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 seicer
     
Location: New York
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< on 9/13/2005 2:10 AM >
|  | | | What do you think ranks as the next big abandonment? Here is my list --
1. VA Hospitals. You have less and less veterans as those from World War II and the Korean War are fast dying. Those in Vietnam will soon fall. Today's wars are fought more with technology than manpower. Expect VA Hospitals to downsize in the future. These buildings are huge; the one in Huntington WVA is quite massive and tall; the one in Lexington KY is like a kirkbide I think.
2. Farmhouses. As farms become more commercialized and centralized, say goodbye to the everyday Joe who works on the farm in the midwestern states. It is not as much of an issue in the east thankfully.
3. New Orleans. Sadly, this is on my list. While I would not be up to exploring this city, many buildings will not be torn down for a long time. What isn't demolished immediately will be abandoned since the floodwaters would make it all but inhabitable.
Your thoughts?
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Samurai
 
Vehicular Lord Rick
Location: northeastern New York
No matter where you go, there you are...
| | Re: The Next Abandonments
<Reply # 1 on 9/16/2005 6:56 AM >
| | | | I think you're leaving out alot of factories and warehouses. Industry is going overseas at an alarming rate leaving all this industrial blight behind.
Just a thought
Samurai
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rostit
Location: South Eastern PA
Gender: Male
Imma herpin ma derp like YEAHH!!
| | Re: The Next Abandonments
<Reply # 2 on 9/16/2005 8:04 AM >
| | | | Local Airports and there support structures could be on there as well. I think that if you look at th trend in local economies its almost a map to what is going to be empty next year. i live in a pretty rural area and aside form the occasional old farmhouse there really isnt much abandoned,yet. I throw in yet because the downtown areas of the smalltowns have some factories tat are on the edge of closing down for the lack of work for them. About 30mi away there are some old lukens steel factories that I will be checking once I finish mapping the site. The police in the area are vigilant for squatters and crackheads trying to steal metal from the site so Its tricky in parts. But if you talk to them and they know what your doing you can usually get off without any issues.
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Axle
Location: Milton, ON
Gender: Male
Sieg oder Tod
| | Re: The Next Abandonments
<Reply # 3 on 9/16/2005 12:14 PM >
| | | | Posted by seicer
2. Farmhouses. As farms become more commercialized and centralized, say goodbye to the everyday Joe who works on the farm in the midwestern states. It is not as much of an issue in the east thankfully.
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Yes farms, for sure. I've explored two already, and there are about three more on my group's target list. And this is all in the Milton area, which still has a lot of farms.
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el nerdo
  
Chief UER Lackey
Gender: Male
What are you, from the Department of Know'm Sayin's? You takin' a Know'm census?
| | | Re: The Next Abandonments
<Reply # 4 on 9/16/2005 1:27 PM >
| | | | Posted by seicer
1. VA Hospitals. You have less and less veterans as those from World War II and the Korean War are fast dying. Those in Vietnam will soon fall. Today's wars are fought more with technology than manpower. Expect VA Hospitals to downsize in the future. These buildings are huge; the one in Huntington WVA is quite massive and tall; the one in Lexington KY is like a kirkbide I think.
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Thoughts? Sure.
Don't expect the VA hospitals to get any smaller anytime soon... if you're a vet, regardless of whether you served in a conflict, you're eligible for free healthcare at a VA hospital.
And let's not forget about the boatloads of kids home from Iraq that are already messed up.
While you hear almost nothing in the news about this, there are 18,19,20 year old guys coming home from Baghdad that are seriously fucked up. My mother-in-law is a senior admin (or case worker or something, she's got a master's in social work) at a large VA hospital in Westchester, and she's got stories already... like an 18 year old guy who was stationed in the Sunni Triangle. He just sits in a corner and stares all day long. Every now and then he'll emit a blood curdling scream. Any attempts to "break through" so far have failed.
(Sorry about the tangent.)
Regardless, I don't think you'll see VA's close up shop any time in the next 20 or 30 years. In fact, I know of at least 6 new hospitals being built as we speak.
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el nerdo
Chief UER Lackey
Gender: Male
What are you, from the Department of Know'm Sayin's? You takin' a Know'm census?
| | | Re: The Next Abandonments
<Reply # 5 on 9/16/2005 1:28 PM >
| | | | Posted by seicer
3. New Orleans. Sadly, this is on my list. While I would not be up to exploring this city, many buildings will not be torn down for a long time. What isn't demolished immediately will be abandoned since the floodwaters would make it all but inhabitable.
