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 OneDeadHero
  
Location: Near Barrie, Ontario
Gender: Female
 |  |  | What do you think of sepia shots?
< on 1/13/2006 1:26 PM >
|  | | | Hey there,
Recently my team member and I went on an excursion and I decided for fun that I'd take a bunch of sepia shots. I also took a bunch of standard shots, incase the sepia wasn't what I was looking for.
If you would, could you look through these and tell me if I should change the way I'm doing the sepia shots, if I should scrap the whole idea altogether, or if these turned out alright?
I'd be interested in seeing anyone elses sepia shots if anyone has any.
Sorry that these are rather large.
o1.
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o6.
Thanks in advance.
Jules
"and no one ever said that hope would be so beautiful..."
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unikprodukt
| | Re: What do you think of sepia shots?
<Reply # 1 on 1/13/2006 1:50 PM >
| | | | Well, for a start, if you are using digital, there is no sense in doing sepia or black and white in-camera. Just take all your pics in colour and if you feel the need for sepia or whatever then do it in post-processing, that way you still have the colour images for documentary purposes.
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unikprodukt
| | Re: What do you think of sepia shots?
<Reply # 2 on 1/13/2006 1:50 PM >
| | | | Also, if you convert an image to monochrome in post processing then you have more options to bias the conversion towards certain colours etc that you wouldn't have otherwise.
[last edit 1/13/2006 1:55 PM by unikprodukt - edited 2 times]
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mortimer
  
Location: teronno
| | | Re: What do you think of sepia shots?
<Reply # 3 on 1/13/2006 2:29 PM >
| | | | Call me old-school if you like, but personally I only like sepia when it's an actual photographic print that's been literally sepia-toned, or tea-stained. And I tend to think many people use sepia to disguise a photo that might be below their usual quality level. But that's just me.
BTW, I like #2 and #5, and I would like #3 a lot more if it didn't take so long to notice the bed frame under the window.
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Opheliaism
   
Moderator
Location: Out on the border of everything and nothing, TN
Ophie
| |  | Re: What do you think of sepia shots?
<Reply # 4 on 1/13/2006 2:37 PM >
| | | | Posted by unikprodukt
Well, for a start, if you are using digital, there is no sense in doing sepia or black and white in-camera. Just take all your pics in colour and if you feel the need for sepia or whatever then do it in post-processing, that way you still have the colour images for documentary purposes.
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Just on a personal preference level, I carry a digital that I only shoot in b&w. I see things that I think will look good in b&w and will switch from the color camera. I also never retouch any my photos. I figure that the way it looked when I shot it, is the way it is supposed to look. Like I said, that is just me.
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desmet
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
| | | | Re: What do you think of sepia shots?
<Reply # 5 on 1/13/2006 2:52 PM >
| | | | I like the sepia, but I agree with the above that it's not worth doing in the camera. I like the sepia cast your camera is giving, but you'll have more flexibility in terms of amount and hue if you shoot color then use the channel mixer to convert to B&W in Photoshop, then use a Hue/Saturation adjustment layer (with "Colorize" checked) to add Sepia or Selenium tone.
#1 - I love the composition, though the blown highlights in the sky on the left are somewhat distracting. I'd burn that down a bit. I'd like to see it releveled too.
#2 - I love the texture and the composition. I would burn the highlights and dodge that one very dark shadow though. This is a great pic though.
#3 - Great! The blown highlights work on this. I might burn the framing on the window a tad just to make it stand out more, but I wouldn't want to lose the look that the window is just radiating light. If it looks too "normal" with the frame burned in I would leave it as is. You could dodge the shadows for more shadow detail, but again don't lose the mood in doing so.
#4 - Great shot, badly blown highlights. I'm afraid the blown highlights kind of ruin this one because detail in the sun is important to the shot IMHO. You could try processing it differently, but I think it may be unsalvageable. Cool composition though. If it weren't for the blown highlights I wouldn't have anything bad to say about this.
#5 - Burn the highlights more, and especially burn the top of the back of the chair to make the tonality match the rest of the chair. I love the texture and the used feel of the chair though and how it stands out from the background. You've got great detail in the background, but somehow that detail only emphasizes the chair that much more. It really makes you wonder about what the chair was used for and how it came to be there and all that. Wonderful shot.
#6 - Burn the highlights and maybe a slightly different crop. I like though.
I think the sepia works really well for all of these, though. Sometimes the "old crust subject -> sepia toning" thing feels played out, but every one of these shots works really well. Honestly if I were you I might tell me to shove it and keep shooting sepia in the camera. The results you have here are really great and the sepia tone your camera is giving is nice.
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desmet
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
| | | | Re: What do you think of sepia shots?
