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 blackhawk
  
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 |  |  | Re: Legality: UE photos as evidence of your tresspassing?
<Reply # 20 on 12/9/2006 9:21 PM >
|  | | | Posted by DrranXCore
exactly, them seeing a picture that you said you took isn't enough evidence to take any action
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In the US I wouldn't bet my ass on that. There are agencies here that need a lot less than that for them to take action. Pictures are great evidence.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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manitou
  
Location: Mississauga/Toronto/Waterloo
Gender: Male
I was born with an inherent knowledge of every abandonment in the world!
| | Re: Legality: UE photos as evidence of your tresspassing?
<Reply # 21 on 12/9/2006 9:58 PM >
| | | | It would depend on the trespassing laws in your areas. As far as I know in Ontario trespassing is a misdemeanor and it is impossible to be charged with a misdemeanor after the fact. Therefore photos posted on a website after an exploration would not lead to trespassing charges.
www.dkphotogroup.com
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bujo
Location: saskatchewan
Gender: Male
| | Re: Legality: UE photos as evidence of your tresspassing?
<Reply # 22 on 12/10/2006 11:08 PM >
| | | | ya picture is great evidence, if they know who took it, if you claim to have taken the pictures, they still can't know for sure. so they can't press charges, ya maybe they can watch you and shit, like with the US's patriot act. but then i don't think they care enough to bother with all that over some taking pictures while they are trespassing
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Deuterium
 
Location: PNW
Gender: Male
| | Re: Legality: UE photos as evidence of your tresspassing?
<Reply # 23 on 12/12/2006 6:53 AM >
| | | | In criminal case, burden of proof is very high but I seem to recall reading someone getting ordered to pay property owner based on reasonable evidence that the camera was in his hands.
One could be found innocent in criminal court, but still be found civilly liable in civil court.
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: Legality: UE photos as evidence of your tresspassing?
<Reply # 24 on 12/12/2006 7:06 AM >
| | | | Posted by Deuterium
In criminal case, burden of proof is very high but I seem to recall reading someone getting ordered to pay property owner based on reasonable evidence that the camera was in his hands.
One could be found innocent in criminal court, but still be found civilly liable in civil court.
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Very good observation.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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SmartMarc
| | Re: Legality: UE photos as evidence of your tresspassing?
<Reply # 25 on 12/15/2006 6:25 PM >
|  | | | For you Information: There is a new method of identifing a digital camera from the pictures taken with it - They basically take the noise generated by the chip and then compare is to their database. This way they find the make and model. After that they make reference pictures with the camera, compare them to others of the same make and thereby identify the camera used to take a picture with a probability of 99,99%.
This method is currently used to track down suspected child abusers by the pictures they seed on the net.
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: Legality: UE photos as evidence of your tresspassing?
<Reply # 26 on 12/16/2006 1:53 AM >
| | | | Posted by SmartMarc
For you Information: There is a new method of identifing a digital camera from the pictures taken with it - They basically take the noise generated by the chip and then compare is to their database. This way they find the make and model. After that they make reference pictures with the camera, compare them to others of the same make and thereby identify the camera used to take a picture with a probability of 99,99%.
This method is currently used to track down suspected child abusers by the pictures they seed on the net.
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Smart cookie . There's all kinds of 'tricks'. People, don't get too cleaver for your own good!
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Azubi.UK
Location: UK / KSA
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Legality: UE photos as evidence of your tresspassing?
<Reply # 27 on 12/23/2006 12:07 PM >
| | | | If you don't want to fall foul of the law then don't post up the pictures on the internet. Simple really.
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lokiskank
| | Re: Legality: UE photos as evidence of your tresspassing?
<Reply # 28 on 12/25/2006 1:04 AM >
| | | | why are y'all so scared of a minor offense. Really all that it could amount to is a night in jail and/or a small fine. Anyways, you will have "explored" a space that most of the public will not get to see... so it's win/win.
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: Legality: UE photos as evidence of your tresspassing?
<Reply # 29 on 12/25/2006 1:25 AM >
| | | | Posted by lokiskank
why are y'all so scared of a minor offense. Really all that it could amount to is a night in jail and/or a small fine. Anyways, you will have "explored" a space that most of the public will not get to see... so it's win/win.
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Interesting first post. Welcome to UER.
Trespassing in many places can result in misdemeanor charge(s). This would give you a permanent criminal record. It's not cheap necessarily either. Fun starts at a couple hundred and can easily go into the thousands. Most people don't like hanging around locked up, let alone spending the night.
We like pictures here, but don't get yourself in a jam doing it.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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breakfastdub
Location: Athens, GA
Gender: Male
We need not destroy the past. It is gone. -John Cage
| |  | Re: Legality: UE photos as evidence of your tresspassing?
<Reply # 30 on 12/31/2006 12:39 AM >
| | | | I've never had trouble posting. I'm pretty certain the law enforcement is more concerned with pedophiles and kiddie porn than some guy that shot a bunch of photos in a dam. Just keep it discreet, and know your local laws well.
[last edit 12/31/2006 12:40 AM by breakfastdub - edited 1 times]
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Intrinsic
Location: Collingwood
Gender: Male
| | Re: Legality: UE photos as evidence of your tresspassing?
<Reply # 31 on 12/31/2006 1:39 PM >
| | | | Posted by DeMiNe0
Now from a technical expert point of view:
If by some rare chance they do end up asking for logs, and what not of file transfers, http logs, ect, you have the right to say no, unless they have a warrent... If they have a warrant, say you don't know how to get the logs, and say you have no clue who to go to to get the logs. More then likely if they contact your host, (which they will need to provide ANOTHER warrant for) that host won't have detailed enough logs for them... (unless they run apache in debug mode.. which is rare..)
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This is why TOR is your best friend.
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UnseenCasualty
Location: Boston, MA
One life... one chance.
| | Re: Legality: UE photos as evidence of your tresspassing?
<Reply # 32 on 1/14/2007 3:13 AM >
| | | | I'm not entirely worried about getting charged w/ trespassing. I probably should be.
I always take my camera everywhere I go (photographer... it's like a limb). I don't have the date and time set and I'm never in the photos. They can't really charge me w/ much unless the catch me in the act.
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