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Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
 |  | Re: How do you climb a rope?
<Reply # 20 on 8/24/2005 12:03 PM >
|  | | | Like most have said what kind of rope makes a big difference. However even the weakest can climb a rope if they want to. All you have to do wrap the rope around your leg properly. You can hang there hands free if you do it right, and depending on the thickness.
If you wrap it between your two legs, around one leg, and over your foot you should have it. The other foot is placed on top of the rope over your foot thus forcing it put. It takes some leg strength and practice. We had a 3 story climb on a rope about the size of a wide belt's width. Part of the confidence course. Since then I have gone up boat rope, synthetic, climbing much the same way.
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Pravus
Location: Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
| |  |  | Re: How do you climb a rope?
<Reply # 21 on 9/3/2005 4:42 AM >
| | | | If you climb a rope with just your arms your a moron (at least in my experience thats what I think, No offence to anyone that does, whatever works for ya..) you would be wasting ALOT of energy and tiring yourself out, I don't care how strong you are or say you are. The best way without gear is (at least the way I do it) the rope will come down the outside of your right leg, then it will loop around under your right foot and back over it, then step on the rope with your left foot.. that should lock the rope in place between the top of your right boot and under your left, it also lets you stop midway if you need to check something out halfway up.. it also lets you rest if it's a high climb. I would highly recommend using one ascender along with this for safety.. the problem with having 2 ascenders (harness and feet, the way they are kinda ment to be) is you need something to weigh down the bottom of the rope. However you can have multiple people ascend up the rope at the same time by having everyone using two ascenders except the bottom man who just uses his feet to lock the rope..
ALSO the problem with tying knots in the rope (which is a good idea in all reality) is you will NOT be able to use a descender such as a figure 8, which will force you to do some retarded fast rope (which would seem difficult with the knots)
the major problem with locking the rope off with your feet is it takes a lot of practice to get the rope in the right place when you are hanging there, and if you take too long you just run the risk of you hands giving out if your not rigged into it.. All in all though it's WELL worth it to know how to do
btw I would recommend something like 11mm static line, anything much smaller will be to small to climb and anything bigger won't really work to well with climbing/rappeling gear
[last edit 9/3/2005 6:42 PM by Pravus - edited 2 times]
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Shinken
Location: Chicago Area
Gender: Male
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| | Re: How do you climb a rope?
<Reply # 22 on 9/5/2005 5:49 AM >
| | | | Me and Pravus are going to post some picks of how to lock the rope with your legs sometime this week. When you get the hang of it, anyone can do it. We are working on makeing the pics as simple to follow as possible, so that someone who is clueless about climbing can figure it out.
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Pravus
Location: Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
| | | | Re: How do you climb a rope?
<Reply # 23 on 9/6/2005 1:18 AM >
| | | | As promised shinken and I have made a small easy to follow rope climbing 101 with pictures, since explaining this with only words is extremely hard to get what we are trying to say across, from what I can tell the way I explained and the way Mark explained sounds like we were says the same basic way
this can be done without anything other then rope but we will show various ways with different gear..
I have set this up so anyone without any experience with climbing equipment or climbing in general can follow
Step one:
the rope is on the outside of your right foot
Step two:
you sweep the rope up with your left foot keeping the rope under your right foot
Step three:
From there you bring your left foot ontop of your right foot
Step four:
From here you pretty much step on your right foot and then stand to get a higher hold on the rope (ascenders will be explained further down)
This take a little bit of practice to get right, but is well worth the time..
With the footing down right we move to the ascender:
Step one:
you put the ascender on the rope then clip the biner to it, with the other end of the quick draw on your harness (shown is a petzl tibloc, they work very well and only cost around $25)
Step two:
from there you can pretty much push up on the biner to raise it then when there is a load on the biner it locks the rope into the ascender
Now.. you can use one of these Tibloc ascenders without a harness, although we would HIGHLY recommend a harness for safety and ease, we just wanted to show you options if your in a pinch
rigging the ascender works just the same except in place of your harness you will use a loop of webbing girth hitched around biner and put it around your wrist (make sure that the loop of webbing is not too long)
From there you will freehang from your wrist in place of a harness (keep in mind now you only have one have free to do anything)
Now that you are at the top of this climb and you want to get down I'll go into rigging a Figure8 and using descenders
The Figure 8 is the MOST basic and in my opinion the best descender to use..
Step one:
You will pull the rope through the larger hole in the fig8
Step two:
pull the loop around the bottom of the Fig8
This next pic will show it properly rigged in and also show how to stop, stopping requires you to bring the rope to the small of your back, that should stop you from going anywhere.. To stop yourself and you need hands free you can also lock you feet off and press your feet downward slightly, OR on an EMS Figure 8 you can use the 'ears' to lock the rope off completely, leaving all limbs free to do whatever..
