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 SteamPunk
  
Location: Sailing the seas of sleaze.
 |  | watchers...paranoia...i think not
< on 8/13/2004 9:44 PM >
|  | | | I already posted something like this...and poof...gone,no reason, no moved thing or any...we here are being wachted...without a doubt, these "forces" , or watchers,seem to be behind "changes" at ue places, soon after it has been discussed here, and elsewhere on the net. I know some of you know what i'm talking about. has this happened to you or anyone else? I have worded this post a little more carefull this time, and maybe it will remain. I may also limit my postings to general UE, and not talk about specific sites I explore, as when i or other people do, these places go through these "changes". this really sucks, but such is the way things are, being a subvert 'n all, ya'll.
I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me, and it'll happen to you, too! |
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Freak
  
Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP.
Gender: Male
Hypocrite
| |  | Re: watchers...paranoia...i think not
<Reply # 1 on 8/14/2004 1:01 AM >
|  | | | It probably got deleted because it was poorly written and hard to understand, there's a vast UER conspiracy against unreadable posts. (I've read the deleted version, and It hurt my brain).
Anyway, what you're talking about has been discussed before, in detail, on several occasions. It's pretty well known that law enforcement, property owners, private security firms, universities, governments, etc. are all watching UER. Several members have had trouble when they revealed too much information about themselves, or admitted doing something stupid and/or dangerous. If you're just discussing UE and exploring in general then you're fine, most officials seem to respect ethical explorers (or at least ignore them). If anyone absolutely has to discuss the "uber leet airport terrorist bomb keyword keyword that I broxored into and looted" then this probably isn't the right forum for it 
Turn off the internet and go play outside.
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Krenta
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
| | Re: watchers...paranoia...i think not
<Reply # 2 on 8/14/2004 8:19 AM >
|  | | | Posted by Freak
It probably got deleted because it was poorly written and hard to understand
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You are correct.
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Joecat
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario
Gender: Male
DRAINS
| | Re: watchers...paranoia...i think not
<Reply # 3 on 8/14/2004 6:37 PM >
|  | | | Now Im unsure if this is gonna rip open the secrecy you have tried to go through here but I'm tyring to figure out what your saying. Are you proposing that these "watchers" monter this board to find out wich sites we use and then possible have them destroyed completely? As in reference to my recent topic?
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Servo
| | Re: watchers...paranoia...i think not
<Reply # 4 on 8/14/2004 6:58 PM >
| | | | Posted by Joecat
Are you proposing that these "watchers" monter this board to find out wich sites we use and then possible have them destroyed completely?
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You know, even with my recent run-in with the law, I don't buy this. I don't think property owners and the government read up on here just to have sites we like demolished simply to spite us...
[last edit 8/14/2004 11:17 PM by Servo - edited 1 times]
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andrea
 
Location: Baltimore MD
Gender: Female
Apparently, I am heinous.
| | Re: watchers...paranoia...i think not
<Reply # 5 on 8/14/2004 8:58 PM >
| | | | LOL I think this is funny, people that own property are motivated to demolish buldingd by money, property values, and liablity. Not UE and destorying the fun of punk ass kids like us....
EDIT: And punk ass adults 
[last edit 8/14/2004 8:58 PM by andrea - edited 1 times]
This isn't boot camp and you are not a ninja. But you sure look like an idiot in that outfit.
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SteamPunk
Location: Sailing the seas of sleaze.
| | Re: watchers...paranoia...i think not
<Reply # 6 on 8/14/2004 9:12 PM >
| | | | Posted by Joecat
Now Im unsure if this is gonna rip open the secrecy you have tried to go through here but I'm tyring to figure out what your saying. Are you proposing that these "watchers" monter this board to find out wich sites we use and then possible have them destroyed completely? As in reference to my recent topic?
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sure...exactly what i'm saying. in other situ the site is discussed, and then ,(through more expl from others, most likely), the site is harder to get into or...the worst happens...boom! gone. thats the way the ue site crumbles>( holy crap....I just fugred how to make a smiley face!!!) There are also liability issues, and someone may be making money off of us somehow...? my typin' sucks...in regard to the first post.
[last edit 8/14/2004 9:16 PM by SteamPunk - edited 1 times]
I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me, and it'll happen to you, too! |
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andrea
Location: Baltimore MD
Gender: Female
Apparently, I am heinous.
| | Re: watchers...paranoia...i think not
<Reply # 7 on 8/14/2004 9:23 PM >
| | | | No. No one is making money off of us. Except maybe Maglight and whatever comapny makes those ninja shoes....
