >   I say stick with them for now. If you switch or get your own server you still can't guarantee that it will not go down again. If you buy your own server and it crashes now your out more money to repair it. Dark *Best Post Ever* any meetups to go to the malt plant? I'll join and be the first one over, so you know I'm not a cop. Also I'll bring beer. *DO NOT MESSAGE ME WITH ISSUES. PLEASE USE CONTACT A MODERATOR* Avatar-X  Alpha Husky Location: West Coast Gender: Male yay!  |  |  Re: Hosting options moving forward? Your opinion... <Reply # 11 on 2/8/2007 9:24 PM >   What's your bandwidth requirements? UER uses about 300-500 gb a month. you say shared hosting isn't an option... What about windows running in a virtual machine? I don't think so -- that's going to be pretty slow. Of course...getting the community to invest in an AV SERVER necessarily means that they are investing in the UER site, and as such will have a greater claim in how it is run. Erm, no. This isn't a publically traded company; you aren't buying stocks. You would be making a donation to the cause. Obviously, I will hold the requests of donors in high regard and will try to help them out more in return for their generosity, but I'm not selling off UER piece by piece. A) Am I going to be doing this for a long time? I'll keep UER online as long as I can, as long as I have time to, or as long as I/the community can afford to. Whichever comes first. b) Is this a justifiable expense? Sure it is -- UER is still the largest and most popular UE site online. c) has this been THAT big an inconvenience? Yeah, it has. My email runs through the server and it was a nightmare. But what made it worse was not knowing what went wrong and that anything was being worked on, thanks to the ineptitude of 1&1. What would the specs on a server be needed to run this site? Current specs are a p4 3.4 with 2gb of ram -- I'd probably need at least that because UER often bogs the server down when it's under heavy load. huskies - such fluff. TurboZutek  King Dick Location: Scotland Gender: Male Giant octo-penised rapephant  |  |  |  Re: Hosting options moving forward? Your opinion... <Reply # 12 on 2/8/2007 9:41 PM >   Would a community BUILT box be any good? I mean, I'm pretty sure we could scrape together the PARTS to build a kick ass server between us - and while I can't send a case or steel rack mount kit in the mail to Canada: well, I could sure send a CPU or some RAM. The closer you are to it's location - the bigger the item you could send, I guess. $1000 just seems WAY steep for anything other than a second-hand car, in my opinion. Chris... We all had ostriches. My dad had an ostrich farm! I remember one day someone came in and said the high altitude bombing of Kosovo had been a limited success, so we all went out and celebrated… by killing an ostrich and boiling it in kiwi fruit. nostra-YOUPPI!  Umpire Location: Shahre:'on Kaybec Bonsoir et cest partie  |  Re: Hosting options moving forward? Your opinion... <Reply # 13 on 2/8/2007 9:43 PM >   Posted by turbozutek Would a community BUILT box be any good? I mean, I'm pretty sure we could scrape together the PARTS to build a kick ass server between us - and while I can't send a case or steel rack mount kit in the mail to Canada: well, I could sure send a CPU or some RAM. The closer you are to it's location - the bigger the item you could send, I guess. $1000 just seems WAY steep for anything other than a second-hand car, in my opinion. Chris... i agree, i know webhosting places that junk raid 5 4 cpu proliants, im sure in the second hand stream we could get a good box Montreal Expos 1969-2004 Forever Proud Lets Keep The Dream Alive Flik  Location: Fargo, ND Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Hosting options moving forward? Your opinion... <Reply # 14 on 2/8/2007 10:05 PM >   Hell, I've got a Proliant 7000 quad Xeon 500 with 4 gigs of RAM sitting upstairs in my house that a housemate does nothing with, but it's huge. I think he paid $200 for that. Even for a quad proc system though it's outdated and likely wouldn't suit how UER runs. I'm sure Av will determine his best option soon. mewthree  Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Hosting options moving forward? Your opinion... <Reply # 15 on 2/8/2007 10:07 PM >   Well I would say save up for a new server. Also now they have the DDR2 ram which I hear is pretty fast and around $100-150 for a gig.. so it's almost the right time to jump in there (right as the new standard is out) .. plus the cost of a server is only a few months rent on the other server. Another thing, it will be nice knowing that only you have first hand access to our accounts. And hey, if you build a server big enough you might even be able to rent out space on it to another site maybe. Another option which might not be that great is you can get one of those