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Location: northeastern New York
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 |  | Re: Do you guys feel UEing is criminal trespassing?
<Reply # 20 on 11/30/2006 2:23 PM >
|  | | | Posted by Deuterium
I think it depends on how you get in.
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um, trespassing is trespassing.
it doesn't matter what adjective you put in front of it.
you're going places you're not supposed to go (thank you very much, mr ninjalicious)
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Deuterium
 
Location: PNW
Gender: Male
| | Re: Do you guys feel UEing is criminal trespassing?
<Reply # 21 on 12/1/2006 6:42 AM >
| | | | Posted by femaledragonx
what does "feel" have to do with it? i don't follow.
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Feel has a lot to do with the way we're looked and handled. So, I thought I'd gather what you people feel.
Eating a few jelly beans from the bulk sale container at the grocery store with the intent of not paying for them at check out is the same as boldly walking out of the store with a case of beer under the text of law. Law defines the asportation of the property of another with the intent to deprive it's owner of it permanently as larceny. Since the amount involved is <$20, they're both petty theft in most states/provinces as far as I know.
So, the law says they're the same, but anyone actually feel they would be looked at the same?
Going into McDonald's and sneaking past the restroom door as the previous user gets out when it is clearly marked "restrooms for customer only" when you have no intent of purchasing would also be "criminal trespassing". You're not a customer and you have no intent of buying anything, therefore and you have been ordered by the sign that you're not permitted to use it and you wilfully disregarded the posted signage.
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dogyeaars
| | Re: Do you guys feel UEing is criminal trespassing?
<Reply # 22 on 12/1/2006 6:58 AM >
| | | | Posted by Deuterium
I think it depends on how you get in.
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I'd say it's more to do with how fast you run out. So, what's up Deut ?
[last edit 12/1/2006 6:58 AM by dogyeaars - edited 1 times]
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DrranXCore
Location: Winnipeg
Gender: Male
Pigeons are fuckin' scary man
| |  | Re: Do you guys feel UEing is criminal trespassing?
<Reply # 23 on 12/7/2006 4:10 PM >
| | | | it's definitely trespassing, but most people, unless they're having a bad day will let you go if you can make them believe that you're just taking pictures (which is easier if that is what you're doing)
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Warchyld
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Gender: Male
Personal Text
| | Re: Do you guys feel UEing is criminal trespassing?
<Reply # 24 on 12/7/2006 8:51 PM >
| | | | Yes
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cockapotamus
Gender: Male
shh...
| | Re: Do you guys feel UEing is criminal trespassing?
<Reply # 25 on 12/7/2006 9:10 PM >
| | | | Regardless of how you feel, 97.3234234% of the time it is criminal trespassing. the local laws differ from state to state and township to township. But trespassing is trespassing I think your question was more from a moral/philosophical stand point than from the law. I think the real question is do you care enough not to go? and if so...can you keep yourself from getting caught?
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dundertits
Location: at the beginning
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| | Re: Do you guys feel UEing is criminal trespassing?
<Reply # 26 on 12/8/2006 12:55 AM >
| | | | Posted by Samurai
um, trespassing is trespassing.
it doesn't matter what adjective you put in front of it.
you're going places you're not supposed to go (thank you very much, mr ninjalicious)
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maybe but criminal trespass has some steeper penalties tagged to it...
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| |  | | Re: Do you guys feel UEing is criminal trespassing?
<Reply # 27 on 12/8/2006 1:07 AM >
| | | | Posted by Deuterium
I think it depends on how you get in.
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Thats silly. When your somewhere your not supposed to be, its trespassing and/or breaking and entering. Both are criminal acts. If you accept that you will be a lot better off dont try to down play things.
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dundertits
Location: at the beginning
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| | Re: Do you guys feel UEing is criminal trespassing?
<Reply # 28 on 12/8/2006 1:16 AM >
| | | | I agree with that , you mine as well own what you are doing to begin with...it comes with the hobby and give up thinking you'll get permission...
Kabbalah is an undramatic tradition that requires great patience and stability. One of the reasons for this tempo is that everyone has to mature his potential gradually and thoroughly at his natural pace. In this way his life's work unfolds at the right moment in his own and the cosmos's time.
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c1rc4
Location: Northern Virginia
Gender: Female
| | Re: Do you guys feel UEing is criminal trespassing?
<Reply # 29 on 12/8/2006 2:56 PM >
| | | | Posted by Deuterium
Since the amount involved is <$20, they're both petty theft in most states/provinces as far as I know.
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Petite Larceny is certainly not less than $20. Depending on your state it will be >$200, >$500, and so on. I was arrested for it and I know this.
Now into retail. Stores don't like to deal with it unless it is <$100. A lot won't prosecute unless you hit that mark, because it isn't worth their time. Some might.
Going into McDonald's and sneaking past the restroom door as the previous user gets out when it is clearly marked "restrooms for customer only" when you have no intent of purchasing would also be "criminal trespassing". You're not a customer and you have no intent of buying anything, therefore and you have been ordered by the sign that you're not permitted to use it and you wilfully disregarded the posted signage.
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No where does it say you are trespassing in a McdDonald's if you use the restroom. "Paying customers only" doesn't mean you can't use it. I've never seen a McDonald's, BK, Taco Bell, even a Gas Station that has a sign like that. Most don't care, and if they prosecute, they would look like a bunch of idiots.
Urban exploration is trespassing, you gained access to someone else's property without their permission. It can be a field, a roof, a house, anything. Now if they don't have a sign up that warns you that it is private property, no trespassing, etc, it can be handled differently. That has been my argument on some places as the way I came didn't have a sign or anything. Some places in other countries don't have these laws, but the United States and Canada do. Don't bother someone else's property unless you are willing to deal with the consequences that might come of it. Most likely a misdemeanor, but even that can carry jail time.
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el nerdo
   
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What are you, from the Department of Know'm Sayin's? You takin' a Know'm census?
| | | Re: Do you guys feel UEing is criminal trespassing?
<Reply # 30 on 12/8/2006 3:23 PM >
| | | | Posted by c1rc4
No where does it say you are trespassing in a McdDonald's if you use the restroom. "Paying customers only" doesn't mean you can't use it. I've never seen a McDonald's, BK, Taco Bell, even a Gas Station that has a sign like that. Most don't care, and if they prosecute, they would look like a bunch of idiots.
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Well, there are some McDonald's in Manhattan, for instance, where they have signs like that... but that's for the bums if they cause trouble.
That being said: McDonald's has NO problem with a regular Joe or Jane popping in to use the john and leaving without buying anything. Why? Because McDonald's knows they'll be back. It's actually part of their corporate policy.
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Torlough
Entropy, it eventually happens
| | | Re: Do you guys feel UEing is criminal trespassing?
<Reply # 31 on 12/8/2006 3:28 PM >
| | | | UE does not = criminal trespassing.
Your actions determines that.
Who is to say it's not UE if you get permission to be in the area?
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