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 yota94
  
Location: AEQUITS.VERITAS. CALI.
Gender: Male
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< on 11/20/2006 1:25 AM >
|  | | | hey everyone iv got an alarm question that im sure has been asked before but i couldnt find it. do most alarms have something to let you know they are going off? because i know there are silent alarms with auto dialers and things...so how do you know if you have tripped one? being new alarms are slightly intimidating because in time i want to get into some hard core stuff...but not for a long time....i have been searching for info on how to get around alarms and things and i cant seem to find anything good...any info? suggestions?
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DeMiNe0
   
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Gender: Male
DeMiNe0.CoM
| |  |  |  |  | Re: slightly alarming
<Reply # 1 on 11/20/2006 2:42 AM >
| | | | A lot of alarms are completely silent. You could look around for an alarm control panel, usually in offices or near entrances. That will usually tell you an alarm was triggered.
One of the smarter/Better things you can do.. If you have a radio, you could obtain the police frequencies they use in the town and listen on them. If you hear any reports about the area your in, it's pretty safe to say you should get out and hide somewhere.
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Free Baller
Location: New Jerssey
Gender: Male
I have a friend in Jesus. Seriously, Jesus ate my friend. It was horrible.
| | Re: slightly alarming
<Reply # 2 on 11/20/2006 3:20 AM >
| | | | And if you think youve tripped an alarm or even have dont run off.
Instead hide close by to check if anyone comes.
Trying to win hearts and minds, but willing to splatter them if neccesary.
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Captain Obvious
Location: among the tank farms
Gender: Male
in ur xbox...there are midgets
| | Re: slightly alarming
<Reply # 3 on 11/20/2006 9:28 PM >
| | | | | Instead hide close by to check if anyone comes. |
Isn't that sort of like triggering an avalanche and then waiting around to see how deep things get buried?
| You could look around for an alarm control panel |
These don't always work, especially if the panel controls a deactivated old system, rather than the new one that has been triggered.
| If you have a radio, you could obtain the police frequencies they use in the town and listen on them. |
Having a scanner during a crime opens you up to all sorts of extra charges.
[last edit 11/20/2006 9:29 PM by Captain Obvious - edited 1 times]
Nov. 24, 2007--The city of Cleveland, Ohio, announces that it has developed tactical nuclear weapons, and does not wish to hear any more jokes.
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Free Baller
Location: New Jerssey
Gender: Male
I have a friend in Jesus. Seriously, Jesus ate my friend. It was horrible.
| | Re: slightly alarming
<Reply # 4 on 11/20/2006 11:41 PM >
| | | | Posted by DanB
Isn't that sort of like triggering an avalanche and then waiting around to see how deep things get buried?
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No you do this to check if the alarm actually causes someone to come a lot of the times they dont.
Trying to win hearts and minds, but willing to splatter them if neccesary.
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DeMiNe0
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Gender: Male
DeMiNe0.CoM
| | | | | | Re: slightly alarming
<Reply # 5 on 11/21/2006 12:18 AM >
| | | | Posted by DanB
Having a scanner during a crime opens you up to all sorts of extra charges.
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What charges would that be? Last i checked it wasn't illegal to carry and listen on police frequencies.
Thats kinda like saying, if i get pulled over for speeding with a radar detector, i could get charged for that.(which i hate to prove myself wrong, but it is ilegal in some states). Or hell if i get pulled over with a scanner (which i do have since im a fire fighter) that i can get another ticket for that.
I'm not saying your wrong. I'm just asking to learn a little more about this.
[last edit 11/21/2006 12:24 AM by DeMiNe0 - edited 1 times]
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Captain Obvious
Location: among the tank farms
Gender: Male
in ur xbox...there are midgets
| | Re: slightly alarming
<Reply # 6 on 11/21/2006 12:43 AM >
| | | | | No you do this to check if the alarm actually causes someone to come a lot of the times they dont. |
And if they do?
| Last i checked it wasn't illegal to carry and listen on police frequencies. |
http://www.monitor.../mtlaws_jun03.html
In addition to section 397’s prohibitions, New York’s criminal law has a statute that also covers the illegal use of police scanners. Section 40 of Article 140 of the consolidated laws of New York prohibits possession of a police scanner while committing a criminal offense.
