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post by billgeorge

Re: Database
<Reply # 20 on 3/15/2014 8:48 PM >

Posted by GLP.

you should read this. http://www.scribd....oundation-Concepts

Assuming every full member abides by these principles (which I more or less assumed we all do), where's the harm in sharing locations privately?

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post by RescueMe1060

Re: Database
<Reply # 21 on 3/16/2014 6:42 PM >

I enjoy adding places, photos, threads and stories to the Database. If its a location that I've found and I am the first person there in a long time I have no problem adding it to the DB and making it Full Member only. I prefer making a database entry rather than posting new threads. Threads get lost or archived or people on here argue and bicker and get the thread locked. Database is a better option. If some day you make it to Full Member you'll see that it has much more to offer than you think.

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post by billgeorge

Re: Database
<Reply # 22 on 3/18/2014 4:21 AM >

Posted by RescueMe1060
If some day you make it to Full Member you'll see that it has much more to offer than you think.

Good. Salivating again.

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post by billgeorge

Re: Database
<Reply # 23 on 4/2/2014 11:56 PM >

This discussion is germane (and probably pops up from time to time on this site):

http://www.uer.ca/...d=1&threadid=99129

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post by Radical Fred

Re: Database
<Reply # 24 on 4/3/2014 5:49 AM >

The less people that know about locations the better.

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post by Chi-Ex

Re: Database
<Reply # 25 on 6/10/2014 5:05 PM >

Posted by billgeorge

This thread makes me sad.

As a noob, I wistfully assumed that a cornucopia of treasures awaited me in the full-members-only threads and locations database.

It seemed to make sense: You prove yourself to be not a complete schmuck by posting some photos and maybe meeting some other explorers in your area.

But if people don't trust other full members with location information, the question isn't, "Do we even need a database?," it's: "Do we even need UER?"

Why come here at all if not to share?

so let me get this straight; there is more stuff in the DB then the basic stuff i can see? It seemed to me that nobody really cares about sharing locations or updating the DB...

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post by relik

Re: Database
<Reply # 26 on 6/10/2014 10:31 PM >

Posted by Chi-Ex

so let me get this straight; there is more stuff in the DB then the basic stuff i can see? It seemed to me that nobody really cares about sharing locations or updating the DB...

There are locations that are only "Full Member" viewable. Sometimes they're worthwhile. Most times, they are not.
What you can see currently are the locations that have either been torn down, open to the public or that no one actually cares about (marked viewable by all.)
Most (or smart) people don't add important locations, as sometimes even arsons/vandals/scrappers/etc. slip through and somehow get granted "Full Member" access/status.

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post by RescueMe1060

Re: Database
<Reply # 27 on 6/10/2014 11:13 PM >

correct me if i'm wrong but Full Member locations are also protected from search engines both by keyword and by photo search.

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post by relik

Re: Database
<Reply # 28 on 6/11/2014 1:59 AM >

Posted by RescueMe1060
correct me if i'm wrong but Full Member locations are also protected from search engines both by keyword and by photo search.

I would think so. That would make sense..

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post by Ganesha

Former Moderator

Re: Database
<Reply # 29 on 12/6/2014 12:29 AM >

See the "UER LDB FAQ" thread http://www.uer.ca/...urrpage=1&pp#post0 for the most current version of this post.

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I love to read forum posts about explores; they’re hugely entertaining and informative. But it’s like reading an adventure magazine; the posts almost never seem to be about places where I can or want to go.

The UE database is the better vehicle for finding sites and learning about them. It’s organized (more so than forum posts anyhow). And its contents don’t get archived; so people can search everything that’s out there. This is where you can do the UE community the most service, if you’re so inclined.

Much has been said here about what locations to post in the database, why, and whether to post them at all; but not a lot of how. I love to write documentation. So here’s how I do it. I’ll just touch on a few important policies here; see other posts for complete policy information. Please correct or improve these instructions. Thank you!

First of all, you have to be a full member to create a database location. If you overlooked the instructions for becoming a full member, please see the Rookie Forum, or follow this link, http://www.uer.ca/...urrpage=1&pp#post0

Second of all, if you’re thinking about both posting in a forum about your explore and creating a database location about it, create the database location first. This way, you can write your forum post from inside the database, and it will be retrievable from there. If you do the forum post first, then the database location as an afterthought, you can’t retroactively link the post to the location. (Hello, developers!) It’s too soon to actually tell you how to write a post from a location; stick with me, we’ll get there.

