 |
|
|
UER Store
|
|
sweet UER decals:
|
|
|
|
Activity
|
|
711 online
Server Time:
2024-05-07 14:44:46
|
|
|
 Shokan
Location: Brantford, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
From Brantford? Msg me ICQ - 87253370
 |  |  | "Bitching"
< on 1/22/2003 10:56 PM >
|  | | | I've noticed a trend here, and I guess its more of a human trait than anything. I tend to think everyone who has an opinion here thinks theirs is the end all be all of UE. Am I alone here, or does anyone not really give a damn about who is "right" in the way of doing things? There is no one way of dressing, no one way of acting, etc. I don't think people understand this.
I'm not naming any names, but I'm sure the ones who respond in this thread are most likely the ones I'm talking about.
Bottom line. Get over it. You do things your way, I'll do it mine. Bashing each other for valid ideas is not the way. If this UE group is supposed to be a community, start acting like it.
Get over yourselves, and your egos. And the forum might be a happier place. I for one, would love to see more posts about mission accounts, tips on possible UE's, and helpful hints.
Quit bitching about the media for christs sake. How many threads are there on that? 3-4? Ridiculous.
Ok, my rant is done. Enjoy yourselves.
[last edit 1/22/2003 5:59 PM by Shokan - edited 0 times]
|
|
fonejack
  
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re:
<Reply # 1 on 1/22/2003 10:59 PM >
| | | | You have a point.
----------
[email protected] |
|
Scarab
Location: Vancouver, BC
Gender: Male
The Ninja Suited "Weirdo"
| |  |  | Re:
<Reply # 2 on 1/22/2003 11:03 PM >
| | | | Everyone does have an opinion. And everyone likes to be heard. Because of this there is going to be a certain amount of arguments. Its the personal flaming that gets in the way of valid argument points being heard. The key word is "civil" and needs to be or this is going to be a Flame Board and not a Forum.
"The whisper in the wind is us ... ... the swearing in the bushes as we fall is not admitted to...." |
|
Capone
Location: London, Ontario
Gender: Male
UEL
| | | Re:
<Reply # 3 on 1/22/2003 11:13 PM >
| | | | Shokan: Agreed.
People really seem to be just looking for an excuse to argue sometimes....
So there I was, in this creepy old hallway... |
|
Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re:
<Reply # 4 on 1/22/2003 11:14 PM >
| | | | First, I'd like to thank the academy, and all the little people who have made this moment possible *tears in eyes*
Shokan, thanks for saying what i'd already said...
Posted by Jester
First off.There is no style of dress and gear that is appropriate for every type of exploration.
But, when I do missions that don't require the highest level of stealth, then I don't wear the camo. If it's not needed, then I don't wear it.
|
Fact : different gear is best for different situations.
whether you choose to use what is best in any situation is personal preference. I sure as hell won't be wearing my ninja boots when draining, but i'm also not gonnna wear hipwaders to climb up a building...
[last edit 1/22/2003 6:17 PM by Jester - edited 0 times]
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
|
Shokan
Location: Brantford, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
From Brantford? Msg me ICQ - 87253370
| | | Re:
<Reply # 5 on 1/22/2003 11:29 PM >
| | | | This might not come out the way I want it to, but what the hell.
Just don't be in places where people look, which is basically what UE is. I've been doing this for quite awhile now, with a 2 year hiatus until recently. I never wore anything special, besides steel-toed boots and work gloves. Never once been seen, caught, etc.
If you don't put yourself in a situation where its likely you'll get caught, you won't. Give a week or two for recon, and I bet anyone can get in anywhere they want to without getting caught.
But I suppose it is personal preference. I've never had a need for wearing anything special, but I can understand if people are paranoid about being caught.
I don't know, maybe I'm foolish. Or maybe I just like to challenge myself.
[last edit 1/22/2003 6:29 PM by Shokan - edited 0 times]
|
|
Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re:
<Reply # 6 on 1/22/2003 11:43 PM >
| | | | The main place that we have been, that caused the choice of camo for us, is Riverview. The security there is incredibly active, and very well prepared, since most of the grounds are still in operation. When they direct their searchlights in your direction, you have to blend in, or you are spotted. The first mission we went there, we found out how visible you are in normal types of clothing. When we go to a target like that, we go there prepared for the security presence.
They have specialized things to spot us ( several powerful searchlights on each truck ), it's just common sense for us to take measures to counter their advantage.
but on missions that aren't like that, it's more casual clothing, whatever is appropriate for the given situation.
but every individual is free to wear what they want when they want. Hell, wear fluorescent green biking shorts and paint a glow in the dark target on your chest if you want...
