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Location: Santa Barbara/Chicago
Gender: Male
See you on the dark side of the Moon
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< on 10/16/2006 7:20 AM >
|  | | | Well, since there is a thread about what to do if someone you are with gets injured, there probably oughta be a thread of advice as to what to do if you are out exploring solo and get injured. I glanced around quickly and didn't see anything like this, but if I missed it and am causing a tiny bit of redundancy in your day, my appy-polo-logies.
My only real experience with this was relocating my shoulder while exploring. It was pretty painful, but I have a bum shoulder from Motocross to begin with, so it wasn't exactly something I hadn't had to deal with prior to that. Mostly just a case of gritting my teeth and doing what needed to be done.
Anyways I could probably stand a little education on the subject of caring for ones injuries when no help is around, so if you have anything to contribute, please do. I'm sure there are alot of you who are knowledgeable about this.
"It only takes one tree to make a thousand matches, it only takes one match to burn a thousand trees." |
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Tek-69
 
Location: Philly 'burbs
Gender: Male
| | Re: If you get injured...
<Reply # 1 on 10/16/2006 10:25 AM >
| | | | As far as self fix em' ups, I don't know much, but I ALWAYS tell the wife where I'm headed so that if I'm not back by a reasonable time(read as back broken or dead), someone can at least know where to start looking for me.
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SwtSeraph
Location: Baden, Pennsylvania, USA
Gender: Female
| |  | Re: If you get injured...
<Reply # 2 on 10/16/2006 2:45 PM >
| | | | i'm sure it's a good idea to carry a first aid kit too, but what should be in it?
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Axle
    
Location: Milton, ON
Gender: Male
Sieg oder Tod
| | Re: If you get injured...
<Reply # 3 on 10/16/2006 3:27 PM >
| | | | Posted by SwtSeraph
i'm sure it's a good idea to carry a first aid kit too, but what should be in it?
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I personally use a $20.00 kit from canadian tire designed for extreme sports.
Celer at Audax
Para la Victoria Siempre Alemanes! |
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kjohnnytarr
Location: Columbia, Missouri
Gender: Male
Team Asbestos: CoMO
| | | Re: If you get injured...
<Reply # 4 on 10/16/2006 4:40 PM >
| | | | Posted by Axle
I personally use a $20.00 kit from canadian tire designed for extreme sports.
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Most kits you can buy readymade though are packed WAY wrong, in my experience. (The exceptions being the wonderful kits put together by Adventure Medical Kits)
You're better off making your own kit suited to your level of knowledge, and how much you think you'll need it.
Band-aids are nice to have to keep cuts clean, but I use a bandanna because it stays on better, plus it'll stop heavier bleeding, and it's always on me anyhow (if you like things sanitary, carry prepackaged guaze in your kit and tuck it under the bandanna) Ointments (neosporin for cuts, anti-itch cream for rashes) can be nice, but I wouldn't put them on any type of chemical wound - that would just need to be flushed out with water A LOT - and for other small cuts and such, the creams can wait 'till you get home. If you know how to use a splint, ace bandage, and the like correctly, bring them, but again, you can make a splint if you really need it, and if you're alone you won't be moving until help arrives anyway. Carry if CPR mask if you're certified, since electric shock, asphyxiation, and trauma from falls are very real dangers of UE. If you can find the kind of cold-pak that gets cold when you bend it, (kinda like the way you activate a glow-stick) those are great for a hard bump.
Antiseptic wipes for cuts are one of my few "must-have's" for a first aid kit (I keep one in my wallet). Hand sanitizer is great too for the same purpose.
Don't sweat a bunch of fancy stuff in your kit. First aid is about preventative medicine to keep things from getting worse, not having a clinic in your pocket. If you haven't taken a thing out of your kit for a dozen trips, consider taking it out to lighten your load.
One last thing: I know it sounds like I'm taking a "less is more" point of view to the extreme, so let me say that when I do carry a real kit, it may be about the size of an apple, but I have it packed with everything from ammonia inhalants for fainting to a tracheotomy tube. I take my first aid and my woodcraft seriously.
It seemed like a good idea at the time... |
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xhozt
Gender: Male
| |  | Re: If you get injured...
<Reply # 5 on 10/21/2006 6:14 PM >
| | | | ADD to all the above
a good cell phone that is rugged and usable with a weak signal .
+ have a good friend you can call on said cell to come scrape your butt up 
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kjohnnytarr
Location: Columbia, Missouri
Gender: Male
Team Asbestos: CoMO
| | | Re: If you get injured...
<Reply # 6 on 10/21/2006 11:23 PM >
| | | | Amen. Don't pull an Aaron Ralston maneuver; Tell people where you're going, when you'll be back, etc., so they can raise an alarm if you don't check in the next morning.
(edit: added a bit)
[last edit 10/21/2006 11:24 PM by kjohnnytarr - edited 1 times]
It seemed like a good idea at the time... |
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MutantMandias
Perverse and Often Baffling
Location: Atlanta, GA
Gender: Male
Are you a reporter? Contact me for a UE interview! Also not averse to the the idea of group/anal.
| | | Re: If you get injured...
