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post by Steed   |  | 
Well I might be in trouble
< on 9/27/2023 6:18 PM >

I entered a site today where I had to find a new exit, and the one I found was a doorway that was secured only by a bit of rope. I unknotted it and entered, but after I realised that I couldn't possibly retie the knot.

Seems like a pretty good security system, if the last guy to leave for the weekend ties his special knot, and then realises on returning that it's been untied and retied.

I'm not convinced this knot will be enough to get me, and after that they'd have to look for more evidence, such as my fingerprints, which would take a lot of work but probably be possible, or video footage on a truck I passed by that seemed to have a camera recording shit.

Not saying they can or will, but if they do, it will still have been worth it, maybe.


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post by Aran   |  | 
Re: Well I might be in trouble
<Reply # 1 on 9/27/2023 6:39 PM >

Well, if nothing else was disturbed then hopefully they write it off as either another worker stopping by over the weekend or some local kids. Using a specific knot as a security measure is clever, I don't think I've heard of that before. Hopefully they don't care enough to dig too deeply since nothing is missing.


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post by leafloving4x4gal   |  | 
Re: Well I might be in trouble
<Reply # 2 on 9/27/2023 7:23 PM >

Posted by Steed

Seems like a pretty good security system, if the last guy to leave for the weekend ties his special knot, and then realises on returning that it's been untied and retied.



Maybe said guy will wonder if he actually tied it wrong? Never know LOL

Like Aran said, nothing missing likely wont amount to too many concerns.




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post by UnspaceAgent   |  | 
Re: Well I might be in trouble
<Reply # 3 on 9/27/2023 7:24 PM >

One of the best entry detection methods I use is a simple string taped between a door and its frame. Once opened the string snaps and is practically undetectable. It doesn't tell you who opened the door or if they actually went in, but let's you know someone was there. Sometimes the best methods are very low-tech.


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post by Doug   |  | 
Re: Well I might be in trouble
<Reply # 4 on 9/28/2023 2:25 AM >

Go back and burn everything to the ground.


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post by Steed   |  | 
Re: Well I might be in trouble
<Reply # 5 on 9/28/2023 4:09 AM >

Posted by Doug
Go back and burn everything to the ground.


You can't burn it to the ground if it's a tunnel under the ground.


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post by Doug   |  | 
Re: Well I might be in trouble
<Reply # 6 on 9/28/2023 7:41 AM >

Posted by Steed


You can't burn it to the ground if it's a tunnel under the ground.






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post by NotBatman   |  | 
Re: Well I might be in trouble
<Reply # 7 on 9/28/2023 1:08 PM >

Posted by Steed

You can't burn it to the ground if it's a tunnel under the ground.


Not with THAT attitude...


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post by The Demon Crab   |  | 
Re: Well I might be in trouble
<Reply # 8 on 9/28/2023 1:27 PM >

Posted by Steed


You can't burn it to the ground if it's a tunnel under the ground.


That one scene from Top Gun: Maverick says otherwise.


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post by Tupsumato   |  | 
Re: Well I might be in trouble
<Reply # 9 on 9/28/2023 5:25 PM >

Posted by Steed

You can't burn it to the ground if it's a tunnel under the ground.


You just have the wrong oxidizer. Sand won't save you this time.


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post by /-/ooligan   |  | 
Re: Well I might be in trouble
<Reply # 10 on 9/29/2023 11:04 PM >

Posted by Steed
I entered a site today where I had to find a new exit, and the one I found was a doorway that was secured only by a bit of rope. I unknotted it and entered, but after I realised that I couldn't possibly retie the knot.

Seems like a pretty good security system, if the last guy to leave for the weekend ties his special knot, and then realises on returning that it's been untied and retied.

I'm not convinced this knot will be enough to get me, and after that they'd have to look for more evidence, such as my fingerprints, which would take a lot of work but probably be possible, or video footage on a truck I passed by that seemed to have a camera recording shit.



You're assuming it was a special security not, perhaps a likely conclusion because the knot was much more sophisticated than required, but perhaps the knot was simply to hold the door closed, and the knot was just one that the tier is accustomed to using.

I was in a similar situation once, and the action I chose to take was to the alter the environment so that it would appear that natural elements (weather/wildlife) could reasonably be believed to have caused the situation, instead of intrusion & exploitation by a curious human -- I obfuscated the slight evidence I couldn't fix by planting a lot of evidence (inside & out) which would point to a more innocuous situation. Dunno how well it worked, but the completely plausible scenario hopefully reduced any investigation into whether it was an intentional violation.


I think the touch-DNA concern is more likely than fingerprints these days, and like you said, it's hard to escape overt/covert cameras these days.


/-/oolie




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post by /-/ooligan   |  | 
Re: Well I might be in trouble
<Reply # 11 on 9/29/2023 11:51 PM >


Someone I once knew told me this tale...

Back in his or her college days, they had a 'police scanner' radio & liked occasionally listening-in on the local campus police force radio communications. For sensitive information, the college & neighboring city PD had a primitive voice scrambling system they'd occasionally use (often, it was the dispatcher asking an officer to pick-up a take-out order from McDonald's, she'd be away from the radio for 3 minutes, to go to the bathroom, etc.).

This person was very curious and somewhat technically-adept, and had a descrambler that worked on the campus PD radio system. He or she had a mean sense of humor. For example, if hearing the late-night dispatcher use the scrambler to tell the 2 or 3 campus police units she'd be away from the radio for a couple minutes to go to the bathroom (she was a nice, little old lady...), this dastardly radio-geek would wait about 75 seconds, then he'd call the (non-emergency) campus police phone #, knowing it'd violate her potty-break and cause consternation. He'd hang-up after 3 or 4 rings...