This isn't boot camp and you are not a ninja. But you sure look like an idiot in that outfit.
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SteamPunk
Location: Sailing the seas of sleaze.
| | Re: watchers...paranoia...i think not
<Reply # 8 on 8/14/2004 9:40 PM >
| | | | Posted by andrea
and whatever comapny makes those ninja shoes....
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(black Arrow)..not that i would know...But if an insurance adjuster found info about a site...called the security f-ups,or something along these lines, a big bonus come months end! L-I-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y!!!
I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me, and it'll happen to you, too! |
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Krenta
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
| | Re: watchers...paranoia...i think not
<Reply # 9 on 8/14/2004 11:00 PM >
| | | | Posted by Servo
I don't think property owners and the government read up on here
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In that part, at least, I give you my assurances that you are incorrect.
Posted by perp
sure...exactly what i'm saying. in other situ the site is discussed, and then ,(through more expl from others, most likely), the site is harder to get into or...the worst happens...boom! gone. thats the way the ue site crumbles>
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And that has what, exactly, to do with UE and government bodies? Bonus question: How often do you wash your tinfoil hat?
There are also liability issues, and someone may be making money off of us somehow
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Aside from Mag, Brinkman, Rayovac, and Streamlight, the only people I can see who make or should be making a significant amount of money off of UErs, directly or indirectly, are Glaxo-Smith-Kline and Pfizer.
my typin' sucks...in regard to the first post.
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...and to the last post, inclusive.
if an insurance adjuster found info about a site...called the security f-ups,or something along these lines, a big bonus come months end! L-I-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y!!!
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Doubtful. That's just not how it works. Also, multiple exclamation marks are indicatave of a necrotic cerebellum. You should look into having it removed.
Have Speed Graphic, Will Travel. |
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Servo
| | Re: watchers...paranoia...i think not
<Reply # 10 on 8/14/2004 11:17 PM >
| | | | Posted by Krenta
In that part, at least, I give you my assurances that you are incorrect.
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Way to mangle my statement. You left off the important rest of the sentence that makes it correct. Anyway, "and" was the wrong word; I've changed it to more closely reflect my original intended meaning.
I know full well that various angencies read this site, have seen the effects of it in many cases, and keep it in mind when posting here.
[last edit 8/14/2004 11:18 PM by Servo - edited 2 times]
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Duke
Noble Donor
Location: Awww-shitby, Ontario
Gender: Male
Move it or lose it
| | Re: watchers...paranoia...i think not
<Reply # 11 on 8/15/2004 4:07 PM >
| | | | Posted by Krenta
Aside from Mag, Brinkman, Rayovac, and Streamlight, the only people I can see who make or should be making a significant amount of money off of UErs, directly or indirectly, are Glaxo-Smith-Kline and Pfizer.
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how about 3M, moldex, AOSafety, nikon, canon, and various surplus stores? : P
Contrary to popular belief, death isn't just for dead people. I know I was surprised too! It can happen to anybody! Horses, fiddler crabs, even a potato can die! - Tick
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Krenta
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
| | Re: watchers...paranoia...i think not
<Reply # 12 on 8/15/2004 6:57 PM >
| | | | From the USDOJ's Online Investigative Principles for Federal Law Enforcement Agents:
Just as law enforcement agencies may establish physical-world undercover entities, they also may establish online undercover facilities, such as bulletin board systems, Internet service providers, and World Wide Web sites, which covertly offer information or services to the public online.
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Emphasis mine.
Have Speed Graphic, Will Travel. |
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Servo
| | Re: watchers...paranoia...i think not
<Reply # 13 on 8/15/2004 8:17 PM >
| | | | I'm not sure about the wording there... you could either take that as, they can establish fake web sites and BBSes to give people information that will lead them to commit crimes, or they can have people go onto web sites and BBSes and provide information to attempt to goad people into doing illegal things. In either case, sounds a lot like entrapment.
Or do they mean in an attempt to get people to provide information? Sort of, I'll show you my illegal exploits if you show me yours?
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andrea
Location: Baltimore MD
Gender: Female
Apparently, I am heinous.
| | Re: watchers...paranoia...i think not
<Reply # 14 on 8/16/2004 8:03 AM >
| | | | Posted by Krenta
making a significant amount of money off of UErs, directly or indirectly, are Glaxo-Smith-Kline and Pfizer.