<Reply # 6 on 1/13/2006 2:56 PM >
| | | | Posted by mortimer
Call me old-school if you like, but personally I only like sepia when it's an actual photographic print that's been literally sepia-toned, or tea-stained. And I tend to think many people use sepia to disguise a photo that might be below their usual quality level. But that's just me.
BTW, I like #2 and #5, and I would like #3 a lot more if it didn't take so long to notice the bed frame under the window.
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Do you do any toning with digital pics? I hear you as far as sepia...it's tricky to get a really authentic sepia tone...but I find since moving to digital that a lot of B&W photographs are flat and lifeless probably due to the lack of dynamic range with digital. I find myself using "faux selenium" a lot and that it helps give digital pics more life and make the shot feel "wetter" than if I don't. Even if it's just a slight cast, I find it really helps digital b&w pop more. Maybe that's just my inexperience with digital though.
Examples of what I mean are here...
http://www.desolat.../11/chandlery.html
http://www.desolat...005/11/post_5.html
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unikprodukt
| | Re: What do you think of sepia shots?
<Reply # 7 on 1/13/2006 3:15 PM >
| | | | Posted by Opheliaism
Just on a personal preference level, I carry a digital that I only shoot in b&w. I see things that I think will look good in b&w and will switch from the color camera. I also never retouch any my photos. I figure that the way it looked when I shot it, is the way it is supposed to look. Like I said, that is just me.
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Well, that's a way of working I've never heard of before. You have two digital cameras, one for colour and one for black and white? Isn't it more trouble to carry two and swap them etc than to just change to bw mode? I would also think that you could afford a better camera if you just used one...
I can understand you wanting to keep away from re-touching but don't see the difference between removing the colour in camera or on the computer, it's the same procedure.
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Opheliaism
Moderator
Location: Out on the border of everything and nothing, TN
Ophie
| | | Re: What do you think of sepia shots?
<Reply # 8 on 1/13/2006 3:55 PM >
| | | | Posted by unikprodukt
Well, that's a way of working I've never heard of before. You have two digital cameras, one for colour and one for black and white? Isn't it more trouble to carry two and swap them etc than to just change to bw mode? I would also think that you could afford a better camera if you just used one...
I can understand you wanting to keep away from re-touching but don't see the difference between removing the colour in camera or on the computer, it's the same procedure.
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I actually have three cameras 2 Olympus and 1 Fuji. One of the Olympus is pretty old but it was top of the line when it came out and the Fuji is high end. I find that each camera shoots a little different and I get really different results. I actually enjoy switching it up. Like I said, it is just a personal preference.
Show up at 9:30 with 15 dollars cash and your fingers crossed.
<Mandias> I think she's gonna slug that cop. -------------------------------------------------------- <Axle> "She's just not a farmer Owen, she has too much of her Father in her." <Axle> Death by Hut |
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OneDeadHero
Location: Near Barrie, Ontario
Gender: Female
| | | Re: What do you think of sepia shots?
<Reply # 9 on 1/13/2006 4:58 PM >
| | | | Posted by desmet
Honestly if I were you I might tell me to shove it and keep shooting sepia in the camera. The results you have here are really great and the sepia tone your camera is giving is nice.
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I won't tell you to shove it. (:
I asked for criticism and you gave me it in a proper manner and didn't just bluntly tell me you hated all of my work. I did enjoy the way most of the sepia shots turned out, but now that I look at them closer I do agree that some of them are pretty blown out. I might try doing the Photoshop technique and shooting in colour.
As I mentioned though I did shoot the same shots in colour as well as in sepia so I might be able to play around with the photos some.
Thanks for your input. (:
"and no one ever said that hope would be so beautiful..."
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OneDeadHero
Location: Near Barrie, Ontario
Gender: Female
| | | Re: What do you think of sepia shots?
<Reply # 10 on 1/13/2006 5:18 PM >
| | | | Posted by mortimer
BTW, I like #2 and #5, and I would like #3 a lot more if it didn't take so long to notice the bed frame under the window.
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Thank you.
I think I might try and lighten that image some to see if I can get the bedframe to stand out a bit more. That room was relatively dark except for that window so I was surprised that the photo even turned out.
Thanks for the input (:
"and no one ever said that hope would be so beautiful..."
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OneDeadHero
Location: Near Barrie, Ontario
Gender: Female
| | | Re: What do you think of sepia shots?
<Reply # 11 on 1/13/2006 5:22 PM >
| | | | Posted by Opheliaism
Just on a personal preference level, I carry a digital that I only shoot in b&w. I see things that I think will look good in b&w and will switch from the color camera. I also never retouch any my photos. I figure that the way it looked when I shot it, is the way it is supposed to look. Like I said, that is just me.
