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UER Forum > Archived Forum Announcements > A personal request (Viewed 2027 times)
Mike Dijital 

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Re: A personal request
<Reply # 20 on 4/15/2006 12:12 PM >
Posted on Forum: UER Forum
 
I wasnt going to post on here anymore but the rare occation, so here it is

Heres what I see. UER has gone from great to good, to bad to awful. AV knew it. and most of the people who made UER when it first came out saw it. Most of the people not living in a UER Nether nether land can see right through this, UER is on the verge of sink or swim and im sure its easier to hand it over to a pack of newly appointed mods to fail and blame them for the enivitable rather than hang around for the flames

next issue, ive been on UER since almost the begining, i didnt officially register for a bit, but i remember reading the first ever call for mods, I as an oldschooler dont know, trust or recognize any of the new leaders. Well Keti and Drie but i barely ever see drie online period and Keti isnt enough to swing misguided decisions from the other mods

Misfit style is the WRONG person to have up front if your trying to win support, already with his OVERBEARING locking of threads, and preflame locking just on an assuption is painting UER as Misfitsstyles new Ego trip. Sure he comes out here shouting no no no not me, but actions speak VOLUMES over words and if your ever going to break this ice, he needs to step back and let someone who hasnt pissed off the masses before AV left be the headpiece


This all happened to fast , to people who didnt even have the mod jobs down well. This will implode, and not out here in the open, but behind the scenes. too many people jockying for head shot position around here. and dont let the " No i'm not " attitude fool you


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This is not an attack on any mod, cause i could give a shit if uer sinks or swims, but more of an observation,

now I shall tuck back into my hole untill people pester me again about uer



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Re: A personal request
<Reply # 21 on 4/15/2006 12:40 PM >
Posted on Forum: UER Forum
 
-NOT DIRECTED AT ANY INDIVIDUAL MOD-

But, Mike raises a good question in my mind. Maybe Im slow and this has already been addressed.

Suppose one of the mods DOES become overbearing, abusive or just unfair?

Not saying that any of them do but what IF?

Do the other mods plan to take action to correct that? Do we use the alleged forum suggestion form we are told will be made available?

What if a large number say 30 or 40 or 729 members fill out a forum suggestion form to complain or have one removed?

If a large number of members just cant tolerate the actions of one or more of the new leader-mods, or just needs a grievance arbitrated, what is their recourse, leave and find another site?


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Re: A personal request
<Reply # 22 on 4/15/2006 12:48 PM >
Posted on Forum: UER Forum
 
it has been said that a problem with one mod should be taken up with the other mods. they are self-policing.

And in regards to -misfitstyle-. I have NO problem with him. At all. I dont know him personally, so maybe in real life I'd hate him or something, but from what I see him doing here I have no complaints. He's doing what a mod should do. He moderating, and even more, hes trying to make the board better. People dislike him for the soleand only reason that his name is attached to all the locks and edits. He got there first! Thats it! He saw a problem and took care of it. I think users should cut him some slack and realize that he's not some power hungry overlord.
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Re: A personal request
<Reply # 23 on 4/15/2006 12:52 PM >
Posted on Forum: UER Forum
 
Look at how the circle is completed.

Av steps down and puts the site administration in care of the mods because he is sick of having his character and motives attacked at every turn.

And what happens? You guys start attacking the mods, starting with the most visible and possibly the most helpful and well-meaning one of them all.

Some of you guys need to stop thinking of yourselves for just one minute and give others the benefit of the doubt. The ongoing success of this site should be more important than YOUR political aspirations!!

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Re: A personal request
<Reply # 24 on 4/15/2006 1:31 PM >
Posted on Forum: UER Forum
 
Posted by Raticus
So you think when you guys resigned that it made things all better? Tell me how quiting was the right thing? Tell me how that helped this site. And, I'm still waiting on someone to show me ONE link to a site that is run like a democratic governmental body, and is running successfully.

Still waiting. It ain't out there.


And why do you care so much about these examples? It almost never occurs and with good reason:

IT IS A WEB-SITE

Stop treating UER as some sort of #@$@ing government entity when it is not. It is just a web-site, a community of like minded individuals. Moderators in the past were sufficient, so why can't you guys do your duties fine? Do we really need a Council? Or a chamber? Or what about a Sargent At Aarms as someone suggested???