Other states may have this, too.
Nov. 24, 2007--The city of Cleveland, Ohio, announces that it has developed tactical nuclear weapons, and does not wish to hear any more jokes.
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Free Baller
Location: New Jerssey
Gender: Male
I have a friend in Jesus. Seriously, Jesus ate my friend. It was horrible.
| | Re: slightly alarming
<Reply # 7 on 11/21/2006 2:17 AM >
| | | | Posted by DanB
And if they do?
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Uhh they wont see you because your hiding..............
Trying to win hearts and minds, but willing to splatter them if neccesary.
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yota94
Location: AEQUITS.VERITAS. CALI.
Gender: Male
| | Re: slightly alarming
<Reply # 8 on 11/21/2006 7:48 AM >
| | | | haha ya so do you think its a smart idea to go hide far away but still close to see if anyone comes every time? p.s. thanks for the help guys i really appreciate it
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blackhawk
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Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
| | | Re: slightly alarming
<Reply # 9 on 11/23/2006 8:12 AM >
| | | | B&E on an active site is burglary. This sort of UE is frowned on here. There's a lot more info that's missing here that you could use, but let me point out the most obvious problems rather than the details to do it.
Why are you going to do this? You can't post the pics. Cops are well aware of the described tactics above. There's more than one way to easily defeat this brilliant strategy.
Certain people who I will not name, have been know to wait in the shadows with a shotgun after hours for fun. You may not live long enough to get a criminal record.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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natxtron
Location: memphis
urbanesquelation
| |  | Re: slightly alarming
<Reply # 10 on 11/23/2006 9:28 AM >
| | | | i will actually give some validity to the "hide and wait" tactic. there is a non active building in my area that has an alarm system with multiple motion detectors on the ground floor. there was no b&e involved since we walked through an open window on the sixth floor (through an adjacent structure). we triggered the alarm and then left and waited nearby but safely out of range. this process was repeated several times over the course of a couple hours to see if anyone ever came. no one ever did so we decided to explore the building. it was a little eerie with the alarm going off the whole time, but never had a problem.
just because a site has an alarm does not always mean the place is active, or even monitored. while i agree with blackhawk on the ethics of b&e, i also know that there are places that have been long abandoned which still have juice for some reason or another.
each situation may be different, so you may have to work out a solution logically. i have also entered a building recently in which the motion detectors were still active but the alarm panel had obviously been disconnected from the detectors and therefore never sounded any alarm. it is a very good idea to study all types of alarms and systems to understand exactly what you may be dealing with and how you should react. always be observant!
in any given situation though, always stay on the side of caution. it's better to leave rather than risk being caught if you are not sure.
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Soho
Location: Boston MA, USA
Gender: Male
paths to the center of a circle are many
| | Re: slightly alarming
<Reply # 11 on 11/23/2006 9:35 AM >
| | | | Posted by DanB
And if they do?
http://www.monitor.../mtlaws_jun03.html
In addition to section 397’s prohibitions, New York’s criminal law has a statute that also covers the illegal use of police scanners. Section 40 of Article 140 of the consolidated laws of New York prohibits possession of a police scanner while committing a criminal offense.
Other states may have this, too.
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That's interesting. It appears that, in NY, it is illegal to have one while committing a crime; however, if an individual violates both s40.a140 and another law there is no escalation of the nature of the charges. This is not the case in many other states, as committing a crime with a scanner escalates the current charge to a felony, or is itself a separate felony.
I think that's how the statute is litigated....
