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 Corallis
 
 |  | Different Use of Radios Questions
< on 6/16/2004 12:37 AM >
|  | | | I was wondering if someone here could maybe confirm if this would be possible or not.
Occasionally while UEing I run into trouble with security. I have never been caught anywhere I shouldnt be, but I really like to try everything I can to make sure that I never am.
Sometimes there will be multiple security guards, who use radios to communicate. Would it be possible to use either a short wave radio, or some type of scanner, to listen in on their conversations over the radios? Imagine how much easier it would be if you heard one of them say "I think I just saw a flashlight out behind that building, I think Im going to check it out". Now instead of continuing to use your flashlight, you shut it off and hide/run. It would make your life a whole lot easier, and the security guards, because then he wouldnt find anything and could just go back to work.
Does anyone know how one might be able to pull this off, and if so, how much it would cost? Im really considering doing something like this if its possible.
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Krenta
 
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
| | Re: Different Use of Radios Questions
<Reply # 1 on 6/16/2004 12:54 AM >
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You can listen to most security (and police) radio frequencies with a decent scanner (not a shortwave radio - security and LE haven't used HF on a regular basis since the mid-1930's).
I don't think your idea is a great one, because I'm guessing the presence of a scanner is going to annoy any security guards you do run into. Of course, it's kind of like the camo thing - if you've got it, and get caught, you look more suspicious, but the whole point is not to get caught, right? 
In some states (Minnesota is one of them), it's a criminal offense to commit any other offense while in posession of a radio capable of receiving local police frequencies. You might want to consider that, because it'd be embarassing to have a $25 trespassing ticket and a $500 misdemeanor fine for having the scanner...
Just my 0.03 CAD.
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Corallis
| | Re: Different Use of Radios Questions
<Reply # 2 on 6/16/2004 1:21 AM >
| | | | I already knew that it would be much worse to get caught with a scanner than without one, but if I was actually able to listen into their radios, I imagine it would be nearly impossible to get caught. I have recently been UEing in an ENORMOUS chain of buildings all interconnected with underground tunnels (Ive been in there 10 hours already and havent seen nearly a quarter of it). This place is huge, AND its in the middle of the woods. You can only get in in 1 single area, and you can exit from almost any point in the building (Exits open from the inside, but not the outside). That already makes it very hard to get caught, but having a radio would just make it impossible. When I go UEing I always bring navy blue BDUs (not for camo but for safety.. they are very thick but still manueverable), a random shirt, and a backpack, so I already look suspicious enough. A scanner in my backpack with an earpiece sticking out wouldnt look much more suspicious, they might not even notice it if they just saw me. I think it would be worth it for certain places, but for others it might be a better idea to leave it at home.
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Servo
| | Re: Different Use of Radios Questions
<Reply # 3 on 6/16/2004 1:26 AM >
|  | | | Well, during OPEX, someone had a radio tuned to the UofT police... I think it was Exka? That turned out to be very useful as we all knew to get out before the poh-leez showed up, and that our description included white shirts. So everyone changed.
Anyway, as far as what radio to get, I'll default to those who know more about such things than I. (including one certain fellow who I PMed aboutu it who hasn't answered me back yet... ahem )
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Conundrum
 
Criticón
Location: GTA
Gender: Male
Now Entering The Bling Chamber
| | Re: Different Use of Radios Questions
<Reply # 4 on 6/16/2004 2:53 AM >
| | | | I think Nzero may have had his radio tuned in to UofT for a while, but when the reports came across about the discription, it was my radio everyone seemed to huddle around, It came in quite handy. There are Pros and Cons to having it and the setup you use, most of the guys I have been with have speaker mics so if you are using it in the field, anyone can hear, but they are good for communication where silence is not a key, but you can get more soficticated setups with Throat Mics, and the Secret Service ear pieces, I myself like the radio Idea because you always know whats going on, whether you are listning to security, random channels, or a channel your fellow explorers are on. On top of that if you are going to get one, Don't get a scanner to bring to the field, I have, and its alot to lug around, instead just bring a small handheld radio, programmed with the frequencies you are gona need (planning ahead helps), and then its less likely they will get pissed if you are caught... just make sure to turn it off their frequency. You can usualy find the frequency of the security location or company by doing a simple google search. Sometimes you may have to look deeper for it though, and also do scoutting missions to test the frequencies, to see which is the right one..
Conundrum
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SnakeEyes
Gender: Male
| | Re: Different Use of Radios Questions
<Reply # 5 on 6/16/2004 4:17 AM >
| | | | Are there any kind of standard freq.'s that police/security use?
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Conundrum
Criticón
Location: GTA
Gender: Male
Now Entering The Bling Chamber
| | Re: Different Use of Radios Questions
<Reply # 6 on 6/16/2004 3:49 PM >
| | | | Posted by SnakeEyes
Are there any kind of standard freq.'s that police/security use?
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From what I have learned from my own research, and the radio wizards here is that there is no standard frequency that they use, there is also no standard equipment you can get to listen to them all. I will leave it up to the experts to explain more.
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Mark
 
