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UER Forum > Archived UE Photo Critiques > Editing with CMYK - Input Please (Viewed 911 times)
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Editing with CMYK - Input Please
< on 9/26/2012 8:47 PM >
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Hey Everyone,

I've not been utilizing the critique forum enough. The photo attached is from an explore this past weekend, I've been toying with different methods of editing from HDR to adding hard light, color burning/dodging etc.

I opened the pic below in PS and converted to CMYK, then I started layering and playing with levels. It's my first attempt at playing with CMYK and would like to get your thoughts.

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Re: Editing with CMYK - Input Please
<Reply # 1 on 9/26/2012 10:03 PM >
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why would you edit in cmyk when you are putting it on the web which is rgb? besides, why edit a photo in cmyk at all? You would be better suited to working in LAB color space if you insist of getting off the beaten path. At least then your color and luminosity channels are handled separately. CMYK isnt buying you anything. PS the original looks better than the edited version

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Re: Editing with CMYK - Input Please
<Reply # 2 on 9/26/2012 11:07 PM >
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I agree with the editing in CMYK comment. There is not really any need for that.

As for the image, there is not much dynamic range in the original scene so the need for HDR wasn't really there. A little increase contrast curve, level adjustment probably would have done wonders.

The edited version has too much contrast & saturation IMO.

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Re: Editing with CMYK - Input Please
<Reply # 3 on 9/27/2012 1:00 PM >
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DC - I see what you did there...haha

Thanks guys, when I put the pics side by side I also thought it was way too much...but I'm trying to find my balance between too much and too plain. I personally like the look of over processed photos with dramatic colours and details......but I also know that pics like that won't get me very far in my ultimate goals with this hobby.


I am learning that less is more...even though my personal taste feels otherwise!

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Re: Editing with CMYK - Input Please
<Reply # 4 on 9/27/2012 1:15 PM >
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Big mistake man! Who cares what dipshits (no offence to anyone) on the internet think. If you just get negative feedback in a certain place, just don't post there. Do to your pictures what you want done to them. You will always keep learning as you go and may find your taste changes after time or it may not but either way, you should edit your pictures how you want.

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Re: Editing with CMYK - Input Please
<Reply # 5 on 9/27/2012 2:18 PM >
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Personally I'm not fond of the level of contrast and saturation in the edited version. I used to super boost both of those when I was first shooting. I still do with contrast when a picture is asking for it, but I actually don't touch saturation anymore.

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He's right, ya know. You took the shot how you wanted it, right? Edit it the way you want. It's your shot...anyone who doesn't like it or wants you to do it differently can fuck an object. Let them take it.

However, if you want exposure...more opportunity...etc...the critiques can be a good tool. But there's plenty of stuff I've totally stonewalled. Even advice being given to me every single time.

"Knock off the dutch angles" they say. "Did you trip?" "Are you high?" I still shoot that way, it's how I shoot. You don't like it, drive there...climb into the window...and set up the shot how you want.

I just use the words of others to figure out the things I didn't know I wanted to do. Suggestions are opinions and you know what they say about those.

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Re: Editing with CMYK - Input Please
<Reply # 6 on 9/27/2012 3:46 PM >
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Thanks guys, you're right - when you have internet know it all's spewing at you from all angles it's tough to know which direction to go in. I definitely use the critiques to learn and eventually I'll master my own style!

I appreciate the 3 people out of 55 views who contributed to this post

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Re: Editing with CMYK - Input Please
<Reply # 7 on 9/27/2012 4:26 PM >
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Your cameras pixels are RGB, your (and everyone elses) monitor is RGB. Why work in a colorspace that you can't see the results of what your doing? you're basically putting on tinted sunglasses and then trying to guesstimate what it's going to look like without them.

You're much better off doing all your editing in RGB and then converting to CMYK after the fact - the converters use mathematical formulas to as close as possible match the perceptive color from input to output.

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Re: Editing with CMYK - Input Please
<Reply # 8 on 9/27/2012 4:33 PM >
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Posted by rockandrollfreak
I also know that pics like that won't get me very far in my ultimate goals with this hobby.

What are your ultimate goals with this hobby?