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
|
asdafaf
Location: oe'r yonder
I have always been here before.
| | | Re:
<Reply # 7 on 1/23/2003 12:22 AM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
but every individual is free to wear what they want when they want. Hell, wear fluorescent green biking shorts and paint a glow in the dark target on your chest if you want...
|
Action Squad's super infiltration camouflage:
We were trying to get into an abandoned industrial site in deep-woods northern Minnesota ... during the opening weekend of hunting season. The woods were SWARMING with hunters. We opted for safety and bought cheap bright orange gear ....
I'm looking for software engineers to hire at Amazon. |
|
cerebral
Location: Twin Cities, MN
| | Re:
<Reply # 8 on 1/23/2003 2:32 AM >
| | | | yup. while others in my group wore orange safety vests, I wore a bright yellow cap a reflective stripe that said Iowa Department of Transportation on it while going down into a manhole. ...so the hat was off by one state...
Drains, tunnels, bridges and caves mostly.
This ain't the land of the free. This ain't the home of the brave. -accidentally misquoted MDC...leaving it this way on purpose |
|
Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re:
<Reply # 9 on 1/23/2003 2:41 AM >
| | | | the best bet is to wear what is best suited to your surroundings and mission.
hiding in bushes ? camo
opening a manhole ? get whatever the city workers in your city wear
infiltrating a place in operation ? proper street clothes
trying not to get shot by drunken deer hunters ? the orange hats and vests...
[last edit 1/22/2003 9:41 PM by Jester - edited 0 times]
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
|
asdafaf
Location: oe'r yonder
I have always been here before.
| | | Re:
<Reply # 10 on 1/23/2003 3:50 PM >
| | | | Actually, I suppose we still were wearing camo, of a sort, that day ... many members of Action Squad are of the punk rock persuasion: I insisted that people wear blue jeans, flannel shirts, etc so as not to stand out like sore thumbs in rural Minnesota.
I still laugh remembering the time we were trying to find some caves and tunnels in conservative Redwing, MN, with one guy sporting a huge spiked-up mohawk, and another sporting a mid-sized but bright pink mohawk. That was WAY inconspicuous, lemme tell ya.
I'm looking for software engineers to hire at Amazon. |
|
The Lieutenant
Location: Tampa, Florida
| | Re:
<Reply # 11 on 1/24/2003 12:38 AM >
| | | | OOOOh! Flourescent Green Biking Shorts!
I wonder if they make 'em in Size 65 Extra Fat.
I'm sure I'll be spotted, but the spotters just might think they were hallucinating and I wouldn't actually be "caught". You know, conversation would go something like this:
"Hey, WTF is that Harry?"
"WTF is What?"
"That...er...the guy in the...you know, the fat guy...wearing..aw geez Harry you don't see that?"
"I don't see nothin and neither do you. That's just plain wrong."
"Well, maybe he's an escaped mental patient or something..."
"An escaped mental patient wearing day-glow lime green biking shorts? No, it's gotta be a hallucination, or some kinda freak of nature...either way, I ain't admitting nothin'"
"But you just said..."
"Shaddup. Drink yer coffee."
And so I stroll on my merry way, confident that my security is safe because normal people automatically try to ignore that which they do not understand.
At least, that's the theory.
The LT
This is my tagline. There are many like it but this one is mine. |
|
uem-Mokonax
Location: Montréal, Canada
| | | Re:
<Reply # 12 on 1/24/2003 2:55 AM >
| | | | In addition to "General" and "Urban Exploration", I think we need an "Argue about Camo" forum.
"Dark blue is the geek's black." - Tux, OPE 95
Urban Exploration Montreal |
|
MothMan
Noble Donor
Location: The Gem City
Gender: Male
If you didn't bring back any pictures with you then you obviously weren't there!
| | Re:
<Reply # 13 on 10/28/2003 2:31 AM >
|  | | | Posted by Shokan
I've noticed a trend here, and I guess its more of a human trait than anything. I tend to think everyone who has an opinion here thinks theirs is the end all be all of UE. |
Human nature, there.
| Am I alone here, or does anyone not really give a damn about who is "right" in the way of doing things? |
Nope, you ain't alone. I don't really give a flip about who is "right," because "right" is in the eye of the beholder, and no one defines "right" for me. I tow my own line.
| There is no one way of dressing, no one way of acting, etc. I don't think people understand this. |
You're right, there is no one correct way to do these things. However, I DO think people understand this.
| I'm not naming any names, but I'm sure the ones who respond in this thread are most likely the ones I'm talking about. |
Mebbe. After all, I'm responding, and I sure as hell KNOW I'm not one of the ones you're talking about, because I've got better things to do than convince you I'm right, or that you're wrong, based solely on my views and experiences...
