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1 2  UER Forum > Archived Rookie Forum > I guess this isn't common sense after all... (Viewed 1009 times) Free Baller  Location: New Jerssey Gender: Male I have a friend in Jesus. Seriously, Jesus ate my friend. It was horrible.  |  Re: I guess this isn't common sense after all... <Reply # 20 on 11/20/2006 1:09 AM >   Blackhawk I agree with you for your situation but, First off your an adult, Im "just some punk kid lookin for trouble." I also dont take pictures Trying to win hearts and minds, but willing to splatter them if neccesary. Jef  This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. Gender: Male Hey Look at me....  |  Re: I guess this isn't common sense after all... <Reply # 21 on 11/20/2006 1:10 AM >   Posted by Free Baller We seem to get a bad rap not sure why...... Most likely they were Boneheads not skins, Just listen to Iron cross wolfpack. Im really tired of being crucified for this shit. Ummm. No thanks... If you didnt notice, I had said that I do not like sharps. I think that they are low life pieces of shit. Lower then the guys you called "boneheads". [last edit 11/20/2006 1:13 AM by Jef - edited 1 times] We must also go out and meet the enemy before he reaches our shores. We must defeat him before he attacks us, before our cities are laid to waste. William Lyon Mackenzie King, Prime Minister of Canada from 1921-1926, 1926-1930 and 1935-1948 Free Baller  Location: New Jerssey Gender: Male I have a friend in Jesus. Seriously, Jesus ate my friend. It was horrible.  |  Re: I guess this isn't common sense after all... <Reply # 22 on 11/20/2006 1:17 AM >   I wanted to know why? Trying to win hearts and minds, but willing to splatter them if neccesary. History_Hunter   |  Re: I guess this isn't common sense after all... <Reply # 23 on 11/20/2006 1:47 AM >   I agree with emma as well... Truth be told your really not doing anything illegal. Your just a history buff taking some pictures. The most a cop will usually tell u is to leave. We are not the morons who go into these beautiful pieces of history and destroy windows and doors etc. I actually go into a site with no fear of arrest. I make sure i know a hell of alot about the history of the place before i go in. A cop will know the diff (in most cases) once u begin to talk... I have a couple cops who i've asked about the whole UE thing and the response was "not worth the paper work". Which basically means unless u piss the cop off (or its quota time) there not even gonna give u a ticket... cute_boy  Location: Ontario Gender: Male  |  Re: I guess this isn't common sense after all... <Reply # 24 on 11/20/2006 1:56 AM >   And if you're willing to sacrifice your pride just curl up in the fetil position and cry ;) No signature needed blackhawk  This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. Location: Mission Control UER newbie  |  |  Re: I guess this isn't common sense after all... <Reply # 25 on 11/20/2006 2:17 AM >   Posted by History_Hunter I agree with emma as well... Truth be told your really not doing anything illegal. Your just a history buff taking some pictures. The most a cop will usually tell u is to leave. We are not the morons who go into these beautiful pieces of history and destroy windows and doors etc. I actually go into a site with no fear of arrest. I make sure i know a hell of alot about the history of the place before i go in. A cop will know the diff (in most cases) once u begin to talk... I have a couple cops who i've asked about the whole UE thing and the response was "not worth the paper work". Which basically means unless u piss the cop off (or its quota time) there not even gonna give u a ticket... Your assuming that all goes right. Shit happens. You can't control others actions, and if your down stream, you can get caught in the flood. Like the time three kids told the cops "There's a man walking into the treeline with a rifle...". How was I to know the dopes didn't know what a tripod was, fuck, a high powered 3.06 Gitzo with a detachable Canon scope. Twenty cops(no kidding), and 3 hours later I got a really big surprise. The cops weren't in a friendly mood either. This is were good communication skills are so necessary. Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in. LauraBeth  Location: oreoreoregon Gender: Female where to go  |  Re: I guess this isn't common sense after all... <Reply # 26 on 11/21/2006 2:34 AM >   I personally never imagined cops being intelligent enough to consciously fuck with your head and twist your words. Thats harrassment in my eyes, not that my opinion would be considered or taken as truth in a court room setting...although i could never picture myself or my exploration partner actually being arrested in our small town. yet when i think about the measurements taken to enter such a boarded up an reboarded up building (i.e. eventually descending through air vent on roofs) i wouldnt blame them for slapping the cuffs on me, no matter how much i mention my interest for our historically rich town. They have no idea that i wasnt the one who tagged,burned down,broke windows,kicked down doors etc....When inn fact those things were actually done by stupid, ignorant assholes that have little consideration for others. in the cops eyes im just as bad as those people. blackhawk  This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. Location: Mission Control UER newbie  |  |  Re: I guess this isn't common sense after all... <Reply # 27 on 11/21/2006 2:59 AM >   Posted by LauraBeth I personally never imagined cops being intelligent enough to consciously fuck with your head and twist your words. Thats harrassment in my eyes, not that my opinion would be considered or taken as truth in a court room setting...although i could never picture myself or my exploration partner actually being arrested in our small town. yet when i think about the measurements taken to enter such a boarded up an reboarded up building (i.e. eventually descending through air vent on roofs) i wouldnt blame them for slapping the cuffs on me, no matter how much i mention my interest for our historically rich town. They have no idea that i wasnt the one who tagged,burned down,broke windows,kicked down doors etc....When inn fact those things were actually done by stupid, ignorant assholes that have little consideration for others. in the cops eyes im just as bad as those people. I don't see your point. You have obviously never talked with a well trained, skilled investigator. Time is always on their side, they capitalize on your mistakes and do so effortlessly. Most cops are above average IQ, with college educations not being uncommon, even in small towns. God help you if you mistake a lead investigator from HSD as being inept during an encounter. It may prove to be a costly blunder. Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in. Free Baller  Location: New Jerssey Gender: Male I have a friend in Jesus. Seriously, Jesus ate my friend. It was horrible.  |  Re: I guess this isn't common sense after all... <Reply # 28 on 11/21/2006 3:02 AM >   Theirs a difference between an investigator and a cop. Trying to win hearts and minds, but willing to splatter them if neccesary. blackhawk  This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. Location: Mission Control UER newbie  |  |  Re: I guess this isn't common sense after all... <Reply # 29 on 11/21/2006 3:59 AM >   Posted by Free Baller Theirs a difference between an investigator and a cop. Really? A detective is a cop. Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in. LauraBeth  Location: oreoreoregon Gender: Female where to go  |  Re: I guess this isn't common sense after all... <Reply # 30 on 11/21/2006 6:39 AM >   i never once mentioned an investigator, i was talking about the cop that is there physically at the time of a possible arrest. and as far as cops having above average IQs-whch by the way has nothing to do with whether or not an individual could "fuck with my mind" and is only a number representation of intelligence- in my town, id like for you to come and visit. my point was whether or not i was doing something wrong while exploring, i understand why i would be in trouble and from that point on, on the bad side of a police man. blackhawk  This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. Location: Mission Control UER newbie  |  |  Re: I guess this isn't common sense after all... <Reply # 31 on 11/21/2006 8:40 AM >   Posted by LauraBeth i never once mentioned an investigator, i was talking about the cop that is there physically at the time of a possible arrest. and as far as cops having above average IQs-whch by the way has nothing to do with whether or not an individual could "fuck with my mind" and is only a number representation of intelligence- in my town, id like for you to come and visit. my point was whether or not i was doing something wrong while exploring, i understand why i would be in trouble and from that point on, on the bad side of a police man. If you know that particular cop or police department is that way, that's one thing, but it's not across the board. If your not harming others, stealing, vandalizing, B&E, etc. cops, DHS, really aren't usually concerned, and don't want to hammer you. Don't give them a reason; a little respect can go a long way. That same person can also let you get pics you wouldn't normally get, or say a friendly hello next time you see them at a site, even open the gate. [last edit 11/21/2006 9:05 PM by blackhawk - edited 1 times] Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in. Najma  Location: Minnesota Gender: Female  |  Re: I guess this isn't common sense after all... <Reply # 32 on 11/21/2006 7:38 PM >   Well, regardless of your feeling on running or not, I do agree that it's a good idea to discuss what you will do if caught with anyone you are exploring with. Free Baller  Location: New Jerssey Gender: Male I have a friend in Jesus. Seriously, Jesus ate my friend. It was horrible.  |  Re: I guess this isn't common sense after all... <Reply # 33 on 11/22/2006 6:34 PM >   Posted by blackhawk Really? A detective is a cop. Hmmm I thought in order to be a detective you had to be a in the PD for awhile. Trying to win hearts and minds, but willing to splatter them if neccesary. Soho  Location: Boston MA, USA Gender: Male paths to the center of a circle are many  |  Re: I guess this isn't common sense after all... <Reply # 34 on 11/22/2006 9:47 PM >   First off I must say that exploration groups are a bad idea. UE is a bad idea for that matter; however, that is another topic altogether. Secondly I agree with Emma in every way, regarding this topic. Most "experienced" urban explorers have never been in a serious legal situation. Don't talk to the American police, ever. If the only charge that can be brought against you is trespassing or something similar, don't give the fuzz a reason to look further. Rent-a-cops vary so much that's a subject best left to personal judgment. EDIT: Most officers are decent and trying to do their duty, at least where I am, and I would not be afraid of explaining myself to my local PD. This is NOT the situation that I have experienced in NY, DC, or anywhere that has been given a free hand because of 9-11. [last edit 11/22/2006 10:09 PM by Soho - edited 1 times] blackhawk  This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. Location: Mission Control UER newbie  |  |  Re: I guess this isn't common sense after all... <Reply # 35 on 11/22/2006 11:28 PM >   Posted by Soho First off I must say that exploration groups are a bad idea. UE is a bad idea for that matter; however, that is another topic altogether. Secondly I agree with Emma in every way, regarding this topic. Most "experienced" urban explorers have never been in a serious legal situation. Don't talk to the American police, ever. If the only charge that can be brought against you is trespassing or something similar, don't give the fuzz a reason to look further. Rent-a-cops vary so much that's a subject best left to personal judgment. EDIT: Most officers are decent and trying to do their duty, at least where I am, and I would not be afraid of explaining myself to my local PD. This is NOT the situation that I have experienced in NY, DC, or anywhere that has been given a free hand because of 9-11. Talking with a cop won't turn you inside out, but this will vary with the particular situation. Sometimes a chat with one or even the police chief can straightens things out if your just exploring. There are many reasonable cops out there and claming up means your going to get the formal response from them as well. I'm not saying to rat out your friends (I said go alone!)but by not talking with a cop you lose the easiest and cheapest way to solve the problem. Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in. Core  Location: MI Gender: Male Warning: Some side effects may occur  |  |  Re: I guess this isn't common sense after all... <Reply # 36 on 11/23/2006 4:14 PM >   I'd say talk to the cop, tell them you're a historian or a photographer taking some test shots for a later shoot; but once they cuff you, it's time to clam up and lawyer up. Lastly, DON'T BE STUPID! EDIT: Photography rights card you can print out here [last edit 11/23/2006 4:28 PM by Core - edited 2 times] AAExplorer  Location: Washington, DC Gender: Male  |  Re: I guess this isn't common sense after all... <Reply # 37 on 11/23/2006 6:25 PM >   As someone who has been arrested while exploring, Emma's post has some merit. But I would question the wisdom that suggests that cops will fuck you up no matter what. It seems logical to me that while crime pisses cops off, being confrontational with them while in custody pisses them off further. Generally top notch interrogation techniques won't be applied to petty trespassing crimes. Emma Peel  Location: Ahowah Gender: Female Ghosting you like you've never been ghosted before.  |  Re: I guess this isn't common sense after all... <Reply # 38 on 11/25/2006 8:31 PM >   Posted by AAExplorer It seems logical to me that while crime pisses cops off, being confrontational with them while in custody pisses them off further. Generally top notch interrogation techniques won't be applied to petty trespassing crimes. Like I said, insisting that you get a lawyer and have them present (for clarification: AFTER you've been hauled in) at the time of any interrogation is a MUST. Keep your trap shut, otherwise. (I was slapped with Burg in the 2nd, by the way ... Ten grand bail.) And as a small female that is sitting in jail getting booked for the first (and last) time ever, I was NOT confrontational. But I do understand my rights, and I'm going to defend them (or demand my lawyer be present to defend them) ... those officers will ask you how many times you've had sex if you let them, and eventually, they'll manipulate you into telling them. Posted by Soho EDIT: Most officers are decent and trying to do their duty, at least where I am [....] This is NOT the situation that I have experienced in NY, DC, or anywhere that has been given a free hand because of 9-11. Yes. We were arrested in Davenport, Iowa. Davenport has a very, VERY similar crime-rate to Detroit. Here, kids: Davenport vs. Detroit . I've brought this up in some other thread, somewhere ... You can see why we were immediately suspected of burglary. Davenport is very much like the fine city of Detroit: Cops are always assholes, because all criminals are equal. Posted by cute_boy Where i can from the cops around here a actually not to bad in being jerky. When i talk to the they actually want to help me, then think im some neglected kid and they give me number to call and programs to join and such. Really? When they wandered in, didn't announce themselves, had their flashlights and guns (we learned the gun part later, as the flashlights prevented us from seeing them) on us, and said, "I want the female face down on the floor, now!" I could have sworn they were more likely to RAPE me than ASSIST me. Although your profile says you're 1 and mine well over 100 i think it is clear that I am younger and you are an adult, so cops actually want to help me, where is you... I'm a 40-year-old in an attractive 20-something-year-old's body. If this is true than dont worry about it, you wont be guilty, they probably did it just to try to scare you if they were making a deal. I was found guilty of trespassing and sentenced to one year of unsupervised probation for a deferred judgement (if I'm good, then a year later I have a spotless record again). Anyways, I think my advice is if your like me, younger, quick runner, good a seeming neglected and wanting help, and want to avoid any court at all, even just a trip to the station Before I took a job doing social work, I was a fitness trainer. I managed a fitness center. I've worked hard for this body and I'm not going to let the K-9 unit (shows up to most evening "burglaries," here) tear it to shreds. Oh, and as a trespasser in a fairly new but abandoned building, I didn't look lost or like I needed help: I looked like a criminal. and Emmas might be better if your older, and just dont want to be charged ... Or if you were caught trespassing and you get hauled in ... [last edit 11/25/2006 8:36 PM by Emma Peel - edited 2 times] Sorry, I probably forgot my <sarcasm> tags. blackhawk  This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. Location: Mission Control UER newbie  |  |  Re: I guess this isn't common sense after all... <Reply # 39 on 11/25/2006 9:45 PM >   Posted by Emma Peel I'm a 40-year-old in an attractive 20-something-year-old's body. That sounds like a winning combination. Not sure of all the details but it sounds like a raw deal all way round for you. Cops can be obstinate just like anyone else even to the point of it tainting their decisions. All you can do is remain calm and think. One solution doesn't fit every situation though, but the best thing to do is avoid run ins with cops if possible (it's not!). If you have a bad feeling about something, turn and walk away. Never steal, or break anything, never bring guns, tools (flashlight? shit I carry two, guess I'm a super thief), drugs or weapons. Don't take pics of cops searching for you, trust me on this one. In my case the cops turned out to be ok people, and I saved myself at least one G by not clamming up and just telling them what I was doing. There are a lot of grey areas in the law, and it's best for you if the cops don't want to explore those with you as the test case! Criminal lawyers aren't cheap. Cops know this. They will prolly tag you with a fine if your arrested, expect this. If you can get it reduced to a municipal charge, say "thank you" and be happy. Even a $500 fine is a lot cheaper than the retainer fee for a good criminal attorney. If a lawyer loses you may well end up no better off and out even more money. Either way there is no easy solution. See what the cops will offer and go from there. Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in. UER Forum > Archived Rookie Forum > I guess this isn't common sense after all... (Viewed 1009 times)  1 2  All content and images copyright © 2002-2024 UER.CA and respective creators. Graphical Design by Crossfire. 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