<Reply # 7 on 10/22/2006 12:21 AM >
| | | | Many years ago, I was exploring in a wooded area where I had found some minor ruins, and I was trying to find some more. When I was about 45 minutes away from my car, I sprained my ankle pretty badly. So, when the initial pain died down, I found a walking stick and hobbled my way back the fuck to my car. It took hours.
So, don't do that.
Or, at least, wait until the invention of the cell phone.
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ems_ranger
| | Re: If you get injured...
<Reply # 8 on 10/22/2006 7:39 PM >
| | | | simple is better - bandaid, antiseptic wipes, 2x2, 4x4, a 5x8 trauma, waterproof medical tape and cravats. Small knife like a leatherman squeeze w/scissors and tweezers. ibuprofen. I don't carry full pocket mask just an emergency key chain style. Cell phone and leave note w/someone where I am going and how long . Kit fits in a little pocket pac that goes in cargo pocket.
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startedsmoking
Location: Edinburgh, UK
Gender: Male
| |  |  | | Re: If you get injured...
<Reply # 9 on 10/23/2006 9:48 PM >
| | | | I'm a qualified Red Cross first aider with limited experience of UE (have been to Byberry a whole bunch of times when i've been in Philly - i'm English) but from the stuff that has/has almost happened to me i would carry the following:
Cell Phone: Bottom line, if someone gets seriosly hurt and you can't move them (IE any back injury, broken fema, broken hip, or serious bleeding) then you should immediatly assess whether real medical attention is needed. This will mean getting caught, but i'd rather have to answer a B&E charge than a manslaughter charge because i didn't get my friend the right help at the right time
Non-fluffy dressing X3: The best way of treating cuts to the limbs because they ensure a sterile environment and allow a good amount of pressure to be applied to the wound
Band aids: For those little cuts that could get infected or are just annoying
Triangular Bandages X6-9: these are very versatile and useful whether you're using them to apply extra pressure to a deep cut, setting leg fractures or putting an arm in a sling.
If you can learn to tie an elevation sling and a support sling then do. Elevation slings are great for stopping bleeding because they decrease the amount of blood going to the arm and thus decrease the pressure allowing clotting to take place. Elvation slings are also useful for supporting someone with a broken collar bone or a broken upper arm. The support sling is generally only used for breaks of the lower arm and wrist or where the casulty cannot be made to get their arm into the elevation sling position.
Burn kit (you can get specialised burn bandages, a source of clean water, triangular dressing for burns to the hands or fingers): burns should be treated first with immersion in water for 10 minutes to relieve the burning and then covered with a non-fluffy dressing and bandaged loosely as there may be swelling. It i vital that the dressing me non-fluffy especially on partial and full thickness (2nd and 3rd degree burns respectively) because any fibres that get in will have to be taken out later and this will hurt a lot) There's a lot to be said about different degrees of burn and how much medical treatment would be needed and i won't go into detail here. I'll just say that all burns bigger than your hand should be seen by a doctor as well as all partial thickness and full thickness burns. In addition all electrical burns (lots of internal damage) and chemical burns should be examined by a medical professional as soon as possible.
Scissors
Tweezers
Sterile medical tape
Safety pins
A facemask for CPR is useful, but the current guidelines (in the UK at least) are that the important component of CPR is the compressions rather than the rescue breaths. Of course, CPR is really something you need to learn and be qualified in before you even consider just giving it to people.
More important than what you carry in you first aid kit is what yu carry in your mental first aid kit. Take a course and get up on the knowledge so you know what to do if something terrible were to happen as the right knowledge can make a small kit go a long way.
"take nothing but pictures, leaving nothing but footprints...unless it would be really fun" |
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Mark
 
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: If you get injured...
<Reply # 10 on 10/24/2006 4:47 AM >
| | | | This has been gone over several times before. A few basic items were talked about.
Quick Clot agent: This substance can be found more redely now then ever. It cost about 20 ish dollars, has a super long shelf life, and can save someone that has massive bleeding. This item is probably the hardest to get a hold of (found regularly on the net only) and comes with a few warnings.
Do not use on neck, or head wounds. Also don't use it on a sucking chest wound.
saran Wrap: Great stuff, Cheap, easy to use, easy way to bandage things or keep severed fingers clean for reattaching. If you get a role cut it into 2-4" wide roles, and throw in your pack.
This stuff is a must for a sucking chest wound, such as falling on objects, compound rib breaks.
Self Appliable tourniquet: All the old wives tales about looseing arms and legs from using one are pretty much false. Tourniquet's are only dangerous to limbs if left on for several hours without medical attention. The reason I feel these are probably the most important item never seen in UE.
Heres a few applications. Major lacerations to appendages, compound frature resulting in damage to femoral/other arteries. Severing of digits/lower appendages.
