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 tnarduzzi
   
Location: Nevernever, LD, Canada
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 |  | Canadian Wiretap Laws
< on 11/29/2004 9:48 PM >
|  | | | Does anyone on here know the Canadian Phone Tap laws.
Such as how much do 'they' need against you to be able to tap your phone lines? Does the same apply to internet communications? What are they legally need to have against you to be able to tap either of these?
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Fubster
Location: Tampa Bay Area, Florida
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Though highly intelligent, guide dogs cannot interpret street signs.
| |  |  | Re: Canadian Wiretap Laws
<Reply # 1 on 11/29/2004 10:44 PM >
| | | | In the US, they need a warrant. Unless you're a terrorist...
What reason do you have to suspect that you are being monitored?
Sometimes, you need to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don't know what your rights are, or who it is you're talking to. Then, on your way out, slam the door. |
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el nerdo
     
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What are you, from the Department of Know'm Sayin's? You takin' a Know'm census?
| | | Re: Canadian Wiretap Laws
<Reply # 2 on 11/30/2004 2:13 PM >
| | | | Posted by Colonel Fubster
In the US, they need a warrant. Unless you're a terrorist...
What reason do you have to suspect that you are being monitored?
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Incorrect. The Patriot Act provides the authorities to wiretap without any warrant at all anymore; terrorist or otherwise.
While the Act was written with terrorism in mind, the wording of the law allows agencies carte blanche when it comes to wiretapping.
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Ibby
Location: Victoria
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Canadian Wiretap Laws
<Reply # 3 on 11/30/2004 2:29 PM >
|  | | | Encrypt everything. Make 'em work for their paycheque... ;)
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Skaught
Location: Calgary
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Canadian Wiretap Laws
<Reply # 4 on 12/9/2004 8:20 AM >
| | | | Nothing the UE community does is that interesting to the man.
Contrary to what our mommies told us, we are simply not that special.
My name and address are publicly available and known and at least 2 other explorers in our circle have had their real names on national media over the last 4 years. If the man wants me, I am easy to find. I live a few hundred meters from a police station, it is not like they would have to even go out of their way.
If you ever come to Calgary then email [email protected] and you'll be made welcome, taken to locations and given free accommodation. We'll help save you the $$$ you spend on the flight over here :) |
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ChillBill
| | Re: Canadian Wiretap Laws
<Reply # 5 on 12/10/2004 4:38 AM >
|  | | | Posted by el nerdo
Incorrect. The Patriot Act provides the authorities to wiretap without any warrant at all anymore; terrorist or otherwise.
While the Act was written with terrorism in mind, the wording of the law allows agencies carte blanche when it comes to wiretapping.
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Actually that is incorrect, they still need a warrant, its just easier to get now.
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BigPoppaMikey
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| |  |  | | Re: Canadian Wiretap Laws
<Reply # 6 on 12/10/2004 5:01 AM >
| | | | Posted by happyboy
Actually that is incorrect, they still need a warrant, its just easier to get now.
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No, a warrant is no longer needed under the Patriot Act. Just like every one of your 'rights' and 'civil liberties' can be suspended for 'suspected' terrorist activities. No proof is needed, just like during the McCarthy era...
[last edit 12/10/2004 5:03 AM by BigPoppaMikey - edited 1 times]
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BigPoppaMikey
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| | | | | Re: Canadian Wiretap Laws
<Reply # 7 on 12/10/2004 5:02 AM >
| | | | Posted by Ibby
Encrypt everything. Make 'em work for their paycheque... ;)
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ANYTHING you encrypt can be decrypted quite easily...
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Beryl
Not as fluffy as Av!
Location: Germany
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Uncle Beryl
| | Re: Canadian Wiretap Laws
<Reply # 8 on 12/10/2004 12:04 PM >
| | | | Posted by BigPoppaMikey
ANYTHING you encrypt can be decrypted quite easily... |
Not quite... Many encryption algorithms are actually quite strong (AES IS NOT TRUSTED EXCEPT IN THE US and should never be trusted for security, although a compatible and free replacement named "camellia" is trusted by the EU, Canada, Japan, and many other countries) and most "hackers" would usually attack the authentication mechanisms instead of trying true "decryption" due to the simplicity and speed. Computing huge tables of passwords/values one time instead of brute forcing (trying all possibilities) means that all the computation only needs to be done once and cryptanalysis can be done infinitely without costing more CPU power or time other than for the short few minutes used to search for the password.
It is easy to increase your chances of staying secure; Use strong passwords for your keys and keep your keys safe.
My normal computer (which is fairly slow at 1.2GHz), cracking SHA-1 hashed passwords (which is the most widely used hash standard used in many programs <such as BestCrypt>) gives these examples:
(All benchmarks are calculated using the lowest number of tables required to reach 90% probability)
SHA-1, 1-7 lowercase letters only: 3 days to precompute all tables, maximum 7 seconds to break any at and time in the future after that.
SHA-1, 1-7 characters (lower or upper case, numbers, and all symbols including outside of the 14 most common ones): 13 years to computer all tables, maximum 3 hours to crack any after that.
