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 Jonsered
     
Location: Back in New Mexico where I belong
Gender: Male
Dressed for a scarecrow ball.........
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< on 3/20/2006 10:15 PM >
|  | | | I'm a long time film photographer who went digital about 2 years ago. Since the switch, I'm just not satisfied with the quality of my pics. I was no expert to begin with, but I used to get vivid color and nice depth of field out of my old Pentax.
This pic was shot Sunday, on a clear sunny day, using every trick I have learned with the new camera, and I'm still not pumped. Take a look please, and maybe you can point me in the right direction.
Thanks in advance.
I have changed my personal exploring ethics code. From now on it will be: "Take only aimed shots, leave only hobo corpses." Copper scrappers, meth heads and homeless beware. The Jonsered cometh among you, bringing fear and dread.
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Myelin
Location: The End of Canada
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 1 on 3/20/2006 10:35 PM >
| | | | I have recently switched to shooting RAW, and so correcting colour and other image properties with Photoshop, rather than dealing with the already baked JPG. If this option is available to you, you may want to consider doing so as well. It seems to be "accepted" in digital circles that digital photos will be wacked to begin with and post-processing properties like white balance and saturation is just accepted as part of the game in producing a printable image.
[last edit 3/20/2006 10:36 PM by Myelin - edited 1 times]
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desmet
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
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<Reply # 2 on 3/22/2006 12:09 AM >
| | | | For that shot I'd go B&W...
Myelin is 100% correct, though. Digital is post processing. Definitely start shooting in RAW, and get yourself a decent raw converter (the one in Photoshop is loved by many, but I think it sucks...I'm a Capture One guy). You will also need photoshop and a proficiency in it. You need to learn about layers, layer masks, adjustment layers, sharpening methods, etc. I don't know how much of this you already do or don't know, but there is just no escaping the idea that you have to learn photoshop if you want to shoot digital. Not knowing PS well is like not knowing what fix is for.
Personally I don't like using Photoshop 1/2 as much as I liked working in a darkroom. I view it as a huge chore, whereas working in the dark room was a pleasure. But there's just no way around it.
You mentioned vivd colors...if you want vivid colors check out Velvia Vision by Fred Miranda...
http://www.fredmiranda.com/shopping/vv
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Caveman6666
Location: NY
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<Reply # 3 on 3/23/2006 5:46 PM >
| | | | Posted by desmet
I don't know how much of this you already do or don't know, but there is just no escaping the idea that you have to learn photoshop if you want to shoot digital. |
A real photographer doesn't need post-image processing to get the point across. The shot is enough. Take away their PS, and a lot of these ubiquitous UE photographers are nothing more than a regular putz with a camera.
Yet another unoriginal generic UE website. GODDAM! |
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Mutt
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Location: Bunbury, Western Australia
Support your local Funeral Director ----- Drop Dead!
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<Reply # 4 on 3/23/2006 9:33 PM >
| | | | | UE photographers are nothing more than a regular putz with a camera. |
Hey now I resemble that remark! lol.
You are right though. If your camera is set up properly for the shot, including white balance, saturation etc... you should be able to go from card to web. I'm not advocating that people dump their entire cards onto the DB, please edit them for content first and dont post multiple images of the same thing that everyone else has taken pictures of.
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Jonsered
Location: Back in New Mexico where I belong
Gender: Male
Dressed for a scarecrow ball.........
| | | | Re: Need Some Help
<Reply # 5 on 3/23/2006 9:52 PM >
| | | | Many thanks for all the comments. I suppose practice makes perfect!
I have changed my personal exploring ethics code. From now on it will be: "Take only aimed shots, leave only hobo corpses." Copper scrappers, meth heads and homeless beware. The Jonsered cometh among you, bringing fear and dread.
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desmet
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
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<Reply # 6 on 3/24/2006 12:09 AM >
| | | | Posted by Caveman6666
A real photographer doesn't need post-image processing to get the point across. The shot is enough. Take away their PS, and a lot of these ubiquitous UE photographers are nothing more than a regular putz with a camera.
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Bull. Darkroom or Photoshop, test strip or RAW file, magenta or curves, color balance or selenium the greatest photographers of our time have *all* post processed. How many many 8x10's have you made without making a test strip? Did you just guess at the time for each negative? Are Ansel Adam's pictures shit? Are David Nightingale's (http://www.chromasia.com/iblog/index.php)? Both heavily post process.
I certainly understand and respect working with the camera. In my film days I did double and triple exposures in the camera, and I matted everything semi float which does not allow for cropping. With digital it's harder due to the nature of the sensor, but you can certainly churn shots out that are amazing with almost no post processing. But don't make it out like post processing means you're a shitty photographer. The proof is in the end result. Can you overprocess? Hell yea you can, but you can also turn out stuff that's either unique, or looks like it hasn't been over processed. I've seen plenty of both, and the ability to do quality work with photoshop is a talent in itself.
The whole digital photography thing has definitely brought out a lot of shitty photographers, but so what? Yea, it decreases the burn that better photographers get, but that's not why anyone should be doing art in the first place. If people are out there expressing themselves, then good for them.
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Myelin
Location: The End of Canada
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 7 on 3/24/2006 12:57 AM >
| | | | Exactly!
That's why Ansel Adams didn't stop writing his trilogy with just "The Negative".
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Caveman6666
Location: NY
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<Reply # 8 on 3/25/2006 3:03 AM >
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You make some good points; I'll still agree to disagree though.
What gets me about some of these PS queens, is they're somewhat sneaky about it.
"I didn't PS anything. Just cropped them, adjusted the levels, a little unsharp mask, blah blah blah..."
If you need PS to doctor your photos into shape before seeking internet accolades for them, at least fucking be straight about it.
The program is just a tool.
Many of its users are just tools.
PS: Whatever tool put the OUT OF CONTEXT quote under my name, at least have the guts to admit it.
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Yet another unoriginal generic UE website. GODDAM! |
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desmet
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
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<Reply # 9 on 3/25/2006 7:02 AM >
| | | | Posted by Caveman6666
You make some good points; I'll still agree to disagree though. |
OK
Posted by Caveman6666
What gets me about some of these PS queens, is they're somewhat sneaky about it.
"I didn't PS anything. Just cropped them, adjusted the levels, a little unsharp mask, blah blah blah..." |
I dunno, I don't really sweat people's pp technique too much. If I like the picture I like the picture. If they want to share their PP then great, if not I understand. I've had people ask me to tell them shit and it's just like...which image...how much do you want to know. It can be a lot of work and not altogether that easy to describe.
The way I see it if you're going to work in digital then embrace the media's strengths and try to work around it's weaknesses. I want to build a darkroom...bad...but until then I'm going to work in digital and just accept that.
Posted by Caveman6666
If you need PS to doctor your photos into shape before seeking internet accolades for them, at least fucking be straight about it.
The program is just a tool.
Many of its users are just tools. |
When it comes to art I really just try to see what the artist is trying to convey, I don't really give a shit to try and cut them down for some technical details. If they're manifesting their vision then good for them. I try to learn from and encourage what I like and I try not to be a drag when I'm not feeling something.
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Caveman6666
Location: NY
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<Reply # 10 on 3/25/2006 11:54 AM >
| | | | | When it comes to art I really just try to see what the artist is trying to convey, I don't really give a shit to try and cut them down for some technical details. |
It's not about the details or cutting anyone down. It's about not being straight about the fact that photos are digitally manipulated.
Yet another unoriginal generic UE website. GODDAM! |
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