~Soho
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blackhawk
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Location: Mission Control
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| | | Re: slightly alarming
<Reply # 12 on 11/23/2006 9:58 AM >
| | | | Posted by natxtron
i will actually give some validity to the "hide and wait" tactic. there is a non active building in my area that has an alarm system with multiple motion detectors on the ground floor. there was no b&e involved since we walked through an open window on the sixth floor (through an adjacent structure). we triggered the alarm and then left and waited nearby but safely out of range. this process was repeated several times over the course of a couple hours to see if anyone ever came. no one ever did so we decided to explore the building. it was a little eerie with the alarm going off the whole time, but never had a problem.
just because a site has an alarm does not always mean the place is active, or even monitored. while i agree with blackhawk on the ethics of b&e, i also know that there are places that have been long abandoned which still have juice for some reason or another.
each situation may be different, so you may have to work out a solution logically. i have also entered a building recently in which the motion detectors were still active but the alarm panel had obviously been disconnected from the detectors and therefore never sounded any alarm. it is a very good idea to study all types of alarms and systems to understand exactly what you may be dealing with and how you should react. always be observant!
in any given situation though, always stay on the side of caution. it's better to leave rather than risk being caught if you are not sure.
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That's just asking for it. That does qualify as B&E more than likely. Guess we won't be looking at any pics of that? Rookies, there are plenty of great abandoned sites you can explore and not end up with a felony rap sheet to delight your future would have been employers for the next 30 years.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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natxtron
Location: memphis
urbanesquelation
| | | Re: slightly alarming
<Reply # 13 on 11/23/2006 10:13 AM >
| | | | i do completely agree with you blackhawk. i absolutely do not agree with b&e. but often times, entering a building, you may not know if there is an alarm or not. many abandonments turn out to be active but one may not know this until actually encountering the alarm. the building i spoke of where we did the "hide and wait" tactic has been in the db for at least two years. i even had a mod change the setting to private (the original creator had it set to public for some reason or another).
i would never suggest ignoring any alarm and definitely don't force an entry. that is a huge mistake. especially for an unexperienced explorer. and even worse for an experienced individual, since they should know better. in my situation though, we had literally spent years studying the location. it was only after a lot of research that we entered.
i will be the first to say that ethics are the most important thing to consider when a location is questionably active. b&e is not a rap to take lightly.
[edit: spelling]
[last edit 11/23/2006 10:14 AM by natxtron - edited 1 times]
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natxtron
Location: memphis
urbanesquelation
| | | Re: slightly alarming
<Reply # 14 on 11/23/2006 10:24 AM >
| | | | and just for clarification,
one should study types of alarms and how they work... not to know how to get around them in active buildings, but in order to know how to react responsibly in any given situation that might be encountered.
too often, i have seen people panic and do harm to themselves or place themselves and others in more risk because they were not logical. in any case of an alarm, my first suggestion is to evacuate the premises immediately.
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blackhawk
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Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
| | | Re: slightly alarming
<Reply # 15 on 11/23/2006 11:41 AM >
| | | | Posted by natxtron
i do completely agree with you blackhawk. i absolutely do not agree with b&e. but often times, entering a building, you may not know if there is an alarm or not. many abandonments turn out to be active but one may not know this until actually encountering the alarm. the building i spoke of where we did the "hide and wait" tactic has been in the db for at least two years. i even had a mod change the setting to private (the original creator had it set to public for some reason or another).
i would never suggest ignoring any alarm and definitely don't force an entry. that is a huge mistake. especially for an unexperienced explorer. and even worse for an experienced individual, since they should know better. in my situation though, we had literally spent years studying the location. it was only after a lot of research that we entered.
i will be the first to say that ethics are the most important thing to consider when a location is questionably active. b&e is not a rap to take lightly.
[edit: spelling]
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We all have your own special places we like, and want to explore.
I'm a curious bastard by nature, and like electronics. I don't think most people need an in depth working knowledge of alarms though, particularly when they wish to B&E. Not sure why someone would post on the web asking how to if they were going to do so. There are many threads already on these topics anyway.