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I forgot about NOLA. Before yesterday, I would have agreed on this one. But now that the Shrub has pledged 200 billion (!!!) to rebuild down there, I have a feeling things are going to move pretty fast down there.
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seicer
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: The Next Abandonments
<Reply # 6 on 9/16/2005 2:24 PM >
| | | | Posted by el nerdo
Don't expect the VA hospitals to get any smaller anytime soon... if you're a vet, regardless of whether you served in a conflict, you're eligible for free healthcare at a VA hospital.
And let's not forget about the boatloads of kids home from Iraq that are already messed up.
While you hear almost nothing in the news about this, there are 18,19,20 year old guys coming home from Baghdad that are seriously fucked up. My mother-in-law is a senior admin (or case worker or something, she's got a master's in social work) at a large VA hospital in Westchester, and she's got stories already... like an 18 year old guy who was stationed in the Sunni Triangle. He just sits in a corner and stares all day long. Every now and then he'll emit a blood curdling scream. Any attempts to "break through" so far have failed.
(Sorry about the tangent.)
Regardless, I don't think you'll see VA's close up shop any time in the next 20 or 30 years. In fact, I know of at least 6 new hospitals being built as we speak.
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Well, from what I was stating, you have far less veterans than you did... say, 40 years ago. I would almost assume that some VA Hospitals would close and relocate and become smaller or close completely. We have two in my city (Lexington KY), and the really old one was to be closed and combined with the one on my campus, but there would have been little use of the structure.
But yeah, as far as the stories about the veterans coming back and having all sorts of mental issues. I'd believe it. It happens unfortunately, as it did with Vietnam and WWII. Do these people stay in the VA Hospitals the rest of their lives or do they get transferred to mental institutions?
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seicer
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: The Next Abandonments
<Reply # 7 on 9/16/2005 2:26 PM >
| | | | Posted by el nerdo
I forgot about NOLA. Before yesterday, I would have agreed on this one. But now that the Shrub has pledged 200 billion (!!!) to rebuild down there, I have a feeling things are going to move pretty fast down there.
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I am having to reverse my opinion on it too. Not that I would *explore* it and breathe in all those toxic molds and whatnot, but it would have been a UE paradise if you don't mind getting sick. Now that we are providing a huge disaster relief bill to the tune of $200 billion, you can expect these toxic sites to be demolished fairly quickly.
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el nerdo
Chief UER Lackey
Gender: Male
What are you, from the Department of Know'm Sayin's? You takin' a Know'm census?
| | | Re: The Next Abandonments
<Reply # 8 on 9/16/2005 8:42 PM >
| | | | Posted by seicer
But yeah, as far as the stories about the veterans coming back and having all sorts of mental issues. I'd believe it. It happens unfortunately, as it did with Vietnam and WWII. Do these people stay in the VA Hospitals the rest of their lives or do they get transferred to mental institutions?
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Most bigger VA Hospitals have their own long term mental wings.
They went that route because it's cheaper for the feds to pay for the care in the VA hospital than to ship them to one that's not under the wing of the VA.
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mittens
Gender: Male
| | Re: The Next Abandonments
<Reply # 9 on 9/16/2005 10:03 PM >
| | | | Any industrial building built with asbestos. They are extremely expensive to clean up or remodel so I think many of them will sit idle.
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Rust
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| | Re: The Next Abandonments
<Reply # 10 on 9/16/2005 10:20 PM >
| | | | Posted by el nerdo
I forgot about NOLA. Before yesterday, I would have agreed on this one. But now that the Shrub has pledged 200 billion (!!!) to rebuild down there, I have a feeling things are going to move pretty fast down there.
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Indeed. He has to try and detract from the absolutely pathetic disaster response somehow.
By the way, I -finally- found a charger for the radio. >_<
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Ronin House
Gender: Male
| | Re: The Next Abandonments
<Reply # 11 on 9/17/2005 1:32 AM >
| | | | Recently in the news, there was big talk about the military bases to close this year. I know that there are already many abandoned military sites, but I believe that we are gonna see a boom in abandonment of this type in coming years.
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darbycrashin
Noble Donor
Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Gender: Female
| | Re: The Next Abandonments
<Reply # 12 on 9/17/2005 2:30 AM >
| | | | i think in about 15-20 years Churches will be a big hit.
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Axle
Location: Milton, ON
Gender: Male
Sieg oder Tod
| | Re: The Next Abandonments
<Reply # 13 on 9/17/2005 5:43 AM >
| | | | Posted by sonikgirl
i think in about 15-20 years Churches will be a big hit.