| Bottom line. Get over it. You do things your way, I'll do it mine. Bashing each other for valid ideas is not the way. If this UE group is supposed to be a community, start acting like it. |
I'm very, very cool with you doing things your own way. Believe me. And I'm real comfy with me doing things my way too. Is this UE "group" supposed to be a community? I dunno. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with the assumption. If I'm part -- or wish to be thought of as part -- of the "community" does that mean I have to conform?
| Get over yourselves, and your egos. And the forum might be a happier place. |
Some people who frequent these electronic halls have opinions. They aren't the slightest bit inhibited, either. When you're wrong, they'll tell you. And still too there are those who feel just as strongly, but elect not to voice their view so loudly. There's room for each kind. For obvious reasons, the "uninhibited" tend to be on the leading edge of alot of threads.
| I for one, would love to see more posts about mission accounts, tips on possible UE's, and helpful hints. |
Ditto.
But y'know, one man's bash is another man's jest. I've not intentionally bashed anyone here, but I know people well enough to realize it's possible that someone can take my vociferous perspective personally. That would be their choice. And it would be a choice I'd not encourage them to make. But hey, folks will do what they will.
After all, I might just be kidding. Or I just might feel strongly about what I say. Either way, it's nothing personal, and therefor, it's not bashing. If I think your idea is valid, I will listen. If I think it's full of crap, I'll still listen. And when you're through and I've heard what you have to say, I'll tell you what I think about it.
[last edit 10/28/2003 2:35 AM by MothMan - edited 2 times]
|
|
MothMan
Noble Donor
Location: The Gem City
Gender: Male
If you didn't bring back any pictures with you then you obviously weren't there!
| | Re:
<Reply # 14 on 10/28/2003 2:33 AM >
| | | | Posted by uem-Mokonax
In addition to "General" and "Urban Exploration", I think we need an "Argue about Camo" forum.
|
Fine, fine. But for god's sake, Jester cannot be the moderator! 
|
|
Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re:
<Reply # 15 on 10/28/2003 2:35 AM >
|  | | | Posted by MothMan
Fine, fine. But for god's sake, Jester cannot be the moderator!
|
Yeah, we wouldn't want an informed opinion there, just rampant speculation.
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
|
MothMan
Noble Donor
Location: The Gem City
Gender: Male
If you didn't bring back any pictures with you then you obviously weren't there!
| | Re:
<Reply # 16 on 10/28/2003 2:40 AM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
Posted by MothMan
Fine, fine. But for god's sake, Jester cannot be the moderator!
|
Yeah, we wouldn't want an informed opinion there, just rampant speculation.
|
Exactly! There's enough informed opinion elsewhere in the forum. It's high time those who have strong viewpoints based on practical experience pipe down for awhile! Let speculation have a chance.
|
|
ReAct
Location: Northern Jersey... For now.
Gender: Male
| |  | Re:
<Reply # 18 on 10/28/2003 3:57 AM >
| | | | Me, I love to talk. If I get comfortable around you, I can talk your ear off and then talk it back on again. This comes through in the fact that I reply to so damn many of these posts. Yeah, I'm trying to provide what I think is a useful opinion filled with useful information, but maybe you don't see it that way. Maybe you think me and my ideas are full of crap. To me, that's just as well, because at least I've knocked a couple of bad ideas off your list, maybe help you reach a good idea that much quicker.
I think any exchange is good exchange as long as it stimulates different thoughts and/or different actions.
My definition of progress.
-ReAct
"'13.2V...' Thirteen volts. It's thirteen volts? Jesus, I could practically be made of salt water and this wouldn't hurt me."
"That says '13.2kV.'"
"Ohhhh... Thirteen-thousand volts... I suppose that's a little different...." |
|
Stewie
  
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Gender: Male
kill your idols
| | | Re:
<Reply # 19 on 10/28/2003 4:06 AM >
| | | | And is the way humans are. We argue our point to stupidness cause we care about ourselves more than anyone else. Its an instinct. Live with it. To prove my point, I'm sure someone will argue this, therefore not pissing me off as they actually verified my point... hah its flame proof 
> The hierarchy of power dictates that the person with the most power does the least amount of work and retains the highest benefit. |
|
|
|
All content and images copyright © 2002-2024 UER.CA and respective creators. Graphical Design by Crossfire.
To contact webmaster, or click to email with problems or other questions about this site:
UER CONTACT
View Terms of Service |
View Privacy Policy |
Server colocation provided by Beanfield
This page was generated for you in 109 milliseconds. Since June 23, 2002, a total of 740930675 pages have been generated.
|
|
