Posted by Mr_Fiend I don't see any number of Muslims condemning what goes on in the middle east in the name of their holly book. |
Posted by blitz ISIS is no different from Kony's "Christian" Lord's Resistance Army that had no support from the so-called "Christian" community. If the mainstream Muslim community believed in anything the speaker has stated here, then why isn't ISIS supported by mainstream Muslims, and why is ISIS at war with every Islamic state and extremist faction on Earth (with the notable exception of Boko Haram)? |
Posted by Mr_Fiend And I could say the EXACT same thing to you regarding Christians. |
Posted by DevilC You could not be more wrong. ISIS has Islam "right." I am not complaining that you're not taking up their cause, but they are doing the right thing by your prophet. |
Posted by MutantMandias Compared to what? |
Posted by blitz I didn't make any generalizations about Christians (just the KKK), so I'm not sure how you can say this? When you make statements about a religion and get all huffy puffy when people bring up faults in your own religion: that's called hypocrisy. I didn't start this conversation stating how "everything I know about (insert religion here) makes me hate it" like you did. |
Posted by Soldat Why is nobody willing to discuss Islam without trying to deflect to unrelated subjects? |
Posted by MutantMandias My point is that all religions lead to violence, hatred, and general awfulness. I don't understand the point of calling out points about Islam that are identical to Christianity as a way to criticize Islam, and then complain when someone points it out. |
Posted by Soldat They are just so identical, but for some reason I would be hard pressed to find poll results from Christians where most people find death to be the proper punishment for leaving the faith. I also have noticed a distinct lack of armies massacring their ways across a country in the name of spreading Christianity. |
Posted by DevilC For instance, the manual of Islamic law endorsed by Al-Azhar University in Cairo, states that a leader of Muslims “makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax.” |
Posted by MutantMandias It's not my fault that Christians aren't doing Christianity right anymore by turning their backs on God's divine stoning and slavery and subjugation, but that's a very recent development. Many American Christians are quite vocal about wanting to return to those ways, and to start turning Christian religious beliefs into law. And the policies and justifications of the people who make the calls about sending American soldiers to kill and die in the Mideast are deeply rooted in the goal of winning in the name of Judeo-Christian religions. But, yeah, of course there are some evil motherfuckers in the world right now using Islam as a tool to warp minds and turn people into lunatics. And apparently I'm not allowed to note that Christianity has been the most popular tool for centuries to do the same, so I won't even mention it. Not once. I just realized that the title of this thread is "Islam for idiots," which I guess is a jokey joke about simple explanations. Sorry I didn't get it, since it all really just came across as "Racism for idiots." I had originally read the title as "Islam is for idiots," and that's something I can get behind. But that book would be part of a multi-volume series. |
Posted by blitz How come I can't find any proof of this outside of the publications "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (And the Crusades)", "The Evils of Islam Uncovered", and "Why Muhammad Was Wrong"? lol. I dunno, people whose knowledge of Islam is strictly rooted in what they've seen on the news or on the internet seem to be under the dellusion that terrorism, jihad, ISIS, and everything bad about Islam are the brainchild of mainstream Muslims. People will be people, and there will always be evil ones. There are over a billion Muslims in the world, is it such a shock to you that some of those people are evil and manipulate Islam to their personal benefit and to advance their agenda? Do you refuse to acknowledge that maybe there are just a few bad apples that ruin it for everyone else? Or do you just chose to see the common denominator amongst these evil people as their Muslim faith... and not that maybe they're just batshit crazy? I'm sure you'll respond by saying "they claim they do this for Allah!" No power-hungry motherfucker ever took control by just saying "i'm crazy and deserve to be in power", they manipulated factors they had control over to rig the system in their favor, and that's exactly what ISIS does. They use religion and ignorance of religion to scapegoat and fear-monger, just like the Nazis did. Do we still think all Germans are evil? Or did we realize that a few bad apples in Germany misled everyone else, even good people? We're awfully quick here to accept gross generalizations. I guess because 1% of people who consider themselves Muslim are radical jihadists, we ought to ignore all the positives the other 99% contribute and declare Islam a "religion of violence". But by all means, continue assuming ISIS and terrorism in general are guided, and supported by, mainstream Islam. That's why mainstream Muslims across the US are stockpiling their RPGS, AK's, and Qu'rans in their mosques to launch jihad, take over the world, and massacre all Jews, Christians, and fuck it, all non-believers! Right. Is it fair to judge a community of over 1 billion people based on the actions of less than 1%? |
Posted by Soldat People always make the claim that it is less than 1% of all Muslims who are radical and support violence, yet the Pew polls do not lie. I would say when you have up to 84% of Muslims in a country agreeing it is okay to KILL PEOPLE who leave the Muslim faith, or 25% of Muslims agreeing suicide bombings in the name of Islam can be justified it is a but more than judging "based on the actions of less than 1%". |
Posted by Soldat It is also probably worth noting however that while the Judeo-Christian west has managed to chill the fuck out over the past couple hundred years the Middle East and Islam has retained the behavior of 1000 years ago. |
Posted by blitz If such statistics were accurate and from an un-biased source, that would be incredibly upsetting. I'm genuinely intrigued to see them, especially because hirabah (any illicit use of fear and coercion in public or private spaces for money or power, AKA terrorism) is strictly against Sharia law, contrary to what many think. Although I have little in common with Saudi religious authorities (because they are the ultimate hypocrites) they just declared you're going to hell if you support terrorism in any way. http://www.theguar...s-crime-sharia-law |
Posted by Soldat Go to about 2/3 of the way down to see the poll results for sever punishments for crimes like adultery and leaving islam and a bit lower for suicide bombing. All the poll results are interesting though. http://www.pewglob...mas-and-hezbollah/ |
Posted by MutantMandias You do realize that Christianity is pretty clear that there should be stoning for adultery and even divorce, right? But, yes, you probably won't find an average of 50% of Christians in first world countries saying that people who get divorced should be stoned to death. So, the conclusion is that when two religions say the same thing, people in third world countries are significantly more "barbaric" in their interpretations than people in first world countries. And as for suicide bombings, the question asked was if suicide bombings can ever be justified. I would say hell yes suicide bombings can be justified, and I guarantee that each and every one of you would agree if you were being honest. Make people's life shitty enough and suicide bombings become more and more justifiable for them. When China invades America, requires people to get permits to have babies, and outlaws alcohol, do you think there won't be Christian suicide bombers killing people for Jesus? So, blaming Islam is just as stupid as blaming Christianity. The source of terrorism is always economic imbalance and exploitation of the weak by the rich. And of course, as always, Jesus agrees with me. |
Posted by Soldat Turns out there is an entire second book full of stuff he supposedly said, which I hear is supposed to be a nicer. |
Posted by Jesus - Matthew 5:17-18 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. |
Posted by Soldat You can also pretend it is a third world vs first world issue. To an extent I agree it is. But I also think Islam has help every single country in the Middle East and North Africa remain a third world state, so think of it as a chicken and the egg scenario. |
Posted by Soldat You can also pretend it is a third world vs first world issue. To an extent I agree it is. But I also think Islam has help every single country in the Middle East and North Africa remain a third world state, so think of it as a chicken and the egg scenario. |
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