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Why would you say that? I don't see any one on this board who suffers from paranoia, violent mood swings, or other anti-social behavior, oh wait, shit, never mind....
This isn't boot camp and you are not a ninja. But you sure look like an idiot in that outfit.
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radium
Location: dallas, texas
Gender: Male
Drinking coffee: a favorite pastime.
| |  | Re: watchers...paranoia...i think not
<Reply # 15 on 8/16/2004 5:52 PM >
| | | | Posted by perp
(black Arrow)..not that i would know...But if an insurance adjuster found info about a site...called the security f-ups,or something along these lines, a big bonus come months end! L-I-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y!!!
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I'm a bit puzzled by this statement, and wanted to try and expand on it ...
An Insurance Adjuster investigates and settles claims for an insurance company, so their connection to and interest in a site, if any, would arise from a claim they were investigating. They don't look for potential claims situations; their interest arises only after a claim has been filed. So if there were some property damage or bodily injury that resulted in a claim at UE site that was actually insured, then yes, the adjuster could have some interest in the site. Such interest by an adjuster -- and, by extension, by the underwriters and the insurance company itself -- could lead to enhanced (and, to us, unwanted) attention to the property by the owner: fortifications of entrances/egresses, new fences, more security, and in general more interest in the property.
If there was *no* claim ever filed, then it would be unlikely that an insurance company would shift its attention to a UE site. An exception might be if the local insurance agent somehow found out something undesirable about the property from local sources, such as from business associates, gossipers, local papers, etc., and reported it to the insurance company's underwriter. For example, maybe the insurance agent would find out that a property previously classified as occupied was abandoned, or maybe he would find out from gossipers that local UE people had been going into such a site exploring, and he might realize based on that information that there was a potential for property damage to occur.
So ... some key points:
(1) An Insurance Company is most likely to find out about a UE site only if a claim arises. So, avoid damaging the property or its contents in any way, and avoid injury.
(2) Avoid information about a UE site coming to the attention of insurance agents or underwriters ... they're not likely to peruse a UE site for such information, though they do stay tuned-in to other local sources such as gossip, local papers, etc., and if they find out something about a UE site *and* the site is insured then there could be negative repercussions.
(3) Some abandoned property may not be insured at all ... especially considering that underwriters hate to insure abandoned property due to the higher risk of vandalism and property damage. If a property is not insured, insurance companies are out of the picture.
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Krenta
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
| | Re: watchers...paranoia...i think not
<Reply # 16 on 8/16/2004 6:08 PM >
| | | | Posted by Servo
Or do they mean in an attempt to get people to provide information? Sort of, I'll show you my illegal exploits if you show me yours?
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Probably the safest method. You show me yours first.
Hey, that reminds me... when's the last time any independant party was able to verify one of Av's exploits? Could he... naw. 
Have Speed Graphic, Will Travel. |
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j0lt
Location: Kobe, Japan
Gender: Male
| | | Re: watchers...paranoia...i think not
<Reply # 17 on 8/17/2004 10:15 PM >
| | | | Posted by perp
I already posted something like this...and poof...gone,no reason, no moved thing or any...we here are being wachted...without a doubt, these "forces" , or watchers,seem to be behind "changes" at ue places, soon after it has been discussed here, and elsewhere on the net. I know some of you know what i'm talking about. has this happened to you or anyone else? I have worded this post a little more carefull this time, and maybe it will remain. I may also limit my postings to general UE, and not talk about specific sites I explore, as when i or other people do, these places go through these "changes". this really sucks, but such is the way things are, being a subvert 'n all, ya'll.
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Perp, the Matrix has you... *insert ominous music*
j0lt: Larger than life and twice as ugly! |
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DjMalign
Location: Fort Collins, CO
Gender: Male
Sexy, sexy, sexy
| | | Re: watchers...paranoia...i think not
<Reply # 18 on 8/18/2004 7:13 AM >
| | | | Online paranoia is a little too rampant I think.......
I hate all of you |
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andrea
Location: Baltimore MD
Gender: Female
Apparently, I am heinous.
| | Re: watchers...paranoia...i think not
<Reply # 19 on 8/18/2004 9:49 PM >
| | | | Posted by DjMalign
Online paranoia is a little too rampant I think.......
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Its almost become trendy....
This isn't boot camp and you are not a ninja. But you sure look like an idiot in that outfit.
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