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Re: A personal request
<Reply # 25 on 4/15/2006 2:22 PM >
Posted on Forum: UER Forum
 
I agree with most of the points made by Turbozutek, The first thing to do in order to move forewards would be to reinstate Forum Issues, At least then we can have a platform for discussion about the issues. At present there are more discussions going on in more places than i think anyone can keep track of.

Reinstating forum issues would be a good starting point and show that the present heads are at least willing to listen to the concerns being raised.

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Re: A personal request
<Reply # 26 on 4/15/2006 2:38 PM >
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Although most of you don't want to listen to the insolent little fifteen year old, I'm going to say this anyways.

Let us rid ourselves of the other forum. The other forum is where the majority of the arguing breaks out. Whether the topic is about politics or slurpees, people find a way to argue about it. Making the Other forum full-members only helped, but not enough. It may bring the site together as a whole, but it also pushes us apart.

EDIT: after all this site is supposed to be about UE, not about Urethra Sex or some forty year old ass (I mean you no offense Squidget).

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Re: A personal request
<Reply # 27 on 4/15/2006 2:45 PM >
Posted on Forum: UER Forum
 
Posted by Sinister Crayon
Although most of you don't want to listen to the insolent little fifteen year old, I'm going to say this anyways.

Let us rid ourselves of the other forum. The other forum is where the majority of the arguing breaks out. Whether the topic is about politics or slurpees, people find a way to argue about it. Making the Other forum full-members only helped, but not enough. It may bring the site together as a whole, but it also pushes us apart.

EDIT: after all this site is supposed to be about UE, not about Urethra Sex or some forty year old ass (I mean you no offense Squidget).

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While the value of the other forum is debateable surely the focus at present should be to try to get some clear direction for this site? can't the debate about the other section wait untill some of the other issues have been dealt with?

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Re: A personal request
<Reply # 28 on 4/15/2006 3:00 PM >
Posted on Forum: UER Forum
 
Posted by Myelin
Look at how the circle is completed.

Av steps down and puts the site administration in care of the mods because he is sick of having his character and motives attacked at every turn.

And what happens? You guys start attacking the mods, starting with the most visible and possibly the most helpful and well-meaning one of them all.

Some of you guys need to stop thinking of yourselves for just one minute and give others the benefit of the doubt. The ongoing success of this site should be more important than YOUR political aspirations!!


x2.

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Re: A personal request
<Reply # 29 on 4/15/2006 3:19 PM >
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Posted by RM


While the value of the other forum is debatable surely the focus at present should be to try to get some clear direction for this site? can't the debate about the other section wait until some of the other issues have been dealt with?


I agree - let's not loose sight of the primary issue here.

There will be plenty of time to discuss 'other' problems later!

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Re: A personal request
<Reply # 30 on 4/15/2006 3:42 PM >
Posted on Forum: UER Forum
 
Ok. So I'm gonna go out on a limb here and propose things, so we can go ahead :

-Bring back the forum issues sub-menu
-Let's put back Chainsaw's election group in action. People were nominated to be on the "let's organize an election" group. I suggest those individuals become part of a private forum and discuss how to organize a democratic election. They'll decide in private the form, the number of seats and all the details, with May 1st being the deadline to start the election.
-In the meantime, mods are in charge. Crap, stupid, irrelevant posts will be deleted and if necessary, members will get ban so we can move ahead.

New slogan for the next UER : UER - less bitching, more exploring.

Come on, let's get moving.

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Re: A personal request
<Reply # 31 on 4/15/2006 4:41 PM >
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Posted by Jester

You, unlike myself and the other unselfish mods that resigned, had an option we did not have. You could have pushed the democratic option and made it happen fairly.
You chose not to.


We did not CHOSE NOT TO. The poll was put out, people voted, Av decided what the votes meant to him, and he did it. Period.

Posted by Jester
Were I in your position,



You were, and you quit.

You know, all of the mods have put themselves out in front of you, offered to listen, to help, to make this site positive and fun for those of us who take UE seriously, and you guys are now doing to us just what you did to Av. I'm about to take Misfit's position, just go in everyday, do the moderating, not post, not talk, not email, do my job, go on about my business. You said you wanted communication, but when we try, we get bashed.

