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 kjohnnytarr
  
Location: Columbia, Missouri
Gender: Male
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 |  |  | Security Cameras: Is anyone really looking at them?
< on 9/30/2006 6:44 AM >
|  | | | Specifically, I'm wondering what the odds are that anyone is watching the tape from a security camera in a utility tunnel. I would think that would be impractical, since 99% of the time, there's absolutley nothing going on in front of the camera in question. Would a camera like that take video at the normal framerate, ie in realtime, or is it more likely to be the sort of camera that takes only a couple frames per second? I don't want to give away too much about where I'm talking about, but I'd appreciate it if anyone had experience with this sort of thing, and could tell me about the risk. Thanks to all in advance.
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| |  | |  | Re: Security Cameras: Is anyone really looking at them?
<Reply # 1 on 9/30/2006 7:09 AM >
| | | | Posted by kjohnnytarr
Specifically, I'm wondering what the odds are that anyone is watching the tape from a security camera in a utility tunnel. I would think that would be impractical, since 99% of the time, there's absolutley nothing going on in front of the camera in question. Would a camera like that take video at the normal framerate, ie in realtime, or is it more likely to be the sort of camera that takes only a couple frames per second? I don't want to give away too much about where I'm talking about, but I'd appreciate it if anyone had experience with this sort of thing, and could tell me about the risk. Thanks to all in advance.
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The few places that have a tunnel system with a camera system I know about, its activated on motion, but run at the full NTSC video standard at 29.97 fps.
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HillbillyHorus
 
Location: Charlottesville Virginia
Gender: Male
Im in ur government, killin ur d00dz
| | | Re: Security Cameras: Is anyone really looking at them?
<Reply # 2 on 9/30/2006 1:27 PM >
| | | | We have cameras all over my school and I've done extremely sketchy stuff in full view of one; I don't think they monitor them, they just review the tape if they know something's happened. But yeah, with a utility tunnel they're usually activated by motion.
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kjohnnytarr
Location: Columbia, Missouri
Gender: Male
Team Asbestos: CoMO
| | | Re: Security Cameras: Is anyone really looking at them?
<Reply # 3 on 9/30/2006 3:13 PM >
| | | | If it's activated by motion, would it be hooked into a silent alarm?
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: Security Cameras: Is anyone really looking at them?
<Reply # 4 on 9/30/2006 10:51 PM >
| | | | A camera can by interfaced with smart software that uses predefined parameters. There's no reason not to have all cameras multiplexed, active 24/7, and running a continuous loop that's days even weeks long. I would. They can also use the recordings if need be in the future to R&D an incident, or to see if there has been breaches. Sometimes just watching you yields more information, doesn't tip their hand, and provides disinformation to intruders. I stay away from active sites because I really don't need this kind of spy verses spy BS; there's always someone smarter than you.
That fact that the cameras are there means that the owner(s) are concerned; a good indication that they're willing to press charges if criminal events take place.
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Tyralus
 
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
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| | Re: Security Cameras: Is anyone really looking at them?
<Reply # 5 on 9/30/2006 10:55 PM >
| | | | Posted by Horus
We have cameras all over my school and I've done extremely sketchy stuff in full view of one; I don't think they monitor them, they just review the tape if they know something's happened. But yeah, with a utility tunnel they're usually activated by motion.
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That's the same with my school. I've climbed into the rafters of the school in full camera view, without being bothered.
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blaistom77
Location: Norman Okla
Gender: Male
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| |  | Re: Security Cameras: Is anyone really looking at them?
<Reply # 6 on 12/22/2006 2:47 AM >
| | | | HI Members.................First let me tell you this.I install CCTV VIDEO SYSTEMS and what i do know is this..most systems i have put in go to a video monitor..thats on a switcher..so if the person does not have it running in the switch mode no one going to see nothing.....They end up keep it on one camera most of the time...........
