Posted by splumer Here's what I am saying: We should engage in respectful debate and discussion. We should assume, as a default, that others hold their religious and scientific beliefs deeply, genuinely and reflectively. People rarely believe what they do because they are stupid, heartless, immoral, elitist or brainwashed. Let's find some charitable ground. |
Posted by splumer People rarely believe what they do because they are stupid, heartless, immoral, elitist or brainwashed. Let's find some charitable ground. |
Posted by splumer Let's find some charitable ground. |
Posted by splumer We should engage in respectful debate and discussion. |
Posted by blitz Why can't God have created science? Why can't God be the creator of the big bang and thus science and all life in the universe? Just my 2 cents. |
Posted by blitz I've mentioned this before in this forum, but for my entire life I considered myself an atheist. It all changed when I read the Qua'ran and I discovered that God and Science are in fact, the same (to me). |
Why can't God have created science? Why can't God be the creator of the big bang and thus science and all life in the universe? Just my 2 cents. |
Posted by splumer That's certainly possible, but is it probable? There is no evidence that that is the case. A lot of people make the argument that god is some sort of abstraction, but it doesn't really make sense to get up early on Sunday to go to church and sing hymns to something that's a concept, rather than a conscious entity. |
Posted by MutantMandias It doesn't matter if it's probable of not. It is the only rational view of God. If you choose to believe in God, and live in the real world based on observation and experience, there is no conflict with this simple belief. |
Posted by blitz I've mentioned this before in this forum, but for my entire life I considered myself an atheist. It all changed when I read the Qua'ran and I discovered that God and Science are in fact, the same (to me). Why can't God have created science? Why can't God be the creator of the big bang and thus science and all life in the universe? Just my 2 cents. |
Posted by tekriter I added the "hateful" myself since the book seems to be more about killing infidels and punishing various religious offences than explaining any useful truths about the universe. |
Posted by tekriter Qur'an (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper." |
Posted by tekriter "Why can't..." is sort of a parabolic question. Why can't the flying spaghetti monster have invented science? Or me, if I believed, say, that I was the reincarnated soul of a magical science inventing possum. Or zeuss. These possibilities along with infinite others have an equal chance of having invented science along with your god. Perhaps you should ask yourself "What is the probability that this god of the koran did any of the things he/she/it is reported to have done?" or "Is there any evidence of the facts presented in this hateful book?" I added the "hateful" myself since the book seems to be more about killing infidels and punishing various religious offences than explaining any useful truths about the universe. I see you have time to post on the interwebz and are not out stoning women and warring against unbelief. How were you able to decide which portions of the koran were to be taken literally, which ones were allegorical and which ones to ignore - I'm very curious. For example: Qur'an (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper." Perhaps "slay" means rub back gently. Or maybe it means AK47 mall rampage. I find it so hard to tell...Let's check the news and see what the evidence suggests. Perhaps islam-o-zombies blow themselves up in crowds of children, like at Beslan, because they believed in the truth of a book that admonished them that an entire group of humans were not to be "friends or helpers" and that made it just a little easier to stuff more nails in a pressure cooker in Boston. |
Posted by blitz Islam doesn't reject science as a contradiction to God's will (like many Christians believe) |
Posted by blitz True, but what percentage of the self-identified Christian population still believe in creationism? As of 2012, apparently 46% of Americans do (never mind if they are Christian). http://www.huffing...ism_n_1571127.html I've yet to meet a Muslim in my extensive travels of the Middle East that believes the Earth is only 6,000 years old. This is a huge deviation between the Islamic interpretation of Judaic and Christian texts found in the new testament. In my opinion, intelligent design is a Christian concept that clearly rejects the scientific justification for human evolution, just one example. |
Posted by MutantMandias Intelligent Design is essentially a political movement. Thus the source of idiocy. It is the same with Muslim idiocy. Most dangerous religious idiocy is related to "impossible to reconcile" beliefs being popularized in a group for the purpose of leading them down other "impossible to reconcile" paths, with the ultimate goal being power and money for the leaders. |
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