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1 2 3 4   UER Forum > Archived Old Forum Issues > Crew or Group pages (Viewed 1335 times) DjMalign  Location: Fort Collins, CO Gender: Male Sexy, sexy, sexy  |  |  Re: Crew or Group pages <Reply # 40 on 5/9/2005 3:46 PM >   Posted by Jester I sometimes wonder if people comprehend or even read Kowalski's well written posts. There was no trash talking of an individual, there was simply an opinion, and that opinion was about the idea, not about the person. It was reacted to as if it were a personal attack, which it wasn't if you read it... Well, I don't know about you but Posted by kowalski Can we have clans too? Can we put little 2-3 letter identifiers at the start of our names to proclaim our allegiance? [awww shit, Tux and company beat me to that (**)] Can we just start operating as partisan cells and e-mail our conquests directly to the landowners along with threats of further bloodshed? sounds like someone who might be talking shit. Its a completely unessicary response MADE to make the person who asked the question seem like a complete fool. Even your comment about being able to "comprehend" someone's post is a passive-aggressive way of making your point while talking down about others who do not share your view. Grow up. [last edit 5/9/2005 3:47 PM by DjMalign - edited 1 times] I hate all of you Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Crew or Group pages <Reply # 41 on 5/9/2005 3:57 PM >   Kowalski's post was assault upon the idea. My post was indeed pointing out that people do not read or comprehend, which you have illustrated for me. Thank you. It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. DjMalign  Location: Fort Collins, CO Gender: Male Sexy, sexy, sexy  |  |  Re: Crew or Group pages <Reply # 42 on 5/9/2005 3:58 PM >   congrats. you win a gold star. I hate all of you Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Crew or Group pages <Reply # 43 on 5/9/2005 4:05 PM >   Posted by DjMalign congrats. you win a gold star. I'd like to thank the academy, all the little people along the way, and most especially, the illiterate and slow witted. Much love, peace. It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. Chainsaw  This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. Location: Underground, Colorado Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Crew or Group pages <Reply # 44 on 5/9/2005 4:16 PM >   I think if a group wanted to post themselves as a regional resource in some way and Av was willing to code it I think it would be okay. I don't think we should go all clans or anything like that, it's not about trading cards or anything, but if someone is looking for a group to join and there's a group looking for members in their area I don't see why UER would be a bad place for them to find each other. A lot of the complaints newbies have is having a hard time finding someone to explore with, and Jester is right - post your location in your damn profile. Now that the general public is limited from a lot of the resources here I think we should be supporting ways for existing explorers and groups and new users to get together. A quick reference and link to a groups webpage wouldn't be a bad thing in the long run, I think. Though, honestly I'd like to see a lot more people using the Events board for such things. Quid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. Burzum  Noble Donor  |  |  Re: Crew or Group pages <Reply # 45 on 5/9/2005 4:42 PM >   i'm sorry, but watching the mods scramble to defend Kowalski and his statement really makes a farce of all the rules we just worked so hard to put together. a 'normal' member of UER would at least have faced a warning from the mods. however, i have yet to see a mod ever own up to misbehaving, and i guess this is just another instance of this. an apology would have cost nothing, and would have been the polite thing to do - even if you oppose the issue. jester, stop hijacking threads - particularly if you are going to delete post you deem irrelevant elsewhere. adding insults to the situation is hardly constructive. it's not that i care much about this issue - but we all said we were going to stop this kind of nonsense. that means everyone has to try - especially those who have agreed to enforce the rules. now this is not meant to mod bashing - in many ways, most of you do a great job. but this is simply not the way to treat people... personally, i think maybe it is time for Av to pull the mods aside and discuss whether or not enforcing the rules system also means obeying it. www.rouskrew.com because evil won't just do itself. Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Crew or Group pages <Reply # 46 on 5/9/2005 4:55 PM >   Burzum, no mods are *scrambling to defend kowalski*. I agree wholeheartedly with his opinion and stated so. No *normal member* would have been disciplined for stating that he did not like an idea. There was no personal attack in the post. None. He attacked the idea presented. So once again, reading and comprehension is clearly in short supply here right now. He attacked the idea and hypothesized what he would envision being the outcome. No attack on the person. Telling me not to hijack the thread ? I've posted about the idea, and about the lack of understanding of a person's reply to the idea. Personally I think you need to realize that a person disagreeing with an idea someone has or a concept they came up with does not indicate the person is insulting the originator of the idea or concept. It means the person is disagreeing with the idea, not the individual. It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. Burzum  Noble Donor  |  |  Re: Crew or Group pages <Reply # 47 on 5/9/2005 5:08 PM >   Posted by Jester Personally I think you need to realize that a person disagreeing with an idea someone has or a concept they came up with does not indicate the person is insulting the originator of the idea or concept. It means the person is disagreeing with the idea, not the individual. ah yes, the usual. it can't be that i disagree, its probably just that i didn't read the post, or understand it, right? sigh. if you don't want to see it, you won't. i will table future suggestions that we try and treat each other with respect, be civil to new members, or keep threads on topic. www.rouskrew.com because evil won't just do itself. Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Crew or Group pages <Reply # 48 on 5/9/2005 5:38 PM >   Burzum, as Forthright said, Kowalski is not the type to do as you are assuming he did. The fact of the matter is, you really really didn't understand. It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. Macsbug  Noble Donor Location: St. Paul, MN Gender: Male Safety First!  |  |  Re: Crew or Group pages <Reply # 49 on 5/9/2005 7:01 PM >   Thank you Jester. I also do not see why people seem to be unable to differentiate between bashing an idea, and the person who brought said idea forth. example: Me: "Bush's plan to help lower gas prices will fail, because it will just give more money to already rich oil companies, which is ridiculous." You: "There is no reason to bash our Commander in Chief, he brings up a new idea and you go and harass his character. I'm glad we don't stoop so low..." [last edit 5/9/2005 7:01 PM by Macsbug - edited 1 times] "Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it." Burzum  Noble Donor  |  |  Re: Crew or Group pages <Reply # 50 on 5/9/2005 7:46 PM >   Posted by Jester Burzum, as Forthright said, Kowalski is not the type to do as you are assuming he did. The fact of the matter is, you really really didn't understand. uhm, no. i understand perfectly. i just disagree. www.rouskrew.com because evil won't just do itself. Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Crew or Group pages <Reply # 51 on 5/9/2005 7:57 PM >   Posted by Burzum uhm, no. i understand perfectly. i just disagree. If you understood Kowalski, you would know it was not an attack on a person. It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. Chainsaw  This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. Location: Underground, Colorado Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Crew or Group pages <Reply # 52 on 5/9/2005 8:09 PM >   Well Jester, it kind of was an attack, but not at a poster, Kowalski made it pretty clear that he doesn't hold much respect for poser UE groups where 5 people get together and talk about exploring but never go explore. Kind of like, I got the tshirt to be cool but never saw the band kind of attitude. Which, I have to agree with - on the Subciety website we include a LOT of bullshit about this sort of thing, but really we're still all about exploring. Well, I should say we're about exploring, and meeting other local explorers and trying to display an upstanding set of morals about B&E, theft and vandalisim. Quid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. DjMalign  Location: Fort Collins, CO Gender: Male Sexy, sexy, sexy  |  |  Re: Crew or Group pages <Reply # 53 on 5/9/2005 8:11 PM >   Posted by Jester If you understood Kowalski, you would know it was not an attack on a person. Are you dense? Do you talk this way to everybody you meet? I hate all of you oCtAnE  Location: TORONTO, CANADA Gender: Male EXPLORER AT LARGE  |  |  Re: Crew or Group pages <Reply # 54 on 5/9/2005 8:24 PM >   Posted by Burzum i'm sorry, but watching the mods scramble to defend Kowalski and his statement really makes a farce of all the rules we just worked so hard to put together. a 'normal' member of UER would at least have faced a warning from the mods. however, i have yet to see a mod ever own up to misbehaving, and i guess this is just another instance of this. an apology would have cost nothing, and would have been the polite thing to do - even if you oppose the issue. Finally.....someone else besides me that sees the big picture. Jester, stop hijacking threads - particularly if you are going to delete posts you deem irrelevant elsewhere. adding insults to the situation is hardly constructive. I have to agree on this. Frequent posting of insulting content is detrimental to any thread. C'mon Jester.....always having to have the last word is giving you a bad rap. It's not that i care much about this issue - but we all said we were going to stop this kind of nonsense. that means everyone has to try - especially those who have agreed to enforce the rules. The problem being is that no one seems to really enforce the rules except for Av, and only a couple of 'good' mods, and even then, any given mod would be given a slap on the wrist. I see favouritism and elitism here. I'm not trying to start anything: certain mods already did the job quite well. Now this is not meant to mod bashing - in many ways, most of you do a great job. but this is simply not the way to treat people.... Here here. Personally, i think maybe it is time for Av to pull the mods aside and discuss whether or not enforcing the rules system also means obeying it. And perhaps harsher penalties for mods that violate the rules, even in a small way. A good deterrent often makes a great reality check. -Octane FUELED BY OCTANE. Simian  Location: Atlanta Gender: Male One F  |  |  Re: Crew or Group pages <Reply # 55 on 5/9/2005 8:26 PM >   Wow this thread got retarded fast. Perhaps all new