In the left sidebar, click UE DB. (DB Map and My DB do nothing, as far as I can tell.)

Navigate down the hierarchical lists to your location's country and state/province (could be different from where you live). Read “Available Locations” for towns which are close to your location. If your location is in the database already, stop. Creating another location that’s identical to an existing one would lead to confusion; instead, contribute to the existing location you’ve found.

If your location doesn’t already exist, scroll down to the Tasks section. Click CREATE A NEW LOCATION.

1.

Read “Location Database Policies.” To proceed, enter a name for your location. If the location is sensitive and its real name seems like too much information, give it a generic name. Click CREATE NOW. At this point, your location gets created; but only you can see it.

2.

Now you get a page with a series of areas I’ll call “Overview” from which you can go to more detailed pages and do stuff; the top left area is labelled “Main Information.” Notice the top right area, “Status;” it shows who can see the location, and lists tasks required to make the location visible to others. There are three levels of access;

1. You only. Every new location defaults to this level.
2. Full members of UER only
3. All registered members of UER, including basic members (only to be used for locations that are public or demolished)

To qualify your location to be viewable by others, you must create at least the “Main information” and “Main picture” sections.

Enter (or update) your main information now, by clicking EDIT INFORMATION.

3.

The field names and descriptions make what to enter pretty obvious; I suggest looking at all of them before you start typing in stuff, to avoid cramming information into one field that should really be in another. Some, like “History,” may need a little research; but there doesn’t seem to be a limit for how long you can have the location open, so I don’t think you need to have all your research, web links, etc. lined up before you charge ahead. (But that level of preparation would probably improve the quality of the location.)

Generally, fields aren’t required. My understanding of current geolocation policies:

* You may choose to omit the address if you want to vet new explorers or at least slow them down.
* You need to at least enter the real name of the city/town the site is in or near. If the site is too sensitive for that information to be published, don’t create a location for it.
* The same advice applies to the coordinates map that follows. Set “Co-ordinate accuracy” accordingly.

When you’re done typing (and after any update you make later on), scroll to the bottom of the page and click UPDATE LOCATION. Now you’re back at the overview.

4.

Check “Status” again; the list of tasks to make the location viewable to others should now be shorter.

The next thing to do is to create a main picture. OSX users, your picture needs to be a file; you can’t upload to UER from iPhoto. Click MAIN PICTURE.

You see the Main Picture page. Click BROWSE to navigate to your picture file on your computer. When you’ve got it, click UPLOAD.

5.

UER shows you messages about the progress of the upload. When it’s done, click RETURN TO LOCATION EDIT. Now you’re back at the overview.

6.

To update your location later (or to update any other location), view it. In the overview, find the “Tasks” area on the right side and click VIEW LOCATION. Or just click UE DB in the left sidebar and navigate to the location. On the right side near the bottom of the view page, find the “Contribute” area. Click EDIT THIS LOCATION.

(Update) One reason why you might update your location is if a moderator has contacted you and asked you to provide more information. For example, Mike Dijital told me that my Pacific Sheet Metal location was only granted provisional 3-month availability because the moderators like to see at least one photo gallery for the location. (I'll post a separate tutorial about photo galleries to this thread.)

7.

Check “Status” again. You should see “This location is ready to be made available.” You can do this now, or create or update more sections of your location. You can also create or update more sections after you’ve made your location available.

When you click MAKE AVAILABLE in “Status” your location advances to Level 2 access; all full members can see and update it. Yes that’s part of the sharing; you don’t own the location you created, altho your screen name will always remain as its creator. Also, only you can change the main picture.

8.

Now the button in “Status” changes to MAKE FULLY PUBLIC. If you click it, the location advances to Level 3 Access; any registered UER member, including basic members, can see it. This level is for locations that are public or demolished.

9.

To create a new forum thread about this database location that’s linked to the location, view the location. Scroll to the bottom of the view page. In area “Forum threads about this location” click NEW THREAD.

10.

Please correct or improve these instructions. Thank you!

[last edit 1/23/2015 7:11 PM by Ganesha - edited 3 times]

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post by Ganesha

Former Moderator

Re: Database
<Reply # 30 on 12/7/2014 6:20 AM >

See the sticky thread "UER LDB FAQ" http://www.uer.ca/...urrpage=1&pp#post0 for the most current version of this post.

