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UER Forum > Archived UE Main > How dangerous is a dangerous mine? (Viewed 516 times)
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How dangerous is a dangerous mine?
< on 11/17/2006 1:19 AM >
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I'm going backpacking very soon to a very remote portion of the Grand Canyon for about three days. The only reason the trail exists is because it used to be used to haul ore from various mines up to a mill site on the rim of the Canyon. All of the sites and the mill shut down in 1910 when this was no longer profitable. I've heard that since you have to backpack in and since it's not one of the more popular Grand Canyon hikes most of the mining stuff was left untouched. So my question is: How dangerous would it be to go into old mine shafts like these. Here is an excerpt from the site about them if it helps:

"For your safety, do not enter dangerous tunnels and mine shafts which are unstable and subject to cave in. Radon levels in these shafts have been measured at 12 times the normal level."

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Re: How dangerous is a dangerous mine?
<Reply # 1 on 11/17/2006 1:35 AM >
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Let's think of how may ways you could die:

--Radon poisoning. Nasty and it takes a long time.

--Buried in a pile of rock. Nasty, but significantly quicker.

--Drowning in a water pocket. Possibly the best option.

--Starvation, possibly coupled with death option two. This sucks big time.

--Asphyxiation, from toxic gas or lack of oxygen.

Going into an abandoned, uncharted mineshaft alone ranks right up there along with skydiving over a volcano.

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Re: How dangerous is a dangerous mine?
<Reply # 2 on 11/17/2006 1:43 AM >
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Posted by Chronos
So my question is: How dangerous would it be to go into old mine shafts like these.


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Re: How dangerous is a dangerous mine?
<Reply # 3 on 11/17/2006 1:45 AM >
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But God It Sounds Like Fun

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Re: How dangerous is a dangerous mine?
<Reply # 4 on 11/17/2006 4:09 AM >
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Well, dangit. So danged tempting.

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Re: How dangerous is a dangerous mine?
<Reply # 5 on 11/17/2006 4:13 AM >
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Let's just say that working in an active mine is a dangerous way to make a living.

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Re: How dangerous is a dangerous mine?
<Reply # 6 on 11/17/2006 4:53 AM >
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bring a back hoe and a canary with a flotation device and plenty of food water and a gps flare gun combo cell fon. or go to the zoo.
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Re: How dangerous is a dangerous mine?
<Reply # 7 on 11/17/2006 8:24 AM >
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About as safe as a safe mine.....

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Re: How dangerous is a dangerous mine?
<Reply # 8 on 11/17/2006 9:09 AM >
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Well, I'm going on the trip tomorrow. I'll try and see if there's anything left of the mill or any other buildings, but you guys are right; the more I think about it the less safe of an idea exploring an abandoned mine from the late 1800's sounds. Especially one that has been abandoned for almost 100 years.
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Re: How dangerous is a dangerous mine?
<Reply # 9 on 11/17/2006 4:03 PM >
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Man, I do this all the time. Dont' touch anything, don't make noise, and don't smoke or use a lighter. Mines are the ultimate in exploring, and it is an experience you will never forget.

Go. You won't get that many chances at cool mines, just watch your ass.

I posted this awhile back. It may be helpful now.

http://www.uer.ca/...ge=1&pp#post0post0

Edit. Attached a link to a post I made some time ago.
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Re: How dangerous is a dangerous mine?
<Reply # 10 on 11/17/2006 4:38 PM >
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its about as smart as trying to UE a crackhouse

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Re: How dangerous is a dangerous mine?
<Reply # 11 on 11/17/2006 5:52 PM >
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Abandoned mines are inherently dangerous, it takes a lot of money and effort to keep active mines up to OSHA standards, and they still kill people. Once the mine is abandoned, all that money and effort towards safety goes away. Often any valuable safety equipment that can be salvaged (braces, ladders, emergency shelters, etc) goes away as well. Ventilation is the biggest issue, once the fans are turned off there's no airflow (unless the mine has multiple entrances far enough apart), and you get all kinds of gas building up. Oxidation (rusting metal) can itself remove enough oxygen from the air to be deadly, and is impossible to detect without instruments or an open flame. Open flames are also quite effective at detecting flamable gasses...

The older the mine is, the more potential for danger there is. A 100 year old mine is missing 100 years of development in safety standards and techniques. Most of those shafts and tunnels were dug before anyone had ever heard of OSHA, when a couple dead immigrants a month was standard. In addition, they've had 100 years to sit there through earthquakes, rotting wood and rusting metal, freeze-thaw cycles around entrances, etc.