Back in these days -- before cellphone proliferation -- each dorm suite had one hard-wired telephone on a Centrex system. To make a long-distance phone call, each dorm room resident was issued a 5 or 6 digit personal identification number (PIN code) that they'd have to enter in their out-going long-distance telephone call dialing sequence, so the Centrex system could associate the call with an individual, and know who to bill for the call.

Well, one day, very early in this person's freshman year, this enterprising young scholar heard the campus police dispatcher ask the on-duty Sergeant to switch to scrambled mode over the radio, and it turns-out the dispatcher needed to make a long-distance call to another police department, but she needed a PIN to make the call (apparently the entire institution was on the Centrex system, not-just the dormitories). The sergeant, knowing they were using the scrambler, promptly gave her a departmental PIN, which of course this scholar gleefully wrote down...

Thankfully, this scholar was astute-enough to realize that if he or she used the PIN to make all sorts of long-distance calls *and* the police agency discovered (perhaps via a phone bill triple the amount of past bills...), investigators could easily research the suspected illicit LD phone calls and likely identify the culprit, because some, many, most of all calls to some LD #s made & paid-for by the scholar. For example, if the scholar used his or her issued-pin to call home to mommy every Sunday evening, but now the 'stolen' PIN was being used to call that same #, the investigator has now identified a very strong suspect...

So with this illicitly-gained PIN, the young scholar/delinquent knew to not use it to call home to mommy (about the only LD calls he'd made via the school's Centrex system so-far), but took great delight in using it to call his or her friends scattered about at other institutions of higher-learning across the fruited plains...

But again though, with enough calls to certain #s, a decent investigator, eager to find the culprit in many hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of illicit LD telephone calls billed to the educational institution's police agency, could gain some actionable intelligence narrowing-down culprits.

So (& I'm finally getting to the point of this), this naughty person discretely left little notes reading "My secret PIN for long distance calls - ######) all over the school quickly after they obtained the PIN directly, so that his or her several dozen illicitly-charged LD calls would be bundled within likely hundreds of LD calls charged to the PIN account-holder.

The fun lasted about 5 weeks, before the campus police must have gotten the huge bill, realized their PIN had been "hacked" (but likely never knowing how...) and the PIN stopped working. But by ensuring the one naughty person with the PIN anonymously shared it with many other people (& he/she didn't use it much until it was likely that many people were also using it already -- the first couple LD calls would likely be made by the primary offender...), the one bad actor was hidden amongst many people.


Later-on, this same mischievious person (sounds better than saying would-be felon...) figured-out how to make long-distance calls and even conference calls linking all his/her friends at colleges around the country via a secret toll-free # for the White House Military switchboard -- a phone # her or she intercepted as it was given-out over a Secret Service radio system while the President was in-town..
.

So if you go into a site & are worried you've left some sort of evidence behind, then tell some bums there's a bunch of alcohol & nice beds in there, some kids that there's Playboy magazines in there, etc. and your tracks will hopefully be quickly covered-over by dozens of other tracks.


/-/ooligan



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post by jitty04   |  | 
Re: Well I might be in trouble
<Reply # 12 on 11/7/2023 9:33 PM >

If nothing is damaged or stolen, I wouldn't imagine that they would go to the trouble of fingerprints, etc. That being said, it might be very different in your country as I don't know how strict they are. Looking forward to hearing an update if you're in the clear.


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post by pincheck   |  | 
Re: Well I might be in trouble
<Reply # 13 on 11/7/2023 10:06 PM >

Just means they will know someone has been in ,Find your entry point and seal it up. If no damage or theft has taken place that will be it!. They will guess if caught on video some where in the place.

its a game of cat and mouse they play with explorers. when we first started in Scotland no one new what a explorer was, now law and security people are aware due to you-tube and captures on sites


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post by Steed   |  | 
Re: Well I might be in trouble
<Reply # 14 on 11/8/2023 1:45 AM >

Over a month has passed so I'm pretty sure I got away with it. I should try that entry point again some night.


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post by TaRaShRat   |  | 
Re: Well I might be in trouble
<Reply # 15 on 11/27/2023 2:45 AM >

Posted by Steed
Over a month has passed so I'm pretty sure I got away with it. I should try that entry point again some night.


It's been a bit, but if you describe the knot I might be able to point you in the right direction. Back in the scouts me and my buddies used to pull stuff like this and the most common trick was just tying square knots from a bight, like this:

http://https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thief_knot[/high][/high]


anyways, good luck to you!


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post by Steed   |  | 
Re: Well I might be in trouble
<Reply # 16 on 11/27/2023 4:35 AM >

It looked like some sort of traditional East Asian art form. Maybe I'll stop by again and see if it's been retied the same way.


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post by Steed   |  | 
Re: Well I might be in trouble
<Reply # 17 on 12/25/2023 5:28 AM >

I went back on Christmas Eve and found they weren't working, so I managed to get this shot from outside the fence (surrounded by homeless people celebrating the holiday).

You can see the knot. It's loose and it has a lot of loops. It was easy to untie, so I think the knot serves as sort of a combination lock for reassembly, so that only the guy who tied it could get it right, and he'll know if someone else did it. Though that said, there have been no consequences so I got away with it.



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