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UER Forum > Archived US: South > Dallas to consider non response policy (Viewed 847 times)
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Dallas to consider non response policy
< on 10/11/2005 2:39 AM >
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DPD may not be responding to burglar alarms at residential and commercial locations if some of the city leaders and council members have their way. The police have long complained that too many (over 90%) of all alarm calls they answer turn out to be dry runs. (could it be their lack luster 45min - 3hr average response time allows time for burglars to escape?) Police maintain that they are simply not able to respond to so many waste of time calls and need to use that manpower to cover other higher priority calls.

The proposal would require non police confirmation either by property owners or private security acting on their behalf to verify an intruder is actually present. Only then will they dispatch officers to that location.

Currently to operate a monitored alarm on your property in Dallas you must pay the City a license fee. And you are only allowed so many "false alarms" per year before they start charging you for showing up. Before you get the idea this could be good news for certain u.e. locations consider that many private security guards are commissioned under Texas law and carry firearms. Due to the deadly force laws in Texas its much easier for a security guard to drop the hammer on a burglar than it is for a police officer. Dallas Police policy is they will not shoot at persons for property crimes even fleeing felons unless they are armed and there is eminent danger posed to themselves or a citizen.

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Re: Dallas to consider non response policy
<Reply # 1 on 10/13/2005 5:32 PM >
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Here's the stupid part of this that NO ONE is talking about, surely not our media and for Damn sure not our city ...

Dallas admits they will lose at least $1.5 million under a no-response
policy. Currently alarm users pay an additional $3.8 million through permit
fees and fines each year, which more than covers police alarm response. With
no response Dallas cannot charge permit fees. "This is an unsafe idea with
very little efficiency for the police department and there is a net revenue
loss to the city," concluded Russell.


okay so now were going to lose probably a couple million which translates into the loss of numerous officers who while they may be going to bad calls SOME of the time, surely it's not ALL of the time! Another stupid move on the part of the city of dallas, take something thats self supporting and trash it. I guarantee there thinking there gonna keep collecting the fees and just get a windfall but by law they cant! well, they cant unless no one calls em on it anyway!


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Re: Dallas to consider non response policy
<Reply # 2 on 10/13/2005 5:47 PM >
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For the record, I would ALWAYS rather deal with a cop than a security guard in a bad situation. The police are trained and equipped for it, and the city almost certainly has a policy about shooting unarmed people in the back. While a security guard might get into trouble after he shot you, it won't mean much to you if you are dead or paralyzed.

Furthermore, if Dallas PD response time has been 45 minutes +, UE should have been a breeze. You can do a bunch in 45 minutes!

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Re: Dallas to consider non response policy
<Reply # 3 on 10/13/2005 6:41 PM >
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good point I think there will be a lot of outrage if homeowners have to pay the city a license fee AND the city doesnt have to respond! not sure what genius figured that one out

this could have another effect too it could really boost security company business, so how hard is the "alarm association lobby" really fighting this?? arent most alarms sold /installed by the company that monitors AND responds I know there are those that arent but as an industry dont they stand to realize some more growth and profit from this? good time to invest in private security.

I guess I threw this out for the u.e. aspect as it applies to commercial buildings too and since quite a few "abandonments" are still alarmed you may be dealing with a rentacop instead of a real cop. personally if I were to pay for an alarm service on my own properties I would prefer to have the private security company monitor and respond.





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Re: Dallas to consider non response policy
<Reply # 4 on 10/13/2005 6:52 PM >
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I use ADT and they sent me a letter with their take.
FACT: 10% of alarm users are responsible for 60% of false alarms
FACT: Over 50% of alarm users NEVER have a false alarm

These and the other information lead me to two conclusions.
1) Why should I pay $50 a year for the police not to come if my alarm sounds and
2) We oughta start UE Home Security. That way we could get paid while exploring and not have to worry about run ins with the cops or security.
Of course there is that old "Getting shot responding to a burglary..." thing.

