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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8   UER Forum > Archived Old Forum Issues > Help The Mods! (Viewed 6848 times) greywolf45  Location: U.S.A. Gender: Male Resident UER pain in the ass  |  |  |  Re: Help The Mods! <Reply # 80 on 4/11/2005 7:21 PM >   Posted by Picker what if you love the site but you just stopped posting because everything seems to explode into bickering anyways? I'm never gonna see Level 3 and i love this place. Poor me......sniff..sniff. I guess so Picker. BTW, i love the picture you use for your avatar. "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends" Martin Luther King Jr. Syd2   |  Re: Help The Mods! <Reply # 81 on 4/12/2005 10:31 PM >   Posted by turbozutek That doesn't make an awful lot of sense. He didn't say he was untrustworthy. While some are obviously abrasive in attitude and not in agreeance with your point of view, this makes them untrustworthy? Or is this whole thing purely an elitist popularity contest as others have suggested? Chris... This whole thing purely IS elitist popularity contest as others have suggested. What are your standards for trust? Simply a min. number of posts and ratings? I would have to say that you can only trust those that you know in person. Not to knock this forum and website but it seems a bit childish and reminds me of 9th grade with all the separation and elitism. I trust who I trust. just because someone some stupid icon next to their name don't mean shit. Im not going to tell everyone that looks at this site who I trust. Why would I want to let the world know who is for real and who is a poser, you have to admit there are a lot of posers on this site. There are respected and well known people on the board and there are weasels that rat people out to the cops, shooting from the bushs. The real boards, the ones that count you dont know about, that not elitist because everyone on them is equal in trust and respect. Elitist boards separate and divides its members. Yeah the database is pretty cool but is it necessary? We didnt need no stinking databases 7 or 8 years ago. 90% of the fun is discovery not being spoon fed the details. For the record I have been doing this since 1977 when I was 11 yers old growing up in Detroit, No level 3 for me who cares. [last edit 4/12/2005 10:43 PM by Syd2 - edited 1 times] Proud to have Mexican and Chinese friends, or is proud to be Mexican or Chinese Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Help The Mods! <Reply # 82 on 4/12/2005 10:36 PM >   Syd, refer back to page 3 and my post explained a bit, maybe you didn't see it... It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. Freak  Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP. Gender: Male Hypocrite  |  |  Re: Help The Mods! <Reply # 83 on 4/12/2005 10:37 PM >   Posted by Crossfire Posted by Syd I dont trust anybody and dont think anyone should trust me. C. Good to know, Syd. No level 3 for you. Makes my job a lot easier. Anyone else want to let the mods know they are untrustworthy? Thanks! C. While I'm glad to see it's generated over a page of heated discussion, I believe the content of Crossfire's post is what's known as a "Joke" or "Sarcastic Remark". These terms can be found in most dictionaries if you are unfamiliar with them. Turn off the internet and go play outside. http://spamusement...hp/comics/view/137 Syd2   |  Re: Help The Mods! <Reply # 84 on 4/12/2005 10:56 PM >   Posted by Freak While I'm glad to see it's generated over a page of heated discussion, I believe the content of Crossfire's post is what's known as a "Joke" or "Sarcastic Remark". These terms can be found in most dictionaries if you are unfamiliar with them. Joke or sarcastic remark? They do have different definitions. those terms can be found in all dictionaries. I offered up an honest remark, or was it? hmmmm, since according to Crosshair Im stating that I am not trustworthy which can it be? Maybe it was just good advice. You believe it was sarcasm or a joke? Dont people hide there uneasiness behind humor? Just continue to let the spoon fed children come here to be told where to go and what to do. [last edit 4/12/2005 10:58 PM by Syd2 - edited 1 times] Proud to have Mexican and Chinese friends, or is proud to be Mexican or Chinese Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Help The Mods! <Reply # 85 on 4/12/2005 11:01 PM >   Ok, thanks for coming out Syd. Feel free to read the post I referred to on page 3 as it could help you with your misunderstandings. It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. Syd2   |  Re: Help The Mods! <Reply # 86 on 4/12/2005 11:19 PM >   No misunderstandings. The facts speak loud enough. Enjoy your little club Whos gives a Fuck? have fun. [last edit 4/12/2005 11:20 PM by Syd2 - edited 1 times] Proud to have Mexican and Chinese friends, or is proud to be Mexican or Chinese Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Help The Mods! <Reply # 87 on 4/12/2005 11:26 PM >   Posted by Syd No misunderstandings. The facts speak loud enough. Enjoy your little club Yes, the fact that I have approved people I don't like, don't actually know, and won't likely ever meet shows that this is definitely my little club... Fine I'll enjoy my little club, Syd, and you enjoy yours. toodles It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. Crossfire  Location: Kay-Dub Gender: Male Don't call it a comeback, I've been here for years.  |  |  |  |  Re: Help The Mods! <Reply # 88 on 4/13/2005 12:05 AM >   Posted by .. Joke or sarcastic remark? They do have different definitions. those terms can be found in all dictionaries. Actually... it was neither. Okay, well, maybe it was a little tounge-in-cheek, but it wasn't supposed to be a joke. You said that nobody should trust you. Nobody. The Level 3 system is based on who the administration, moderators, and users of UER feel can be trusted with sensitive information. This arose because some people on UER had access to sensitive information and used it for the purposes of EVIL. You're saying you shouldn't be trusted, Syd. If you then requested Level 3, my job would be simple. Denied. You said so yourself, so I don't need to do any work to make that decision. End of story. Why is this so difficult a concept? C. Disgruntled. 'Dukes  Noble Donor Gender: Male At least someone llikes me  |  |  Re: Help The Mods! <Reply # 89 on 4/13/2005 12:17 AM >   Crossfire; I think his intention was to point out that he wouldn't trust anyone he has not personally met, and he would not expect trust from someone that hasn't met him. Sounds like a philosophy to me, it doesn't mean he's be a dumbass as it relates to this place. I think he's just making a point. Personally, I think he's right. After all, the people that started this debate in the first place would have been marked trusted in ten minutes. He's just being forthright. I got your tour winner right here pussies, at least he'd crash out trying. Syd2   |  Re: Help The Mods! <Reply # 90 on 4/13/2005 12:21 AM >   Posted by 'Dukes Crossfire; I think his intention was to point out that he wouldn't trust anyone he has not personally met, and he would not expect trust from someone that hasn't met him. Sounds like a philosophy to me, it doesn't mean he's be a dumbass as it relates to this place. I think he's just making a point. Personally, I think he's right. After all, the people that started this debate in the first place would have been marked trusted in ten minutes. He's just being forthright. Thank You. Someone understands. Now I can shut up. Proud to have Mexican and Chinese friends, or is proud to be Mexican or Chinese TurboZutek  King Dick Location: Scotland Gender: Male Giant octo-penised rapephant  |  |  |  Re: Help The Mods! <Reply # 91 on 4/13/2005 12:22 AM >   Posted by .. Thank You. Someone understands. Now I can shut up. I suspect 99.9% of people reading this thread understood, as I did. They just couldn't be bothered. Chris... We all had ostriches. My dad had an ostrich farm! I remember one day someone came in and said the high altitude bombing of Kosovo had been a limited success, so we all went out and celebrated… by killing an ostrich and boiling it in kiwi fruit. greywolf45  Location: U.S.A. Gender: Male Resident UER pain in the ass  |  |  |  Re: Help The Mods! <Reply # 92 on 4/13/2005 12:57 AM >   Posted by Crossfire Actually... it was neither. Okay, well, maybe it was a little tounge-in-cheek, but it wasn't supposed to be a joke. You said that nobody should trust you. Nobody. The Level 3 system is based on who the administration, moderators, and users of UER feel can be trusted with sensitive information. This arose because some people on UER had access to sensitive information and used it for the purposes of EVIL. You're saying you shouldn't be trusted, Syd. If you then requested Level 3, my job would be simple. Denied. You said so yourself, so I don't need to do any work to make that decision. End of story. Why is this so difficult a concept? C. Trust goes both ways Crossfire, always has. So Crossfire, in denying me level 3, are you saying that you know me not to be trustworthy, for that matter, do you know me at all? How do you know who is trustworthy, and who is not? [last edit 4/13/2005 10:36 AM by greywolf45 - edited 3 times] "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends" Martin Luther King Jr. cjb  Location: Sept-îles/Saint-John's/Corner Brooks/Montréal/Sydney Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Help The Mods! <Reply # 93 on 4/13/2005 4:41 AM >   Posted by Jester Yes, the fact that I have approved people I don't like, don't actually know, and won't likely ever meet shows that this is definitely my little club... Fine I'll enjoy my little club, Syd, and you enjoy yours. toodles I have to admit, I don't like jester all but still managed to get level 3. http://www.magazin...dossiers/index.htm Chainsaw  