Now if you want something a little more automated you can use a double stop descender (which can also be used without a harness if done right)
You will have to rig the ascender into position and attach a biner to it with the webbing loop around your wrist just as with the ascender
From there (and this is extremely IMPORTANT) you will need to take either shoelace or paracord and attach it to the handle then thread it through the biner
from there you will pull down on the paracord with your free hand to descend
The reason the paracord is important is you need your body weight to be pulling down on the descender to keep it at the right angle and it is extremely hard to get to the handle other then the paracord loop (this was tested without the paracord and freehanging on a rope without being able to go down was kind of a problem, so just trust us here and use the paracord)
Now below is just a clear picture of some of the gear we use:
If anyone wants to know anything else, Just send me or Shinken a PM
[last edit 9/6/2005 1:20 AM by Pravus - edited 2 times]
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Shinken
Location: Chicago Area
Gender: Male
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| | Re: How do you climb a rope?
<Reply # 24 on 9/6/2005 1:23 AM >
| | | | THATS ME!!!! LOOK MA!!!! I'M ON THE INTERNET!!!! WOOOOOO WHOOOOOO!!!!
ps. The harnessless way is fast and handy, but not the safest way. Also, the quickdraw webbing we use for our wrist can sometimes hurt a little on long climbs. As Pravus said, and I will repeat, use a harness. The only reason I made the harnessless way is to decrease gear, but then again, if you wear the harness while UEing, it isn't added gear to your pack.
[last edit 9/6/2005 1:30 AM by Shinken - edited 1 times]
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Pravus
Location: Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
| | | | Re: How do you climb a rope?
<Reply # 25 on 9/6/2005 10:47 PM >
| | | | Just an after thought, make sure you know how to tie at least a figure8 knot and a double figure8 knot, that is the most used knot in climbing as far as I know.. also if you REALLY trust your skills in tying and you trust the knot the Highwaymans hitch can be extremely useful for getting the rope down from where ever it is tied.. but just a general idea ALWAYS question you knots and gear, check them over a few times.. don't blindly trust that everything is the way it should be, something as simple as not doubling back you harness buckle can end you day very suddenly and painfully.. Just keep that in mind
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: How do you climb a rope?
<Reply # 26 on 9/6/2005 11:35 PM >
| | | | You can also use a riggers belt or a swiss seat. When I teach people ropes I go out and make them wear a swiss seat on the first exercise so they appreciate the strength of the rop and the need to know your knots are safe. They tie everything and I inspect it.
Also rule of thumb if you tie the double/triple figure 8 you go down it. Its really easy to fuck up knots and you need to check and test them all. A novice can tie a knot that looks and feels secure untill you put tension on it.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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Pravus
Location: Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
| | | | Re: How do you climb a rope?
<Reply # 27 on 9/7/2005 4:08 AM >
| | | | Just wondering, How exactly do you tie a swiss seat? I've heard they are ungodly uncomphy and I have a harness.. But it's always nice to have a backup plan, You know any good sites that show a 'how to' with the swiss seat thats pretty clear/easy to follow?
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: How do you climb a rope?
<Reply # 28 on 9/7/2005 9:34 PM >
| | | | The following seats really need to be researched. I am being a lazy bastard and not giving away all the goodies for free. Because I am about to head off to do some repeling this weekend I think.
There are three standard swiss seats in my inventory. Two are easy to find online.
ranger wrap - If you download any ranger handbook you can get a detailed version of it. Personally I have only used the range one once. Its difficult takes up to much rope and if you dont have a huge beaner your going to cut yourself in two. Long freaking story.
Standard - The next one isnt as hard to tie, but if you dont do a knot right your screwed. essentially this one is nothing more then a waist rope with two goin through your crotch area. Effective and if you do anything with repeling, climbing its probably the first harness ever taught to you. If you want a detailed description most knot books have it. When I come back monday I'll have that info more available.
The last is a special forces swiss seat. Its fast dangerous as hell, and if you havent repelled before your probably going to fall right out. All you need is a loop of rope and a carabineer. Put the loop behind you. Pull that loop around your waist so the rope comes together around your waist. Once you have connected each side with the beaner, you should have a loop around your waist, and one from your carabineer down around the back of your legs. Now grab the rope down between your legs and bring it through, attaching it to the beaner. You now should have a loop around each leg and around your waist. Thats it. Its easy, its simple, and if you dont know what your doing or guess the rope length wrong your ass is falling.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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Pravus
Location: Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
| | | | Re: How do you climb a rope?
<Reply # 29 on 9/7/2005 10:49 PM >
| | | | Very cool, Thanks 
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Finn
 
Location: Plano, TX
Gender: Male
| | Re: How do you climb a rope?
<Reply # 30 on 9/8/2005 1:48 AM >
| | | | Posted by Stoke
Can someone explain to me how to climb up and down a rope? Does it require lots of physical strength?
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Um, very carefully.
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