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Re: Dallas to consider non response policy
<Reply # 5 on 10/13/2005 7:13 PM >
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Posted by Barry Kooda
I use ADT and they sent me a letter with their take.
FACT: 10% of alarm users are responsible for 60% of false alarms
FACT: Over 50% of alarm users NEVER have a false alarm

These and the other information lead me to two conclusions.
1) Why should I pay $50 a year for the police not to come if my alarm sounds and
2) We oughta start UE Home Security. That way we could get paid while exploring and not have to worry about run ins with the cops or security.
Of course there is that old "Getting shot responding to a burglary..." thing.


Cool, wow, could I have a Mr Yuk badge man? (we already got enough guns to equip a small army)

No worries, just look at your own data arent you really only at risk of being "shot while responding" to a REAL burglary not the false ones the kitty cat sets off? I like them odds! what that means almost all of the calls we would answer are pure gravy, and we could always dispatch anything we think might be real or dangerous to some f.y.g.s like NV or CN ;)



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Re: Dallas to consider non response policy
<Reply # 6 on 10/13/2005 11:15 PM >
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Heh!

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Re: Dallas to consider non response policy
<Reply # 7 on 10/14/2005 1:26 AM >
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Posted by 2Xtreme

...f.y.g.s like NV or CN ;)




WTF is a f.y.g.s. ?

/Yay for abbreviations!

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Re: Dallas to consider non response policy
<Reply # 8 on 10/14/2005 1:50 AM >
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Posted by Noah Vale


WTF is a f.y.g.s. ?

/Yay for abbreviations!


fuckin young guys! as opposed to us f.o.g.s



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Re: Dallas to consider non response policy
<Reply # 9 on 10/14/2005 3:31 AM >
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W.T.F.M.F.?
D.Y.K.W.F.Y.G.I.?
J.C.
F.K.D.M.C.!
[last edit 10/14/2005 3:31 AM by Barry Kooda - edited 1 times]

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Re: Dallas to consider non response policy
<Reply # 10 on 10/14/2005 4:51 AM >
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feels good to have someone call me a F.Y.G.

i feel like a F.O.G.


i've been the H.N.I.C. for too long and it's wearing me out.

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Re: Dallas to consider non response policy
<Reply # 11 on 10/14/2005 6:18 AM >
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Posted by coffinnail
feels good to have someone call me a F.Y.G.

i feel like a F.O.G.


i've been the H.N.I.C. for too long and it's wearing me out.


I'm confused.
Homo Neurotic Impotent Clown?

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Re: Dallas to consider non response policy
<Reply # 12 on 10/14/2005 12:57 PM >
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guys its the mileage not so much the years

and my odometer has rolled over a couple times already

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Re: Dallas to consider non response policy
<Reply # 13 on 12/15/2005 1:11 PM >
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a clarification was broadcast as of last night

Dallas PD will continue to respond on residential burglar alarms even if unconfirmed

In 2006 they reportedly WILL NOT respond on any commercial or business burglar alarms without confirmation by someone on the scene

wonder if includes banks?

source: Channel 5 TV news

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Re: Dallas to consider non response policy
<Reply # 14 on 12/15/2005 3:03 PM >
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Great day for crooks. Retailers throughout Dallas are gonna get hit hard on this. The alarm at my office goes off 2 or 3 times a month. Wait til the criminals find out DPD won't be responding....

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Re: Dallas to consider non response policy
<Reply # 15 on 3/1/2006 12:16 PM >
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Starting today DPD wont respond to unverified burglar alarms on COMMERCIAL properties with NEW permits but will continue to roll on current permits until those expire.

They will still respond to residential alarms and panic alarms. Just heard this clarified and its somewhat different than the network news version Ive heard before.

In other words the police aint comin until the alarm company or property owner/security verifies there is an actual break-in or intruder.

Not that this matters to any explorers but since many so called "abandonments" have been found to be alarmed I just thought Id share.

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Re: Dallas to consider non response policy
<Reply # 16 on 3/2/2006 2:18 AM >
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whoo hoo! now, to bide time and wait for some security permits to expire....

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Re: Dallas to consider non response policy
<Reply # 17 on 3/2/2006 3:46 AM >
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Down the road, in Fremont, Ca, the night that the City Council announced that the PD would no longer respond to alarms unless the owner called them, a gun store was broken into and completely cleaned out. Good job Fremont PD. I hate it when policies like those are instituted, makes it so easy for criminals to get their hands on shit. Oh well.

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