This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. Location: Underground, Colorado Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Help The Mods! <Reply # 94 on 4/13/2005 1:57 PM >   Here's an idea...let's just ban anyone who isn't L3 from posting - that would cut down on the whining... Seriously guys, it's not hard to get trusted. If you think it's too hard, then boo hoo - go start your own website and only give level 3 rights to the people you trust. See how many people wander into your forum and complain about it being elitist. There has been a lot of tightening up around here lately, we're getting ready to roll out this L3 access restriction stuff, mods are updating rules to reduce conflict between users (or, in my opinion, just giving mods the authority and responsibility to do something about confclicts between users). I for one am all for it. Only complaint I really have at this point is all the whining that is going on about it. I guess I'm in a unique position, I actually TRUST Av and the other Mods and believe they are trying to make this a better community and a better resource. If you don't think that's the case then you best leave and start your own forum. The only person that has the "right" to access thes forum is Av because he pays for the electricity and snacks. Everyone else is here as a personal guest of Av and if he doesn't think your behavior is appropriate, or if he doesn't trust you to dig around in the closets then so be it, you have no right to be here beyond his tolerance. If Av invited you over to his house it would be up to him whether you would be allowed to dig around in his medicine cabinet. Quid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. courtney  Location: Detroit, MI Gender: Female  |  Re: Help The Mods! <Reply # 95 on 4/13/2005 3:08 PM >   Posted by MacGyver To better answer your question, Turbo, The criteria we are going on can be loosely defined as follows: Anyone that has contributed some decent material to the LDB (decent excluding things like blank locations) and has a post history with nothing that raises any flags is in. Things that raise flags would be signs that there is a good chance the user would abuse the information in the LDB. People that openly admit to vandalism, arson, tagging, looting, etc. would fall into this category. Basically, if it appears that the person might use the information in the LDB maliciously in some way, the processing of their level three request will depend upon that. Part of the frustration, I believe, is from the ambiguity of the new "criteria". I've read numerous times that you do not have to know a mod to get level 3 access. I had also read numerous times that other criteria such as posts, databases created, and comments would be used to justify level 3 access. When applications for level 3 access were opened up to anyone who didn't know a mod/weren't already given level 3 access, I applied. I ASSumed that while I've only able to really become more of a contributor on this site in the past few months, the combination of my activity here and my (albeit poorly coded and one out of date) websites would be enough. I tend to think most people with websites/interests in genealogy aren't out destroying the very history they'd like to preserve. Instead I received a rejection with the helpful tip to meet a mod and try again in a few weeks. Disappointed? Yes. Devastated, hardly. I enjoyed the db - I didn't use it as a place to find new places to explore (as much as I'd love to, unless I win the lottery, I won't have enough money to spend large amounts of time in half of the countries on the db) but rather as almost a means of living vicariously through others. I enjoyed the photography, I enjoyed seeing the hidden abandoned treasures that most people throughout the world ignored. I suspect that a large number who are upset about the changes have similar feelings towards the db. Yes, I can seek out individual sites from random countries where people have ue'd, but it was handy to have many in one place. I also suspect that if more firm trust rules were created (ie: you must have x number of locations with x number of pictures, you must have been a user for x amount of time with x number of posts, etc etc) there wouldn't be such a problem with so many. It would appear like less of a popularity contest, because as it stands, it seems like some mods have different ideas of trust than others. But that's just my opinion, so perhaps I'm just assuming things again. MacGyver  Location: St Paul, Minnesota Gender: Male "Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"  |  Re: Help The Mods! <Reply # 96 on 4/13/2005 3:23 PM >   Posted by courtney I also suspect that if more firm trust rules were created (ie: you must have x number of locations with x number of pictures, you must have been a user for x amount of time with x number of posts, etc etc) there wouldn't be such a problem with so many. It would appear like less of a popularity contest, because