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As a church goer/Christian myself, I hope not. But looking at the way trends are going, it may happen.
Celer at Audax
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earthworm
Location: General Area
Gender: Male
| | Re: The Next Abandonments
<Reply # 14 on 9/17/2005 6:42 AM >
| | | | Any one else looking forward to the military base closure list?
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Samurai
Vehicular Lord Rick
Location: northeastern New York
No matter where you go, there you are...
| | Re: The Next Abandonments
<Reply # 15 on 9/17/2005 6:49 AM >
| | | | Posted by Ronin House
Recently in the news, there was big talk about the military bases to close this year. I know that there are already many abandoned military sites, but I believe that we are gonna see a boom in abandonment of this type in coming years.
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Here's the problem with exploring closed bases. Most of them have transition plans, most going to the municipalities they are near. In the case of Plattsburgh AFB, a committee named PARC (Plattsburgh Airbase Redevelopment Committee) had already been formed 6 months before the closure date. Security wasn't as tight as when the military was there, but still it was a bitch to sneak around there even with a camera. As I stated in previous threads, a bunch of people were using the runways as an impromptu dragstrip... now it's going to be Plattsburgh International Airport, a sister to Montreal's international airport, and Burlington VT internationl... yay.
So even though they are closed, they are far from abandoned.
Samurai
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HauntedPA
Location: Anywhere and Everywhere
Gender: Female
What do you mean the rum is gone?!
| | Re: The Next Abandonments
<Reply # 16 on 9/17/2005 9:13 AM >
| | | | With so many state hospitals still open I think that we're not gonna run out of them for a while now. I know of several which are being decomissioned in the next year. So I think as long urban sprawl doesn't spread too fast we should be ok with those.
VA hosptials are a definite posibility though as stated in the beginning of this this thread. There's quite a few of thein the PA/NJ area that are on the their way out. Should be interesting to say the least to see what becomes of them.
Hospitals will always be around. Mainly general ones and county hospitals as healthcare providers keep switching around and going bankrupt. Schools buildings will also be a major thing in the future. I've found 6 in the past alone that have been recently abandoned due to redevelopment and the like right around my house in Jersey.
So what's the next big thing? Hard to say, but will we run out of places? Sure....the big "special places" such as Danvers, Byberry, Northampton, ect....sure they'll be gone, but other places will replace them. Hotels, general hosptials, schools, ect...should be the next big thing.
That's my 2cents on the matter
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Samurai
Vehicular Lord Rick
Location: northeastern New York
No matter where you go, there you are...
| | Re: The Next Abandonments
<Reply # 17 on 9/17/2005 2:47 PM >
| | | | Posted by HauntedPA
With so many state hospitals still open I think that we're not gonna run out of them for a while now. I know of several which are being decomissioned in the next year. So I think as long urban sprawl doesn't spread too fast we should be ok with those.
VA hosptials are a definite posibility though as stated in the beginning of this this thread. There's quite a few of thein the PA/NJ area that are on the their way out. Should be interesting to say the least to see what becomes of them.
Hospitals will always be around. Mainly general ones and county hospitals as healthcare providers keep switching around and going bankrupt. Schools buildings will also be a major thing in the future. I've found 6 in the past alone that have been recently abandoned due to redevelopment and the like right around my house in Jersey.
So what's the next big thing? Hard to say, but will we run out of places? Sure....the big "special places" such as Danvers, Byberry, Northampton, ect....sure they'll be gone, but other places will replace them. Hotels, general hosptials, schools, ect...should be the next big thing.
That's my 2cents on the matter
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Up in Tupper Lake, NY, there was Sunmount Development Center. This was a smaller state hospital (i stress NOT an asylum) for mentally handicapped (mentally retarded to the un-PC). The closure of that facility has bounced around for over 15 years. Last year it was going to close, but at the last minute, New York State changed its mind and turned it into a facility for mentally handicapped folks that, according to my mom, "do bad things..." Diplomatic way to put things, I guess. So now, it's more a jail than hospital.
A couple of months ago, Adirondack Life had a huge article about it and all the scandals that the place has weathered. In my opinion, the place should've been closed years ago, but it employs over 500 people and in an area so devoid of jobs and economically depressed (most people in that area have to aspire TO poverty), it had a stay of execution.
That leads me to my point that I don't think that we will see the wholesale closure of the facilities like everyone did in the 70's and 80's. This is the age of recycling, redevelopment and speculation. Most facilities like this can be turned around and re-used. Although there are oddities and exceptions to the rule, of course.
Samurai
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