pre-built Dell servers and pay per month for it. A place I worked bought one of those to replace the old one but I have no clue how well it worked or how reliable it was. Doesn't Dell give guarantees for their stuff though? Anyways, I dont really like Dell computers or those MDG ones, they seem to give the lower grade components (example; Celerons instead of pentiums) My mum have a 3+ ghz celeron and it runs slow as hell compared to my amd 2600 at 1.9 ghz (and her computer has nothing on it besides what comes with XP media) JeepXJ  Location: San Jose, CA Gender: Male  |  Re: Hosting options moving forward? Your opinion... <Reply # 16 on 2/8/2007 11:28 PM >   What about a bunch of smaller servers? I'm sure a few people on here are running servers, either as home business servers, or personal servers, and could donate space to the cause... kinda like a load distribution thing... I have no idea how you'd actauly make this work, but at least then you'd never go down because you'd have redundent servers all over the US & canada in addition to maybe one central comp... The only problem is that you'd have to compleatly trust other people to have that data siting on their machines and not screwing with it... same idea maybe, but have AV control them all... instead of buying one 2000 dollar server, he could buy like 4 less powerful computers and have them work as a cluster. More if we could sent him any half decent machines... Just thinking out loud, -Jeep 06:01:50] <Chris> i mean im retarded and im not that awkward "You mean over saturated photos and macro shots of pealing paint isn’t historically relevant?" -TDK1000 [00:12:02] <yota94> he just called us bitches [00:12:04] *** JeepXJ has joined #general [00:12:15] <JeepXJ> you guys are bitches! [00:12:16] *** JeepXJ has quit AvChat (connection closed by user) [00:12:23] <Deuterium> that w el nerdo  Chief UER Lackey Gender: Male What are you, from the Department of Know'm Sayin's? You takin' a Know'm census?  |  |  Re: Hosting options moving forward? Your opinion... <Reply # 17 on 2/8/2007 11:47 PM >   I say stick with a dedicated hosting option. You have a server you co-lo... here's some concerns: 1. What happens when a component fails? It needs to get fixed on your dime, which may or may not be serious. Not to mention that if your co-lo is far away, you're going to have to pay them to work on the machine: $$$. 2. Redundancy? $1000 for a server? There's no redundancy in a server that price. Hot swappable drives, RAID 5, etc.... You want a real server that will provide 5 9's uptime? $5000 and up, easy. 3. What happens in 2 years, 3 years, 4 years, when some new and improved technology comes along that you want to integrate into the site and you no longer have the horsepower to do so? Time for a new machine. $$$$. Stick with a dedicated host, and leave the hardware headaches at the door. 1&1 may not have the greatest response, but I can't say it's been too bad the past year. rainman8889  Location: H.T.S.F.C. Time to gain and a time to lose. Bye for now.  |  Re: Hosting options moving forward? Your opinion... <Reply # 18 on 2/9/2007 12:13 AM >   Stick with them for now, get the refund and keep track. Unfortunately, shit happens and for whatever reason, the outage was longer than expected. However, don't develop a short memory. (We'll help you there no doubt! ) Keep track of the outages and if they seem to be getting more frequent and longer, then it's time to move on. That's just my 2 cents worth. Gone for a while. Be back when I'm back. uem-Tux  Iron Wok Jan Location: Montreal Gender: Male UE Geek  |  |  |  Re: Hosting options moving forward? Your opinion... <Reply # 19 on 2/9/2007 12:52 AM >   Keep UER where it is (no hardware headaches, seems fairly affordable, uptimes pretty decent from what I've seen barring seldom-occuring disasters like the last one) get your own server for mail/essential stuff. I run my personal e-mail off a dinky little 1ghz celeron box on a 3mb DSL connection. It handles about 2800 messages a day for about 10 people. (damn spam) I've got DynDNS backup MX service for it (30$/year) so if the server goes down, my mail is still collected and comes in when the server's back up. This is probably not useful to you Av but I thought I'd throw in my $0.02 Urban Exploration Montreal Why are you the way that you are? UER Forum > Archived Forum Announcements > Hosting options moving forward? Your opinion... (Viewed 1688 times) 1 2 3 4   All content and images copyright © 2002-2024 UER.CA and respective creators. Graphical Design by Crossfire. To contact webmaster, or click to email with problems or other questions about this site: UER CONTACT View Terms of Service | View Privacy Policy | Server colocation provided by Beanfield This page was generated for you in 125 milliseconds. Since June 23, 2002, a total of 738495783 pages have been generated.