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Re: How dangerous is a dangerous mine?
<Reply # 12 on 11/17/2006 5:58 PM >
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Posted by Jonsered
Man, I do this all the time. Dont' touch anything, don't make noise, and don't smoke or use a lighter. Mines are the ultimate in exploring, and it is an experience you will never forget.

Go. You won't get that many chances at cool mines, just watch your ass.

I posted this awhile back. It may be helpful now.

http://www.uer.ca/...ge=1&pp#post0post0

Edit. Attached a link to a post I made some time ago.


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Re: How dangerous is a dangerous mine?
<Reply # 13 on 11/17/2006 6:03 PM >
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Posted by Chronos
"For your safety, do not enter dangerous tunnels and mine shafts which are unstable and subject to cave in. Radon levels in these shafts have been measured at 12 times the normal level."


Short term exposure to elevated levels Radon will not harm you. In fact it may make you healthier by stimulating DNA production as a cellular adaptive defensive response to it. What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger...

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Re: How dangerous is a dangerous mine?
<Reply # 14 on 11/17/2006 10:06 PM >
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Hmm, it seems that whenever I post saying I am planning on/have done something dangerous people tell me why it is/was a bad idea, but when I post that I'm not going to do something because it's dangerous I get reasons why I should.

Oh well, thanks for the input! To be honest, the radon levels and bad air were my main concerns, and I feel much better about the radon thing. I guess I'll just have to wait to see what the mines are like and play it by ear. I'm guessing a respi with a p-100 filter would be worthless in this case?

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Re: How dangerous is a dangerous mine?
<Reply # 15 on 11/17/2006 10:08 PM >
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P-100 wont' protect you against gas. Bad air is a real consideration. I advised Eric to get a canary when he was exploring some mines in Cali. Cheapest gas detector known to man, and 100% effective. If you dont' discover gas, they make nice pets after the trip!

I have changed my personal exploring ethics code. From now on it will be: "Take only aimed shots, leave only hobo corpses." Copper scrappers, meth heads and homeless beware. The Jonsered cometh among you, bringing fear and dread.

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Re: How dangerous is a dangerous mine?
<Reply # 16 on 11/17/2006 11:08 PM >
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Posted by Chronos
Hmm, it seems that whenever I post saying I am planning on/have done something dangerous people tell me why it is/was a bad idea, but when I post that I'm not going to do something because it's dangerous I get reasons why I should.

Oh well, thanks for the input! To be honest, the radon levels and bad air were my main concerns, and I feel much better about the radon thing. I guess I'll just have to wait to see what the mines are like and play it by ear. I'm guessing a respi with a p-100 filter would be worthless in this case?


Charcoal will absorb radon, but that's not a problem. Only l-o-n-g term exposure will harm you. Some dodos think they'll live to be 140 yo. Hey I was serious, check out the mines! Follow Jonered advice and don't get buried!

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Re: How dangerous is a dangerous mine?
<Reply # 17 on 11/18/2006 1:06 AM >
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My dad and my grandpa used to explore an old mine in Cloyne, Ontario using only my grandpa's lighter for light. There damn lucky they didn't blow themselves in the process. My dad said they would drop stones down some of the shafts and it would take almost 20 seconds before you would here it hit the bottom, if that stone was a person you probably would have been killed in the fall, and if not you would NEVER get out. I certainly wouldnt recomend going into a mine, especially one that old. My dad and grandpa are lucky they didn't get killed themselves

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Re: How dangerous is a dangerous mine?
<Reply # 18 on 11/19/2006 2:24 AM >
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Posted by blackhawk


Short term exposure to elevated levels Radon will not harm you. In fact it may make you healthier by stimulating DNA production as a cellular adaptive defensive response to it. What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger...


Hmm...isn't that the definition of cancer? ;)



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Re: How dangerous is a dangerous mine?
<Reply # 19 on 11/19/2006 5:24 AM >
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Hmm...isn't that the definition of cancer? ;)




Ha-ha, there's some truth to that too. The line between stimulating increased vigor in an organism and toxicity is a sharp one. Worse it varies from individual to individual, and can not be precisely calculated. Radium was once used as a tonic in trace amounts, and it really did work. Most toxins will produce the baffling effect though, so small trace amounts are thought to be healthy, even desirable.

The shitbird that drank a hundred or more (many times more than directed) ampules of the Radium tonic had his lower jaw rot away in a six month period.
Don't over do it.



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