In general and especially for the novice, after hours at active sites is to be avoided, particularly if the site does R&D, or houses people!!! If your caught with B&E tools while there, your fucked!
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Mark
 
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: slightly alarming
<Reply # 16 on 11/23/2006 2:09 PM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
We all have your own special places we like, and want to explore.
I'm a curious bastard by nature, and like electronics. I don't think most people need an in depth working knowledge of alarms though, particularly when they wish to B&E. Not sure why someone would post on the web asking how to if they were going to do so. There are many threads already on these topics anyway.
In general and especially for the novice, after hours at active sites is to be avoided, particularly if the site does R&D, or houses people!!! If your caught with B&E tools while there, your fucked!
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Knowing alarm systems and how they work can greatly increase the chances of you getting out if you stumble in on one. For instance some systems are audible others are not. I for one have gone into a open warehouse where the alarm did not sound, but the panel(I found several minutes later) was flashing. I had set off a motion detector. Recognizing the system I realized that the system had not called any LE yet etc. Although I quickly left I knew most likely I didn't have to run out the back door and hide in the woods.
Most people don't need this information, but I wouldn't say no to passing it out to certain people, just not everyone.
On that note in many states merely trespassing in any building is B&E and if you Explore expect that as a chrage. If you didn't break to enter a lawyer should get you off, but you never know. Expect the worst hope for the best.
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T-mac
Location: Winnipeg, MB, Canada
Gender: Male
| | | Re: slightly alarming
<Reply # 17 on 11/23/2006 5:14 PM >
| | | | Unless the alarm is cut, i wont risk it.
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: slightly alarming
<Reply # 18 on 11/23/2006 6:41 PM >
| | | | Posted by Mark
Knowing alarm systems and how they work can greatly increase the chances of you getting out if you stumble in on one. For instance some systems are audible others are not. I for one have gone into a open warehouse where the alarm did not sound, but the panel(I found several minutes later) was flashing. I had set off a motion detector. Recognizing the system I realized that the system had not called any LE yet etc. Although I quickly left I knew most likely I didn't have to run out the back door and hide in the woods.
Most people don't need this information, but I wouldn't say no to passing it out to certain people, just not everyone.
On that note in many states merely trespassing in any building is B&E and if you Explore expect that as a chrage. If you didn't break to enter a lawyer should get you off, but you never know. Expect the worst hope for the best.
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Yeah the power being on is a tip off that maybe the building really isn't abandoned. Advanced knowledge isn't needed to spot that, or a blinking light. I've seen that before, I was surprised because the buildings was being razed, piece by piece. Damn those little red lights! I booked. 3+ city blocks worth of booking, big place, but nobody came. I kept going; they cared enough to leave the power on that alarm system. I came back a couple months later and explored more throughly, no little red flashing lights this time.
Tampering with systems and destroying alarm infrastructures is a bad business. Fire alarms are usually bundle in the same areas and can be affected. Many times morons disable the fire alarms because they mistake those control consoles for intrusion consoles, or perhaps they just wish to burn a bigger fire. I can think of one cool hospital that started off being sealed and gradually vandals encroached, disabling both fire and burglar alarms. Looting and multiple arsons have made this place both accessible, and a pale ghost of the magnificent complex it once was in a matter of a mere 10 years. Collapsing roofs and floors make it dangerous to explore.
If you notice what appears to be an active alarm, just leave, and keep going. There are plenty of places were you won't have these kinds of troubles and are just as fun to explore. For those that insist on lingering around, there's something called "criminal loitering" in some places too.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Edmond_Dantes
Location: Texas
Gender: Male
Dance Your Cares Away
| |  | Re: slightly alarming
<Reply # 19 on 11/23/2006 9:03 PM >
| | | | Or, you could stay out of places that are alarmed. Just a thought.
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