ideas should be presented as polls then we won't have all of this describing someone else's opinion shit. Anywho. I would like to see the ability for more than one person to get credit for a location. On a coding standpoint I think this would be easier to acheive if a lone group was credited and it had a profile just like we as individuals have. No major bandwidth there. That way there's still only one thing credited on the LDB, that one thing just happens to be a group name. This dick wagging and clan war crap is nonsense. I personally think that a group getting credit for a loc is way less competitive than the individual. UE is NOT a competition and too many people make it out to be one. It's annoying. My group is based on friendship. How do you become a member of our group? You explore with us a couple of times and ask. We're not some warring faction we're just some UE'rs that explore as a group and would like all of us to receive credit for the find and the exploration. DJ Malign has explored with us a number of times and not once have we asked him to take the name of our group, and not once has he asked us to allow him. We can all coexist. And if some can't, it's just one more reason someone can get banned and we can further weed out the bad seeds of UER. Although some of these bad seeds seem to be mods. Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Crew or Group pages <Reply # 56 on 5/9/2005 8:55 PM >   All of you that don't know Kowalski very well are passing judgement on what he said as if you know him. He is without a doubt one of the most rational and thoughtful people on this entire site. He's one of the most respectable people i've ever met. He did not insult a person, plain and simple. He attacked the idea, which in his opinion was a stupid one which would continue the bastardization of this hobby. You want to know what fucked this site up ? Piles and piles of kids joining to be 1337 explorers. We've got over 8000 members here and from the looks of it, maybe 10% are actually explorers. Ideas like making a groups page would only further that mentality. If you want a place filled with Chikote/intalex/mousey wannabes, then by all means go right ahead. I made the most rational suggestion possible. If you want people to be able to find local explorers, then put your location in your profiles. Go, look through the profiles and see how many are blank or have entries like "far from you" or "15 minutes away". Yeah, that's really helpful and productive. Having a list of groups so new people can try to join isn't likely to get a happy response from a lot of people. I get a few requests a month from 31337 explorers that just found out about ue and want to join my team. You think everybody that email Max Action is gonna be in Action squad ? If you want to help people find other local explorers and do it in a way that won't attract fake wannabe kids, then make your location known so others in your area or others travelling to your area know who's there. It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. Burzum  Noble Donor  |  |  Re: Crew or Group pages <Reply # 57 on 5/9/2005 9:09 PM >   Jester, we all pass judgement on each other on the site. you passed judgement on me a couple times already on this thread, and you don't know me either. i am not attacking kowalski, i just thought his comment was out of line and unnecessarily hostile. you need to stop. you are being silly. step away from the computer, just relax - this shouldn't be a big deal. now, will someone please step in and lock the thread before Jester explodes, and maybe have a little talk with the mods regarding civility, even when they feel other people are wrong? www.rouskrew.com because evil won't just do itself. DjMalign  Location: Fort Collins, CO Gender: Male Sexy, sexy, sexy  |  |  Re: Crew or Group pages <Reply # 58 on 5/9/2005 9:09 PM >   I have no problem with you or him having an opinion, the way you express that opinion however, is rude. That's what most people's problems have been on this issue. On the same dime I agree that we should not have groups listed on the uer because we don't want people to: a) be intimidated by anyone. we're all the same status of people and a formal group might make people feel distant and unapproachable. b) gettin pm'ed by people asking me to join their group doesn't sound like much fun and it will happen. c) having any inclination that there are competing groups or cities or what not hence giving people more fuel to flame uer. See? A nice and constructive way to disagree. I think it was a nice suggestion because we are a community *supposedly* and strengthening the community is important but the way Mr.T(oeknee) stated it might have some problems. I hate all of you Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Crew or Group pages <Reply # 59 on 5/9/2005 9:31 PM >   Posted by DjMalign b) gettin pm'ed by people asking me to join their group doesn't sound like much fun and it will happen. Oh no, it's lots of fun. Especially when they get all pissy when you say "sorry, i'm not looking for new members but thanks for your interest." It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. UER Forum > Archived Old Forum Issues > Crew or Group pages (Viewed 1335 times)  1 2 3 4   All content and images copyright © 2002-2024 UER.CA and respective creators. Graphical Design by Crossfire. To contact webmaster, or click to email with problems or other questions about this site: UER CONTACT View Terms of Service | View Privacy Policy | Server colocation provided by Beanfield This page was generated for you in 125 milliseconds. Since June 23, 2002, a total of 740586487 pages have been generated.