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Re: Editing with CMYK - Input Please
<Reply # 9 on 9/27/2012 4:34 PM >
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Posted by broaddaylight
why would you edit in cmyk when you are putting it on the web which is rgb? besides, why edit a photo in cmyk at all? You would be better suited to working in LAB color space if you insist of getting off the beaten path. At least then your color and luminosity channels are handled separately. CMYK isnt buying you anything. PS the original looks better than the edited version


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Re: Editing with CMYK - Input Please
<Reply # 10 on 9/27/2012 5:32 PM >
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Posted by arntzville

What are your ultimate goals with this hobby?


Eventually, once I have come to know more of photography and editing I would like to publish in various forms of print, hence wanting to work in CMYK.

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Re: Editing with CMYK - Input Please
<Reply # 11 on 9/27/2012 7:29 PM >
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Posted by Derelict Compositions
Big mistake man! Who cares what dipshits (no offence to anyone) on the internet think. If you just get negative feedback in a certain place, just don't post there. Do to your pictures what you want done to them. You will always keep learning as you go and may find your taste changes after time or it may not but either way, you should edit your pictures how you want.


He came here and asked for advice. Again, its your choice, edit how ever you prefer. CMYK will buy you nothing. again, your camera shoots rgb, your monitor displays rgb, and 99% of the world would edit in rgb. CMYK is the color separation for printing. You will get bizarre color shifts since their is an interpolation that occurs when the colors are broken up in cmyk environment and viewed on an rgb device. there is no need to edit in that when you are viewing and soft proofing on an rgb monitor. If the time comes where you have a photo that goes to print or press, you still will send an rgb file. The rgb to cmyk conversion gets handled on the printing side by the rip that will run the machine. I handle my own workflow from beginning to end, from shooting to retouch to print. I edit in an RGB color space, finish as an RGB file, and that is what I send to my printer, be it my lab that I use, my clients going to press, or my own canon large format 12 color printer in my studio

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Re: Editing with CMYK - Input Please
<Reply # 12 on 9/27/2012 7:45 PM >
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Posted by broaddaylight


Dude, I said "I agree with the editing in CMYK comment. There is not really any need for that."

"Dipshits" is not referring to you... chill out.

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Re: Editing with CMYK - Input Please
<Reply # 13 on 9/29/2012 2:38 AM >
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My bad!



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Re: Editing with CMYK - Input Please
<Reply # 14 on 9/29/2012 8:06 AM >
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Agreed with most other guys on here. CMYK is a process used for printing presses. It's not something that you should really have to worry about. You camera captures in RGB, your screen is RGB, and pro labs will print your photos in RGB as well. Only if your image is destined for a magazine would you need to conceder CMKY, and even then, unless you're a professional and have a calibrated screen and do test prints, then it would probably still be advisable to edit in RGB.

As for your personal colour corrections and enhancements, I like the processing you did on the image. The saturation makes the image bold. My advice is not to show the original to anyone. A good processing job should not be compared to the unprocessed version, but judged on it's own merit. Keep shooting, keep processing and you won't go backwards. Keep it up man.

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Re: Editing with CMYK - Input Please
<Reply # 15 on 9/30/2012 11:20 AM >
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I think the world has let you know about CMYK so I am not going to go into it.

I like the original but I can see where you're coming from on the "you like the over-saturated post processed look" on things. In that regard some of my locations and sets I make drab because it suits there, whereas places like my last shoot at night with cool lights everywhere made me want to go more saturated, so I don't believe someone has one style for everything, but they let their shots and mood and hell, even the music they are listening to when they process guide their decisions.

If you don't feel like doing HDR and feel like doing something on non-RGB for experimentation or otherwise then do what someone else referenced above and jump into LAB.

I have a bunch of lab actions that I made to help with certain effects which honestly I don't touch much anymore, but if you want to play then do it, if you want a starting point then take a look at this tutorial:

http://www.flickr....tos/jpn/2229430537

He goes through the process in the comments there with pics and guides. Take what he says and do it to particular channels or something else and you might come out with images that pop, but don't look like you just cranked the saturation bar.

I don't have an urbex example of using LAB but here:



Hope that helps and feel free to play and post, nobody hates you for doing something they wouldn't, they just give an honest opinion about how they would have done it.

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Re: Editing with CMYK - Input Please
<Reply # 16 on 10/2/2012 1:12 PM >
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Thanks guys, all your feedback is much appreciated!

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