as it stands, it seems like some mods have different ideas of trust than others. But that's just my opinion, so perhaps I'm just assuming things again. I understand your frustration, but there are pretty hard and fast guidelines used to evaluate level three requests. You only have a handful of posts on the site, and nearly half of them are in the other section and don't have anything to do with UE in a way that would help a moderator get a feel for you. People that have over 100 posts or so and have posted actively in the UE-related sections should have plenty of material of this sort. When evaluating level three requests, mods will examine your post history because it is one of the best ways to get to know you short of really getting to know you. Someone that speaks of smashing, burning, looting, etc. all of the time is not the kind of person we want to knowingly provide access to the LDB full of potentially abusable information. While you're more than likely not the kind of person described above, I (and the mod originally handling your request) have extremely little to go by for making any kind of opinion. You have two options to proceed from here. Either you can start being more active on the site and posting in the UE sections to build up a bit of a post history and show your colors, or you could try meeting and/or exploring with a few level three people that can vouch for you. Mods are also level three, so meeting a mod would make sense as well. Hopefully this has been helpful to those that are questioning and doubting the system. There is much rhyme and reason to it, but most of it is unseen, which creates the illusion of a popularity contest. Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine "If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent." courtney  Location: Detroit, MI Gender: Female  |  Re: Help The Mods! <Reply # 97 on 4/13/2005 4:18 PM >   Posted by MacGyver I understand your frustration, but there are pretty hard and fast guidelines used to evaluate level three requests. You only have a handful of posts on the site, and nearly half of them are in the other section and don't have anything to do with UE in a way that would help a moderator get a feel for you. People that have over 100 posts or so and have posted actively in the UE-related sections should have plenty of material of this sort. When evaluating level three requests, mods will <snip> opinion. You have two options to proceed from here. Either you can start being more active on the site and posting in the UE sections to build up a bit of a post history and show your colors, or you could try meeting and/or exploring with a few level three people that can vouch for you. Mods are also level three, so meeting a mod would make sense as well. With all due respect, if there ARE hard and fast guidelines, I think there would be very very few people who had any problem with the system as it is. For example, your "over 100" posts is a good thing to know. So there IS a minimum, it was just unstated? Perhaps I'm just not understanding the point of all the secretiveness and ambiguity if there ARE indeed hard and fast guidelines. I've never been a member of any other forum that has not claimed to be a closed, private affair that does not let users know what the guidelines are for admission into certain parts of the forum. In regards to postings, I'm assuming that comments and discussions in the db carry absolutely no weight at all? Unfortunately, given that I'm not even able to read a thread on film in one of the UE related sections (perhaps I can create a whole new language for the encyclopedia!) it would be exceedingly impossible to join enough conversations in the allowed UE-centered areas (especially if comments/threads in the db that can no longer be accessed do not count) to either reach near 100 posts anytime soon or somehow reach the magical point where a mod becomes enlightened to my true nature. Again, not trying to argue, just curious. Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Help The Mods! <Reply # 98 on 4/13/2005 5:01 PM >   Please also take into consideration that level 3 requests are open to recommendations and strikes logged for or against that person, by other level 3 members. This can play a factor in the final decision. It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. ofberenonehand  Location: Minn-e-snow-ta "Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve."  |  Re: Help The Mods! <Reply # 99 on 4/13/2005 5:09 PM >   Posted by Jester Please also take into consideration that level 3 requests are open to recommendations and strikes logged for or against that person, by other level 3 members. This can play a factor in the final decision. I'm curious. How much participation has there been in this system. I've tried to comment on those I have met, but it seems like this aspect could be promoted more. Or are you guys getting plenty of comments? 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