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Different Use of Radios Questions
<Reply # 7 on 6/16/2004 4:12 PM >
| | | | Conundrum is absolutely right that there is no one frequancy. Infact I am spending several hundread on radios so I can listen to everyone from four cities. However thats way more money then you need to spend. Its all about your city and all you need is a scanner with a ear piece. You can PM myself and I can help you out on specifics, and if I cant I'll ask the radio god/geeks for information.
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Viper
Location: Vancouver, BC Canada
Gender: Male
Trespassing On!
| |  | Re: Different Use of Radios Questions
<Reply # 8 on 6/16/2004 8:36 PM >
|  | | | Of course a scanner is useless if a police department uses new digital encrypted radios. Plus most security guards do not use their radios much, so weeding through all the scanning "noise" from a scanner might not be able to pick up security conversations.
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Different Use of Radios Questions
<Reply # 9 on 6/17/2004 3:13 AM >
| | | | Not true exactly. You can get the encryption if you try hard enough. Most places dont use encryption. As I have learned there are ways around everything.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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SnakeEyes
Gender: Male
| | Re: Different Use of Radios Questions
<Reply # 10 on 6/17/2004 7:04 AM >
| | | | My local PD uses digital, you say there is way around it... besides mugging a cop and stealing his radio (which I'm not about to do), I don't see any way to do it...
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Viper
Location: Vancouver, BC Canada
Gender: Male
Trespassing On!
| | | Re: Different Use of Radios Questions
<Reply # 11 on 6/17/2004 7:18 AM >
| | | | There are encryption decoder scanners that news agencies, for example, use to monitor emergency services, but you should be prepared to shell out some $$.
Posted by SnakeEyes
stealing his radio |
Our city's police radios can be remotely locked-out if one gets stolen or lost.
Earth, the world's most dangerous planet!
"The will to do, the soul to dare." -Sir Walter Scott |
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Different Use of Radios Questions
<Reply # 12 on 6/17/2004 3:59 PM >
| | | | I wont name names but someone socially enginered the encryption code and then hacked the code so it stayed permente. I also might add that I probably can do the same. Its not that difficult and the new decrypting scanners work well. There are always ways around everyrthing
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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latenitepilgrim
Location: Normal,Il
Gender: Male
Eat,drink, and be merry for tomorrow we die
| |  | | Re: Different Use of Radios Questions
<Reply # 13 on 7/6/2004 4:30 PM >
| | | | Viper is right most new services have scanners to monitor the waves for breaking stories. If you go in and say you want to write stories as a stringer or do some freelance photography and say your new to the feild or get buddy buddy with some of the editors they will probably in on some secrets. Or (this is what my buddy did but only for his own enjoyment)he got to know a few cops and firemen as a freelance writer. it came in handy when it came to things like speeding tickets and whatnot.
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Gunslinger
Location: The Wasteland "Peel Region"
Gender: Male
| | Re: Different Use of Radios Questions
<Reply # 14 on 7/13/2004 4:36 AM >
| | | | In toronto the cops run on a very encrypted digital trunk and a very specific frequency band, unfoutunately operating on this band is very illegal.
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Different Use of Radios Questions
<Reply # 15 on 7/13/2004 2:22 PM >
| | | | Operating on a band that is regulated has always been illegal. Listening to it is another thing. There are scanners out there that break motorola encryption.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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Conundrum
Criticón
Location: GTA
Gender: Male
Now Entering The Bling Chamber
| | Re: Different Use of Radios Questions
<Reply # 16 on 7/13/2004 7:03 PM >
| | | | Posted by Mark
Operating on a band that is regulated has always been illegal. Listening to it is another thing. There are scanners out there that break motorola encryption.
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or you just go straight to the source and get a motorola radio 
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Different Use of Radios Questions
<Reply # 17 on 7/13/2004 9:05 PM >
| | | | true but getting the encryption key could be very difficult. I know of only two people at the moment who have socially enginered encryption keys.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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Viper
Location: Vancouver, BC Canada
Gender: Male
Trespassing On!
| | | Re: Different Use of Radios Questions
<Reply # 18 on 7/13/2004 9:33 PM >
| | | | Not to mention that they could be able to remotely "lock out" any radio they have.
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Gunslinger
Location: The Wasteland "Peel Region"
Gender: Male
| | Re: Different Use of Radios Questions
<Reply # 19 on 7/13/2004 10:40 PM >
| | | | Actually even listing on the frequnecy band is grounds for a fine
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