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I think that's very neat that you carry around both cameras. I was considering using my black and white mode on my camera as well but I never really saw many pictures that I thought would look good as such. Are they point and shoot cameras or are they relatively decent cameras?
I've only a little Canon Powershot A75 point and shoot. It does what I need it to do. I was thinking of upgrading eventually but I'm pretty content with this camera now.
I agree with the retouching of photos. I don't really like retouching my photos too much. I do a little here and there, but I think it takes away from the natural state in which the photo was taken.
Thanks for your input (:
"and no one ever said that hope would be so beautiful..."
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
| | Re: What do you think of sepia shots?
<Reply # 12 on 1/13/2006 5:43 PM >
| | | | I think you could probably tone down the sepia a little by lowering the saturation a good 25%. No need to go overboard with it. Sometimes subtlety can enhance a photo more than you'd think.
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OneDeadHero
Location: Near Barrie, Ontario
Gender: Female
| | | Re: What do you think of sepia shots?
<Reply # 13 on 1/13/2006 6:11 PM >
| | | | Posted by micro
I think you could probably tone down the sepia a little by lowering the saturation a good 25%. No need to go overboard with it. Sometimes subtlety can enhance a photo more than you'd think.
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Thanks very much. (:
Like I mentioned I'll probably play around with the photos a bit more in Photoshop to see what results I can get.
Perhaps I'll post my finished results after applying the different suggestions everyone has mentioned.
"and no one ever said that hope would be so beautiful..."
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J Marcs
Location: Ohio
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: What do you think of sepia shots?
<Reply # 14 on 1/14/2006 12:44 AM >
| | | | I think sepia is like the "vertigo shot". Done right it can be very interesting and add depth to your shot... mess it up and it looks way worse than just a normal bad picture.
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n8wood
Location: Rhode Island
shiny...
| | | Re: What do you think of sepia shots?
<Reply # 15 on 1/14/2006 3:01 AM >
| | | | Posted by desmet
I find myself using "faux selenium" a lot and that it helps give digital pics more life and make the shot feel "wetter" than if I don't.
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What are you doing in post processing to get the "faux selenium" effect, I like it alot. Do you have a workflow or an action you use?
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OneDeadHero
Location: Near Barrie, Ontario
Gender: Female
| | | Re: What do you think of sepia shots?
<Reply # 16 on 1/14/2006 2:20 PM >
| | | | Posted by J Marcs
I think sepia is like the "vertigo shot". Done right it can be very interesting and add depth to your shot... mess it up and it looks way worse than just a normal bad picture.
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Which applies to my shots?
I'm trying to figure out ways to improve them. Any criticism would be much appreciated.
Thanks for the thought though. (:
"and no one ever said that hope would be so beautiful..."
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Celluloid
Location: Chicago Northside
Gender: Female
| |  | | Re: What do you think of sepia shots?
<Reply # 17 on 1/15/2006 3:32 AM >
| | | | As a hairdresser, and an artist in general, I've found that colour terms are a very personal perception. For example, one clients "bold caramel highlights" may be another's "chunky orange shiat". For me, the "sepia" you used is more "egg yolk puke".
I prefer a more subtly toned, slightly pinkish, warm brown. These shots make me think of "the Neutrasweet of sepia".
When Kodak first busted out their C41 process B/W on the consumer market, one-hour places had a lot of trouble printing them. For the first few months, I got LOTS of free "I'm so sorry, we messed these up" rolls back! Yay! The tones were never consistant between rolls and even had inconsistancies within a roll, as the computer couldn't work with it and the technician wasn't very well trained.
The early C41 B/W sepias ranged anywhere from a bluish haze all the way to plain ol' magenta toning. I had an opportunity to see everything in between and choose my favourites.
Sadly, one-hour joints have perfected their C41 B/W processing and look at you strange when you ask for sepia.
I second the suggestion to shoot in colour and do your conversions digitally. That way, you can choose your tones (or even keep it in colour) to fit your personal prefrence - assuming what you got was just what the camera handed to you - and the "mood" of the photo. You may find that some subjects seem to "pop" better with cool tones than with warm.
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OneDeadHero
Location: Near Barrie, Ontario
Gender: Female
| | | Re: What do you think of sepia shots?
<Reply # 18 on 1/16/2006 3:37 PM >
| | | | Celluloid: Thanks for the input.
As I mentioned I was just playing around with the sepia to see what I could get from it, since I found no use for it in any other photos I've taken in the past. I also took regular shots of the same shots I was taking in sepia. I figured, I'd get both considering a lot of the places we wouldn't be able to get back to.
I think sometime soon I'm getting a Photoshop of some sort so I will start doing my conversions in there.
Thanks (:
"and no one ever said that hope would be so beautiful..."
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