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Alarms & Ethics
< on 10/4/2012 11:08 PM >
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Hey UErs do you think there's anything wrong with shutting off an alarm in a building you want to explore?

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Re: Alarms & Ethics
<Reply # 1 on 10/4/2012 11:55 PM >
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That actually might be a good way to get the police and or other services called to that building to inspect why the alarm was shut off. But I suppose it would all depend on how you are shutting it off and from where.

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Re: Alarms & Ethics
<Reply # 2 on 10/5/2012 12:43 AM >
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I'm aware of what could happen this is just a question of ethics
For example a school I went in a year or ago had an alarm inside going off
.I snuck inside. Shut it off. Waited around for hours and nobody came. Came back many tomes. Nobody came. Nobody turned the alarm back on

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Re: Alarms & Ethics
<Reply # 3 on 10/5/2012 1:24 AM >
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If the building is open enough and easy enough to get into that you can sneak past the alarm and turn it off, or if it's such a shitty alarm that you can walk around it without triggering it, they really can't care that much about the place, eh?

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Re: Alarms & Ethics
<Reply # 4 on 10/5/2012 1:37 AM >
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Posted by philbegas
I'm aware of what could happen this is just a question of ethics
For example a school I went in a year or ago had an alarm inside going off
.I snuck inside. Shut it off. Waited around for hours and nobody came. Came back many tomes. Nobody came. Nobody turned the alarm back on


Probably just to scare people away. If it were to send a signal to someone like a security company, it would be a silent alarm, wouldn't it?

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Re: Alarms & Ethics
<Reply # 5 on 10/5/2012 8:14 AM >
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If you can shut it off or cut it, go for it. Hell I've even ripped sensors off the wall just to make sure it wouldn't go off.
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Re: Alarms & Ethics
<Reply # 6 on 10/5/2012 5:59 PM >
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Posted by Rinzler
If you can shut it off or cut it, go for it. Hell I've even ripped sensors off the wall just to make sure it wouldn't go off.


Lame. Not sure if troll or being facetious.

Best not to set the alarm off often. Depends on the alarm though. I got into the abandoned City Hall and eventually set off the motion sensor in the lobby. We all booked it out of there, nearly running into a Sheriff. I figure if we hit it up and set it off too much, they'll get really determined and seal it up a lot better. Or they might be a little faster and more diligent on responding next time.

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Re: Alarms & Ethics
<Reply # 7 on 10/5/2012 8:32 PM >
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Lame. Not sure if troll or being facetious.





I dont see how thats lame.

Or i was being serious. If the sensors not there it has no chance of going off/going off again.
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Re: Alarms & Ethics
<Reply # 8 on 10/5/2012 8:39 PM >
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Posted by Rinzler



I dont see how thats lame.

Or i was being serious. If the sensors not there it has no chance of going off/going off again.



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Re: Alarms & Ethics
<Reply # 9 on 10/5/2012 8:49 PM >
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Re: Alarms & Ethics
<Reply # 10 on 10/5/2012 9:26 PM >
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Posted by Steed


Probably just to scare people away. If it were to send a signal to someone like a security company, it would be a silent alarm, wouldn't it?


I dunno! I don't know a whole lot about alarms, I never used to run into them while urbexing, but now I'm starting to as I'm doing more urban stuff so I gotta learn.

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Re: Alarms & Ethics
<Reply # 11 on 10/6/2012 12:34 AM >
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Posted by Steed


Probably just to scare people away. If it were to send a signal to someone like a security company, it would be a silent alarm, wouldn't it?




No it can be both. Ive set off loud alarms that went directly to the police. Alarm went off, police showed up in minutes.
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Re: Alarms & Ethics
<Reply # 12 on 10/7/2012 3:01 PM >
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I think it's wrong to alarm them. I've wasted a handful of unsuccessful police hours.

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Re: Alarms & Ethics
<Reply # 13 on 10/9/2012 6:45 AM >
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Go ahead, as long as you have a quick escape route and are expecting someone to show up when you do it. I always believe you should test things out whenever possible to get an idea of what will happen in a worst case scenario.

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Re: Alarms & Ethics
<Reply # 14 on 10/9/2012 3:59 PM >
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Posted by Rinzler



I dont see how thats lame.

Or i was being serious. If the sensors not there it has no chance of going off/going off again.


1. Removing sensors and sounders, cutting wires, etc falls into destruction of private property and, if caught, will mean far more than being thrown out or a misdemeanor trespass. Not a good idea.

2. Cutting alarm wires on a properly installed, actively monitored alarm will cause an instant trouble alarm. Alarm circuit loops (zones) are not simply an open/closed circuit, but also have a set resistance value. Cutting or shorting a wire will change the resistance value and cause an alarm. A monitoring station will get this instantly.

3. If you chop up the alarm system, whoever is caring for the site (obviously somebody cares as they're alarming it) will get more determined to seal it up, ruining it for everybody.

Don't give bad advice to noobs, especially if it's on a subject you know little about. I used to install alarm systems. I know a ton about them.

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Re: Alarms & Ethics
<Reply # 15 on 10/10/2012 12:42 AM >
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Posted by philbegas
Hey UErs do you think there's anything wrong with shutting off an alarm in a building you want to explore?


I don't, but the police sure do.

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Re: Alarms & Ethics
<Reply # 16 on 11/25/2012 4:14 PM >
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I think it depends on how you do it;

Flipping a switch on your way in and out doesn't seem like an issue.

Filling the alarm horn with spray foam, using a 3g jammer, covering strobe lights with roof repair spray and cutting the phone line is definitely unethical.

Unless you put it all back when you're done.
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Re: Alarms & Ethics
<Reply # 17 on 11/29/2012 4:16 AM >
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I think that the destruction is unethical. Exploring is one thing, but cutting wires is shitty for who ever owns the place. Also mentioned earlier, it most likely will draw attention, unless it is inactive. In that case, why even bother with it?

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Re: Alarms & Ethics
<Reply # 18 on 12/7/2012 1:22 AM >
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It is destruction of private property. If the system is active, someone is being billed for the services. Odds are someone paying for a remote monitoring service would be ready and willing to press charges. Most services will acknowledge a "disruption" and will notify a representative to see if the "disruption" is authorized...ie maintainance. An unauthorized disruption would result in police or security responce.

There is just no good reason to deactivate an alarm. It takes away any chance of getting "just a warning". Repeated attempts will only tighten security measures and then no one can explore.

Active alarms and security measures are one reason I stray away from live buildings.

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Re: Alarms & Ethics
<Reply # 19 on 12/18/2012 6:03 PM >
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personally, i don't touch anything - i trespassing is enough of a charge if you get caught, i don't want to add destruction of property to the list.

that being said, when people tell me they have taken out alarm systems, etc...i will go check the place out.

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