That means that the difference between a 6 character password using only letters (both upper and lower case) and a 7 character password with a number and a symbol is 13 years worth of computing time...
Based on known computational abilities and cost, large passwords of more than 13 characters are recommended to keep safe (9.9x10^28 years to create the tables for on my system). Not as hard as it seems. One single sentence or quote with a few numbers and a weird character here and there should be more than enough and easy to remember. People remember much longer movie quotes all the time without even trying  . All Joe Schmo (some guy that wants to break your password) would have to do to break your smaller one is either own a normal computer or go to a university with a cheap supercomputer.
Anyways, to be very secure, keeping your keys outside your computer on a "token" (a piece of hardware that can be small enough to fit on a ring or watch) makes things very safe. Without the key, you are forced to attempt real decryption which is difficult to the point of being impossible within a lifetime for most secure algorithms.
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MothMan
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Location: The Gem City
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If you didn't bring back any pictures with you then you obviously weren't there!
| | Re: Canadian Wiretap Laws
<Reply # 9 on 12/10/2004 2:14 PM >
| | | | Posted by BigPoppaMikey
ANYTHING you encrypt can be decrypted quite easily...
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Is your reply practical or theoretical? Do you have, or know someone who has, advanced cryptography tools that can decrypt strong encryption?
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Ibby
Location: Victoria
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Canadian Wiretap Laws
<Reply # 10 on 12/10/2004 2:38 PM >
| | | | Posted by BigPoppaMikey
ANYTHING you encrypt can be decrypted quite easily...
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I heartily disagree, unless you're using some storebought backdoor enabled encryption program. Let's look at something like OpenPGP with a 4 meg key. Overkill, to be certain, but I'm guessing not even the NSA has a system that could decrypt that anytime soon. Check Beryl's post. He's right on the money.
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Beryl
Not as fluffy as Av!
Location: Germany
Gender: Male
Uncle Beryl
| | Re: Canadian Wiretap Laws
<Reply # 12 on 12/10/2004 4:14 PM >
| | | | Posted by BigPoppaMikey
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Those links are about crappy backdoors into commercial products, terribly insecure old algorithms out of use, untrusted, and cracked for years, but contain nothing about present decryption and nothing about real algorithms... RSA 64bit? That's laughable.
[last edit 12/10/2004 4:17 PM by Beryl - edited 2 times]
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BigPoppaMikey
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| | | | | Re: Canadian Wiretap Laws
<Reply # 13 on 12/10/2004 4:26 PM >
| | | | True, except for quantum decryptation. Are you so naive as to believe that if the Government wanted to read you information, they would have problems??? Come on, there is nothing on the market right now that they cannot read.
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MothMan
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Location: The Gem City
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If you didn't bring back any pictures with you then you obviously weren't there!
| | Re: Canadian Wiretap Laws
<Reply # 14 on 12/10/2004 8:42 PM >
| | | | Posted by BigPoppaMikey
True, except for quantum decryptation. Are you so naive as to believe that if the Government wanted to read you information, they would have problems??? Come on, there is nothing on the market right now that they cannot read.
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I'm not so sure about that. As long as we're still off-topic, I've got USD5.00 that says the government can't decrypt a simple text file I've placed on my server. Winner gets 5 bucks if the text file is successfully decrypted. Anyone up for it, or know anybody who is?
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Ibby
Location: Victoria
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Canadian Wiretap Laws
<Reply # 15 on 12/11/2004 3:14 PM >
| | | | Posted by BigPoppaMikey
True, except for quantum decryptation. Are you so naive as to believe that if the Government wanted to read you information, they would have problems??? Come on, there is nothing on the market right now that they cannot read.
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I work for the government (Canada). I handle cryptograms at times. And trust me, like I mentioned above, nobody that I know of has broken a 4 meg OpenPGP key yet. As for quantum decrypting, sure it's the grandest thing. Now if only we could build a computer that could actually do it...
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BigPoppaMikey
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| | | | | Re: Canadian Wiretap Laws
<Reply # 16 on 12/11/2004 5:36 PM >
| | | | Ibby,
IF... (and I know it is a big if), there was a government entity out there somewhere that had broken the 4 meg OpenPGP key, do you think that they would admit it to the public? Of course not, it would shatter every known concept that we currently hold about cryptography. As for it being done, who knows, I am just playing devil's advocate.
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Ibby
Location: Victoria
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Canadian Wiretap Laws
<Reply # 17 on 12/13/2004 5:59 AM >
| | | | Trust me, it hasn't been done. Why do you think the US government keeps such a close eye on people like Phil Zimmerman?
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Beryl
Not as fluffy as Av!
Location: Germany
Gender: Male
Uncle Beryl
| | Re: Canadian Wiretap Laws
<Reply # 18 on 12/13/2004 9:41 AM >
| | | | Posted by Ibby
Trust me, it hasn't been done. Why do you think the US government keeps such a close eye on people like Phil Zimmerman? |
Why do you think a company world-infamous for their virus scanners not detecting malicious code created or used by the US government BOUGHT pgp when that whole thing started? 
Trust PGP 8? You've got to be kidding.
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