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spyguy67
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| | Re: Security Cameras: Is anyone really looking at them?
<Reply # 7 on 12/23/2006 5:58 AM >
|  | | | first what kind of security does the site have? as in do they have active security? if so then chances are that someone will be aware of you in the tunnel.
with a multiplexing system you can have many cameras on a screen at once, when movment is detected on that camera the system will go to full screen and if someone is watching your busted. if it is a standalone system with no one watching then the only way you will be caught is if you do something that calls for them to review the video.
most system are on a seven day loop so after seven days they erase those files.
i am still working on a camera tutorial and will finish it soon.
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| | Re: Security Cameras: Is anyone really looking at them?
<Reply # 8 on 12/23/2006 6:06 AM >
| | | | Generally, if a camera is present in a location that usually never has traffic, it will have some way of notifying an operator when there is motion. For example, the camera is PROBABLY recorded 24x7, but will send an alert signal to the operator if it detects motion.
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| | | Re: Security Cameras: Is anyone really looking at them?
<Reply # 9 on 12/23/2006 6:25 AM >
| | | | Posted by ExKa|iBuR
Generally, if a camera is present in a location that usually never has traffic, it will have some way of notifying an operator when there is motion. For example, the camera is PROBABLY recorded 24x7, but will send an alert signal to the operator if it detects motion.
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Yes, a whole new generation of smart cameras are out there. Some have onboard CPUs and "think" for themselves. Best to avoid active sites...
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R.e.t
Location: Oakville/Burlington
| | Re: Security Cameras: Is anyone really looking at them?
<Reply # 10 on 12/23/2006 3:25 PM >
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That's the same with my school. I've climbed into the rafters of the school in full camera view, without being bothered. |
They didn't even record at my old school...they just had a big TV hanging in the office that switched every 30 seconds to a diff. camera.
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Axle
Location: Milton, ON
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| | Re: Security Cameras: Is anyone really looking at them?
<Reply # 11 on 12/24/2006 9:51 PM >
| | | | First off, don't do anything to mess with any sort of security system, surefire way to get a place sealed up tight and watched more closely.
Second, cameras are for the most part on a switched monitor, and also recorded at the same time. However, these records are only used if something serious happens (ie breach of security).
Best bet avoid cameras at all cost. Oh, and if you do set off an alarm, any type of alarm, leave quickly, but don't look suspicious.
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Location: Canada
| | Re: Security Cameras: Is anyone really looking at them?
<Reply # 12 on 12/27/2006 2:48 PM >
| | | | Posted by kjohnnytarr
If it's activated by motion, would it be hooked into a silent alarm?
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Think about it more practically -- is there anything there that is worth stealing? If not odds are that there is not that much attention on it to begin with.If you see tools, computers and expensive items around you, I would look for another way to get in. Security individuals only care about preventing theft.
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: Security Cameras: Is anyone really looking at them?
<Reply # 13 on 12/27/2006 7:08 PM >
| | | | If there's copper there, there's something to steal. Arson is another big concern, and vandalism, as are people being injured. The fact that there are cameras or alarms shows the intent of owners.
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Recoil
Location: Halifax, NS
Gender: Male
| | Re: Security Cameras: Is anyone really looking at them?
<Reply # 14 on 1/1/2007 2:43 AM >
| | | | I work student security at my University.
I am in the office right now and there is a TV up in the corner of the room above my partner an I with 20 different camera feeds.
I don't think we've looked at it yet tonight. From what I gather, security guards are usually doing things other than glaring at a security monitor. Unless they happen to be watching it at the exact moment you pass by, or they see you out of the corner of their eye I doubt monitors are watched all that frequently.
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kjohnnytarr
Location: Columbia, Missouri
Gender: Male
Team Asbestos: CoMO
| | | Re: Security Cameras: Is anyone really looking at them?
<Reply # 15 on 1/1/2007 3:55 AM >
| | | | Wow, this thread's seen a revival!