Everyone talks about this very general and loose theoretical idea of democratic web site structures. But no one, including you, seems to know how the hell do to that. So I've said what I had to say, I won't respond to this anymore. I'm going on about my business of being a mod, doing the job Av told us to do, and I'm going to explore in the meantime. If you still think I missed your point, that's cool. I think you missed mine too. Have a nice day.
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Re: A personal request
<Reply # 32 on 4/15/2006 5:16 PM >
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Yeah, I for one dont really care who rules UER. At this point the mods stand as good a chance to rule well as any other system that could be put forth. Av stepped down, what, maybe a week ago? I'm not too picky with who is in charge as long as they are willing to listen to what everyone has to say and base their decisions on the wants and needs of the community.

My first contention with this new regime change (I learned that one from CNN!) is the loss of Forum Issues. I understand the need for the Mods Only forum and have no objection to Mods talking privately there, but to make every decision and every discussion be closed off from the eyes of the community that these decisions affect is not right. Forum Issues is a valuable place for us all to come together and talk about, well, forum issues. Yes, some threads become flame wars and yes, some people get angry over what is said and discussed in the Issues, but is there really anything wrong with that? Of course some of the discussions in there are hot issues and of course people will get heated in defense of their beliefs, but just because some people are arguing doesn't mean the thread needs to get locked and deleted. And even more so, it doesn't mean that the entire section of the Forums should get axed.

Under this new system we're supposed to Private Message or Email a mod of our choice with our problems. If 50 people start messaging a slew of mods, then the mods will probably get together and discuss the problem in their private forum. But what if only 2 or 3 people message a few mods? The problem may never be brought up for the mod community to discuss upon. With the Forum Issues it only takes one person to start a thread and bring a problem to light, then everyone else in the forums that is effected by the problem can just take sides after that. Bottom line, for this community to be run with any ideal of the community at large helping to run itself, it needs a place to talk about its problems.

My second problem is with the Location Database. This is a very important issue and is about half the battle to steer UER back in the right direction, if not more than half. I had some good suggestions for the LDB as did many other people, but any input in that discussion was apparently deemed worthless when it got scrapped with the rest of Forum Issues. I can't even copy and paste my post and Message it to a mod because I can't see it any more.

So Now to have my suggestions heard, I have to message a mod and get them to find my post in the archives of deleted shit, then have them bring it up on their own board (which I have no way of guaranteeing they will) and hope the mods understand my concept of the LDB right (as I have no way to see what they say about it or how they interpret it). It just doesn't seem like an efficient use of the mod's time.

Again, bring back Forum Issues and we can move all this discussion about the slew of UER's problems over there. Mods can say whatever they want on their private board, but at least we can ALL come together and talk in Issues.

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Re: A personal request
<Reply # 33 on 4/15/2006 6:30 PM >
Posted on Forum: UER Forum
 
Posted by Raticus


We did not CHOSE NOT TO. The poll was put out, people voted, Av decided what the votes meant to him, and he did it. Period.



You were, and you quit.

You know, all of the mods have put themselves out in front of you, offered to listen, to help, to make this site positive and fun for those of us who take UE seriously, and you guys are now doing to us just what you did to Av. I'm about to take Misfit's position, just go in everyday, do the moderating, not post, not talk, not email, do my job, go on about my business. You said you wanted communication, but when we try, we get bashed.

Everyone talks about this very general and loose theoretical idea of democratic web site structures. But no one, including you, seems to know how the hell do to that. So I've said what I had to say, I won't respond to this anymore. I'm going on about my business of being a mod, doing the job Av told us to do, and I'm going to explore in the meantime. If you still think I missed your point, that's cool. I think you missed mine too. Have a nice day.


You don't get it. You are all fine for communication as long as it all agrees with you ? As soon as the communication doesn't, you don't want to participate in it anymore ? And you think you're right for a position of power ? That as soon as your idea is not supported, you say you won't communicate about it anymore ?


You want to know how to do it ?

Put Chainsaw's electoral process back into action.

Let it run it's course without ANY INTERFERENCE by anyone worried about losing their oh so precious power.

If the people believe the current mods end up in power after that, I'll support it and i'm sure most everyone else would because they felt it was an honest and fair selection. If you're so good for the position, you'd be in after the process.