Things like this can happen during falls, crashes, tripping on to sharp metal etc.
www.C-A-Tourniquet.com has one that I usually carry with me every where.
The website is more geared for military, but they show you how to use the item online (you get basicly a class) and items similar to the above range from the 15-30 dollar range.
High electrolyte fluid: Probably the most common and unforseen danger is Heat related. This can happen 365 days a year. When we move around buildings and are layered etc even in the winter someone could bit the big one. Many people on this forum have had close calls with this issue, and its probably more dangerous then cuts bumps scrapes.
That being said how does one store fluids like this? Well many ways but several medical companies carry little pouches of specialized fluid. Much like caprisun packages but flatter, and far more effective. If you shell out a few bucks chances are you wont use the good stuff unless its an emergency, and this will prevent you from forgetting that you drank your back up water bottle.
I can't stress hydration enough, because if you are not hydrated then the above products will be more imparitive. If you bone up on proper fluids you will be more likely to get hurt.
If you dont buy the good shit double check you have a small emergency bottle, and one of those powerade squeeze packages filled with electrolytes.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: If you get injured...
<Reply # 11 on 10/24/2006 4:50 AM >
| | | | By the way I have never found tweezers very useful for first-aide unless your doing your own field stiching.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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DrranXCore
Location: Winnipeg
Gender: Male
Pigeons are fuckin' scary man
| | | Re: If you get injured...
<Reply # 12 on 10/25/2006 12:15 AM >
| | | | i know a know for tieing yourself to a harness/rope with one hand in case your arm gets broken or something but i couldn't explain it on here 
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TexasMike
Location: DFW Metroplex
Gender: Male
Have Camera Will Explore
| | | Re: If you get injured...
<Reply # 13 on 10/27/2006 5:03 PM >
| | | | Depending on where I go my kit varies.
But at the minimum I carry my Cell Phone, a small first aid kit for sprains and cuts and my partner 
I definitely try and make it a point of never going alone.
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kjohnnytarr
Location: Columbia, Missouri
Gender: Male
Team Asbestos: CoMO
| | | Re: If you get injured...
<Reply # 14 on 10/27/2006 6:14 PM >
| | | | Posted by Mark
By the way I have never found tweezers very useful for first-aide unless your doing your own field stiching.
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Clearly you've never had metal splinters. The tweezers on my swiss army knife get used almost as often as the blade.
I like that bit about the saran wrap. I've always carried tin foil to tape down for those punctured lung wounds, but I think I may replace it with saran now. Do you use it alongside gauze for bleeding too? That seems feasible, except that if the first gauze pad soaks through, you can't apply more without taking off the first layer of saran. That's why most people use a wrapping that will absorb blood as well.
-K
It seemed like a good idea at the time... |
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: If you get injured...
<Reply # 15 on 10/27/2006 9:08 PM >
| | | | Posted by kjohnnytarr
Clearly you've never had metal splinters. The tweezers on my swiss army knife get used almost as often as the blade.
I like that bit about the saran wrap. I've always carried tin foil to tape down for those punctured lung wounds, but I think I may replace it with saran now. Do you use it alongside gauze for bleeding too? That seems feasible, except that if the first gauze pad soaks through, you can't apply more without taking off the first layer of saran. That's why most people use a wrapping that will absorb blood as well.
-K
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Splinters arent a huge concern I usually cut them out and clean out the wound.
I got it more for sucking chest wound issues but it works great as a backup bandage wrap. Also if you have to keep intestines moist, if they fall out, it traps the wetness.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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kjohnnytarr
Location: Columbia, Missouri
Gender: Male
Team Asbestos: CoMO
| | | Re: If you get injured...
<Reply # 16 on 10/27/2006 10:12 PM >
| | | | Posted by Mark
Splinters arent a huge concern I usually cut them out and clean out the wound.
I got it more for sucking chest wound issues but it works great as a backup bandage wrap. Also if you have to keep intestines moist, if they fall out, it traps the wetness.
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That's hardcore man. Do you have your WFR or something? I may be getting that cert. this January.
It seemed like a good idea at the time... |
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MutantMandias
Perverse and Often Baffling
Location: Atlanta, GA
Gender: Male
Are you a reporter? Contact me for a UE interview! Also not averse to the the idea of group/anal.
| | | Re: If you get injured...
<Reply # 17 on 10/28/2006 2:56 AM >
| | | | Posted by Mark
Splinters arent a huge concern I usually cut them out and clean out the wound.
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Yeah, I usually don't bother with tweezers either. They're just frustrating. I actually find it less painful to cut deeply and remove the whole patch of flesh.
mutantMandias may cause dizziness, sexual nightmares, and sleep crime. ++++ mutantMandias has to return some videotapes ++++ Do not taunt mutantMandias
mutantMandias is something more than human, more than a computer. mutantMandias is a murderously intelligent, sensually self-programmed, non-being |
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: If you get injured...
<Reply # 18 on 10/28/2006 1:50 PM >
| | | | Both parents were fire fighters and I have done F responder etc.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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