An update and an explanation: The camera is in a college tunnel. It appears to stand alone. I was surprised the camera was there (it's in a random spot), but I found a linked tunnel nearby that explains it. The linked tunnel leads to our big ol' power-plant. I walked right into the basement, lights on, loud as hell. Active/sensitive as anyplace I've ever been.
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: Security Cameras: Is anyone really looking at them?
<Reply # 16 on 1/1/2007 4:34 AM >
| | | | Posted by kjohnnytarr
Wow, this thread's seen a revival!
An update and an explanation: The camera is in a college tunnel. It appears to stand alone. I was surprised the camera was there (it's in a random spot), but I found a linked tunnel nearby that explains it. The linked tunnel leads to our big ol' power-plant. I walked right into the basement, lights on, loud as hell. Active/sensitive as anyplace I've ever been.
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Sensitive is the word. Students are housed on that campus? Save yourself a lot of grief and stay clear. Charges can be severe as can the consequences.
The living are always trouble.
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CaptOrbit
Location: Sarasota, FL or Cincinnati, OH
Gender: Male
There you are, right back in the jungle again.
| | | Re: Security Cameras: Is anyone really looking at them?
<Reply # 17 on 1/1/2007 6:44 AM >
| | | | . Active site = Social Engineering
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Recoil
Location: Halifax, NS
Gender: Male
| | Re: Security Cameras: Is anyone really looking at them?
<Reply # 18 on 1/2/2007 6:55 AM >
| | | | Posted by kjohnnytarr
Wow, this thread's seen a revival!
An update and an explanation: The camera is in a college tunnel. It appears to stand alone. I was surprised the camera was there (it's in a random spot), but I found a linked tunnel nearby that explains it. The linked tunnel leads to our big ol' power-plant. I walked right into the basement, lights on, loud as hell. Active/sensitive as anyplace I've ever been.
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I have a situation here almost exactly like that.
Beneath the main Administration building there are a few levels that are actively used. One is the very bottom which is offices and a few seminar rooms. The one up from that is where the campus bar is, and leading off are old steam tunnels that run between the residences so students do not have to go outside, very convenient.
At the end of the right tunnel there is a door that has a small padlock on it, there was a tunnel in there that led to a residence bay beside the admin. building, but there was an accident, or it was deemed unsafe and they closed it off and maintenance uses it to store stuff.
Anyway, there is a really big camera directly outside of it facing down the hall towards the bar. I would consider this area to be somewhat sensitive since all it would take was one like bump on that padlock and students could then travel in warmth instead of trudging to the snow like all the other kids DON'T.
I am not saying that it is as sensitive as a power generator/plant, but chances are (as it is here) if there haven't been any real incidents in the past, and the camera is just there "in-case" no one is glaring at it every moment.
Depending on how big your university (or THE university) is the security might work in shifts. I know that with my partner we take turns switching up internal/external rounds of the school so there are usually spans of half an hour within every 2 hour stretch where there is no one in the office.
However we are just student security since our campus is quite small, larger schools will have better and more frequent security. Stick around a bit at the school, try and see what their rounds are like, or find out if security has an office social engineer yourself in there to get a glimpse at where the camera monitor is positioned and you can probably figure out how likely it is that someone would be watching it.
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| |  | Re: Security Cameras: Is anyone really looking at them?
<Reply # 19 on 1/3/2007 12:56 AM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
If there's copper there, there's something to steal. Arson is another big concern, and vandalism, as are people being injured. The fact that there are cameras or alarms shows the intent of owners.
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For sure. Copper and other scrap metal is a huge racket around here. I've seen several locations where entire walls have been ripped out just to extract copper. Building owners don't tend to smile upon this type of activity. Even if the site looks pretty well abandoned, there's a good chance someone is keeping it around for some reason, and is keeping an eye out for copper thieves, especially if it's a large scale residential or industrial site.
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