BUT, if after a real legitimate process, you and other mods are not what the membership felt is right for controlling this site, you should abide by that and not railroad the process or result.

Why fear a legitimate process unless you fear you're not up to par to make the cut ?




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Re: A personal request
<Reply # 34 on 4/15/2006 7:53 PM >
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Posted by Jester


You don't get it. You are all fine for communication as long as it all agrees with you ? As soon as the communication doesn't, you don't want to participate in it anymore ? And you think you're right for a position of power ? That as soon as your idea is not supported, you say you won't communicate about it anymore ?


You want to know how to do it ?

Put Chainsaw's electoral process back into action.

Let it run it's course without ANY INTERFERENCE by anyone worried about losing their oh so precious power.

If the people believe the current mods end up in power after that, I'll support it and i'm sure most everyone else would because they felt it was an honest and fair selection. If you're so good for the position, you'd be in after the process.

BUT, if after a real legitimate process, you and other mods are not what the membership felt is right for controlling this site, you should abide by that and not railroad the process or result.

Why fear a legitimate process unless you fear you're not up to par to make the cut ?





well said man. I agree with you.

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Re: A personal request
<Reply # 35 on 4/15/2006 9:06 PM >
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Posted by Plytheman

So Now to have my suggestions heard, I have to message a mod and get them to find my post in the archives of deleted shit, then have them bring it up on their own board (which I have no way of guaranteeing they will)


Plytheman, please, everyone listen. WE DIDN"T TAKE IT OUT. Av did. The mods can no longer see it either. If you wanted one of us to pull up an old thread, at least right now, we can't. We cannot see it either. We didn't take it out... Av did.


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Re: A personal request
<Reply # 36 on 4/15/2006 10:02 PM >
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i've just contacted a sicilian hitman...
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Re: A personal request
<Reply # 37 on 4/15/2006 10:21 PM >
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I'd have to pretty much go with Mike Dijital and Jester. I personally knew a few of the old mods and didn't know some at all except for online. I think all of them acted very selfless. Jester could have been a bit of an ass with his ethics, but that's understandable. He was good at his job, they all were. I know for a fact that Freak and MacG were definately the good guys, having explored with them often and sat in jail for 2 days with one. I never rememeber seeing them go lock happy on threads. They were and always will be pretty laid back about letting things slide til it crosses the line. I can see that a heavy weight has been lifted from both of them. We need rules, but when you come off like a jackass, people tend to take it negatively. I think if a site is to last it must be run a bit more like a pirate ship. The captian is elected by the crew, and calls the shots, but really doesn't have any more power than the rest. It's just that someone has to be in charge. That's the way my shop runs. I'm the boss, I pay the bills, but my guys work WITH me, not FOR me. And every once in awhile a firecracker gets shoved under the door when I'm taking a shit too. Har matey's, works out yer shit or walks tha plank!

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Re: A personal request
<Reply # 38 on 4/15/2006 10:38 PM >
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Wow, haven't been on the site as much as I used to and damn, it's starting to crumble.. I like Misfit and all however the old Mod team; Jester, Crossfire, etc. were great... I don't see what the problem is? Let av do his thing with the site and he won't be labelled the "owner" of the site... Then have some moderators running it? Stop bitchin'. People that bitch and complain annoy others and cause shit like this.

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Re: A personal request
<Reply # 39 on 4/16/2006 5:20 AM >
Posted on Forum: UER Forum
 
Not that I personally care either way because I think all these forum politics are overly dramatic and ludicrous, but:

Regardless of if Av pulled the thread or not, that does not matter. There is an ostensible show of support for a reinstatement of the democratic process that was in the works prior to the release of the global poll results. So, it is in moderators power (as per current UER structure) to act.

Considering some of the most active contributors to the site were vocal supports of Chainsaw's initiative and further realizing that any proposed changes are neither definite nor irreversible, why not go back to the drawing board. If moderators are to fulfill their duty as ambassadors of UER who have a vested interest in the site's future, than there should be no need for deliberation or debate. Simply start discussing again

The argument that "the decision has been made" does not reflect the moderator's assertion that decisions will be made based on the collective interest of the site.

Sorry if that post was at all incoherent, I'm half watching a movie, and half asleep.

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