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A location can have galleries (the moderators like it to have at least one). Anybody who can see a location can create a gallery for it.

There are two ways to get started. One is to view the location, scroll down and watch for "Photo galleries" on the left side and click ADD MY OWN PICTURES. Or, while editing the location, scroll the overview page down and find the gallery area on the left side; click ADD A NEW GALLERY.

Either way, you go to a gallery overview page. It works like the location overview page; you can work in any area, in any order. Entering "Basic gallery info" first seems sensible. Other good buttons are ADD NEW PICTURES and EDIT PICTURES.

If you're ADDing, you go to this upload navigator. It's different and kludgier than the one the forums use. You need to navigate on your computer to each individual picture, even if they're all in the same folder. Although a gallery can hold 25 pictures, you can only upload 10 at a time. When you've got them set up, click UPLOAD at the bottom of the display.

You see messages reporting the status of the upload. When it's done, use the buttons at the bottom to either navigate to more pictures or move on to Step 2, the edit page.

The editor lets you massage the gallery in various ways. The middle area's buttons act on the pictures whose thumbnails you check as "Selected" in the bottom area.

Please correct or improve these instructions; thanks!

[last edit 1/23/2015 7:12 PM by Ganesha - edited 2 times]

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post by Crashplan

Re: Database
<Reply # 31 on 12/7/2014 7:32 AM >

Thank you for the information about the database. Even though I don't currently have access to it, I was curious about how it works and who can contribute what.

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post by Ganesha

Former Moderator

Re: Database
<Reply # 32 on 12/7/2014 9:47 PM >

As a basic member, you do have access to database locations that are classified as public. While many of these "public" locations are demolished, a few still exist, depending on the region you live in, and may interest you. It may sound like sour grapes, but when I became a full member I discovered that there was little more in the database in Washington that I could now see; and that many locations are outdated. I hope to improve that situation!

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post by Steed

Re: Database
<Reply # 33 on 12/8/2014 12:07 AM >

I actually just posted a revised FAQ for the LDB a few days earlier than this. It might be possible to include your information over there instead of in this thread.

http://www.uer.ca/...=1&threadid=117214

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post by Mike Dijital

UEDB Moderator

Re: Database
<Reply # 34 on 12/8/2014 2:24 AM >

Also though it wasn't formally announced, I am the UEDB Moderator, so any issues or questions can be PM's directly to me, and in " most " cases I can get back to you within 12 to 24 hours and help you solve whatever issue, or question you may have

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post by RescueMe1060

Re: Database
<Reply # 35 on 12/8/2014 3:10 AM >

Posted by Steed
I actually just posted a revised FAQ for the LDB a few days earlier than this. It might be possible to include your information over there instead of in this thread.

http://www.uer.ca/...=1&threadid=117214

what exactly is different and updated in that thread?

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post by Steed

Re: Database
<Reply # 36 on 12/8/2014 3:38 AM >

Posted by RescueMe1060

what exactly is different and updated in that thread?

Not a huge amount. Some additional things addressing some violations of UER rules lately, and a few things that Mike mentioned. Also, it wasn't really working having the FAQ in this thread not be the first post.

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post by Ganesha

Former Moderator

Re: Database
<Reply # 37 on 12/8/2014 5:21 AM >

I see now that there are two tutorial threads about the database. That situation is begging to be resolved. And I salute any moderator who will do it. If I can help, I'd be glad to.

I'd like to offer this suggestion. I see three terms being used to refer to the same thing:

UE DB. (Sidebar)
UER LDB. (sticky thread)
Database. (Existing thread I posted in)

The fewer terms we use, the less confusion. 8)

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post by Steed

Re: Database
<Reply # 38 on 12/8/2014 5:30 AM >

Posted by Ganesha

I see now that there are two tutorial threads about the database. That situation is begging to be resolved. And I salute any moderator who will do it. If I can help, I'd be glad to.

I'd like to offer this suggestion. I see three terms being used to refer to the same thing:

UE DB. (Sidebar)
UER LDB. (sticky thread)
Database. (Existing thread I posted in)

The fewer terms we use, the less confusion. 8)

Interesting point. I prefer to use the term LDB at all times.

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post by RescueMe1060

Re: Database
<Reply # 39 on 12/8/2014 6:00 AM >

I call it the DB only b/c that is what the tab on the left side of our screen says.

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