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Posted by Esoterik
And who would determine the qualifications on what constitutes a "responsible individual?"......you? me? No thanks on that idea, we are not in China.
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With that type of reasoning, we should do away with requiring people to pass a test in order to drive or (in some states) own a gun. Or to become a fed or a firefighter. Or to obtain a professional license to legally practice law or medicine.
The human brain is not fully mature until the mid-to-late 20s. Scientific fact. Think about it.
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Posted by jukebox fuckup
With that type of reasoning, we should do away with requiring people to pass a test in order to drive or (in some states) own a gun. Or to become a fed or a firefighter. Or to obtain a professional license to legally practice law or medicine.
The human brain is not fully mature until the mid-to-late 20s. Scientific fact. Think about it.
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I thought about it, and came to the conclusion that wanting to dictate who can reproduce and when sounds really smug.
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Posted by Esoterik
I thought about it, and came to the conclusion that wanting to dictate who can reproduce and when sounds really smug.
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...and failure to intervene if, oh, lets say a pair of 16 year olds get pregnant and the girl is forced to have the child, is extremely socially irresponsible.
It is not fair to society, the girl, her partner, or the child.
May I suggest you research the "3 million word" gap. The level of educational attainment, growth, development and maturity in the parent highly influences that of the child.
Young mothers at great risk for premature birth, resulting in infant mortality, long term/short term birth complications, neurological deficits and so on.
Low birth rate strongly correlates with maternal age, which also puts the child at risk of several severe problems.
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Posted by jukebox fuckup
...and failure to intervene if, oh, lets say a pair of 16 year olds get pregnant and the girl is forced to have the child, is extremely socially irresponsible.
It is not fair to society, the girl, or her partner.
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And that's your problem how?
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Posted by Esoterik
And that's your problem how?
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...because I have worked in an institutionalized setting and have seen the suffering of those with a range of mental illness and disabilities in civil and criminal involuntary commitments. Patient files always document psychosocial history and the presence of birth complications for a reason- because low maternal age frequently increases the chances of problems.
The psychosocial environment and birth complications are directly caused and/or mediated by maternal age.
With that being said, the quality of life and well being for children of young parents and the young parents themselves are compromised under such circumstances.
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Posted by Esoterik
And that's your problem how?
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Stupid people breed stupid kids and we eventually have to deal with them.
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Posted by jukebox fuckup
...because I have worked in an institutionalized setting and have seen the suffering of those with a range of mental illness and disabilities in civil and criminal involuntary commitments. Patient files always document psychosocial history and the presence of birth complications for a reason- because low maternal age frequently increases the chances of problems.
The psychosocial environment and birth complications are directly caused and/or mediated by maternal age.
With that being said, the quality of life and well being for children of young parents and the young parents themselves are compromised under such circumstances.
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I don't know about all that. I do know people don't always make the best decisions, and don't need smug & judgmental attitudes from a comfortable place on high - like saying you need a license to be a parent. So everyone here can say their parents were perfect, and always make just the right decisions?
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Wow, Will. Personal attack much?
You have ZERO knowledge of my family situation, monetary stability, etc. Who are you to judge?
Have you ever thought that maybe... just MAYBE there existed a couple who didn't want to party and fuck everything that had two legs, and that maybe they wanted to settle down earlier than everyone else?
I'm not saying you have to like it, but jesus. Way to blow shit up.
Also, had you read my thread, you would have known that I couldn't have been there even if I wanted to. So go you. You're a champ.
Classy to not even link me to this thread, too.
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Posted by 944kid
Have you ever thought that maybe... just MAYBE there existed a couple who didn't want to party and fuck everything that had two legs, and that maybe they wanted to settle down earlier than everyone else?
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Sorry you got called out here. Good luck with the family! I sure as hell can't judge who ought or not to have kids, so I'm gonna stay out otherwise.
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Worked for Hitler, now, didn't it?
Just look how he ended up.
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Posted by KublaKhan
We stopped at exactly one.
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Exactly one? I woulda thought you'd be up for the extra .4 my friend.
I always wished conception was really really hard. You had to be able to do derivatives or balance equations or something while engaged in intercourse in order to make it work. The benefit of eugenics + none of those "I'm too drunk to walk straight but my sperm aren't too drunk to swim" babies. Not even the "oops" ones either - because lets face it - whoTF does derivatives while having sex?
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I can say this...
In my town ( a college town with nothing but partying and drinking) it breaks down like this...
In my town alone at 3 drug stores they sell a average of 2,500 plus Plan B a month in each store. Planned parenthood conducts a average of 25-30 abortions a week.
1/4 people here have a STI (mostly HPV but some others are bad here)
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Posted by Drooldog
I can say this...
In my town ( a college town with nothing but partying and drinking) it breaks down like this...
In my town alone at 3 drug stores they sell a average of 2,500 plus Plan B a month in each store. Planned parenthood conducts a average of 25-30 abortions a week.
1/4 people here have a STI (mostly HPV but some others are bad here)
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Somebody I know told me that she has yet to have sex with her boyfriend of a few months. I said "yeah.. I know many people our age that end up pregnant or with an STI. It's worth it to take your time" (generic advice- just as generic as "smoking is bad" or "do not drink and drive")
One week later, I found out this girl was cheating on her boyfriend with somebody she met last month, who is also her assistant manager and 15 years older than her. Oi vey.
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Posted by Esoterik
I don't know about all that. I do know people don't always make the best decisions, and don't need smug & judgmental attitudes from a comfortable place on high - like saying you need a license to be a parent. So everyone here can say their parents were perfect, and always make just the right decisions?
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http://content.nej...stract/332/17/1113
New England Journal of Medicine published a nice study. When controlled for SES factors (race, income, ect.), teenage mothers are at significant risk for LBW, premature birth, and small for gestational age. Fact.
http://www.ncbi.nl...ticles/PMC1477817/
"The offspring of teenage mothers have long been known to be at increased risk of infant mortality, largely because of their high prevalence of low birth weight (less than 2,500 grams). "
LBW is linked to maternal age. Fact.
http://journals.lw..._and_Social.5.aspx
Low/very low birth weight is a risk factor for neurocognitive development. Fact.
http://www.jstor.org/pss/1602514
LBW is linked to cognitive deficits, and the adverse effects of LBW are apparent throughout adolescence. Fact.
http://books.googl...evelopment&f=false
The prefrontal cortex does not mature until adulthood (in the 20s), is the last part of the brain to mature, and is responsible for executive functions such as reasoning, planning, decision making, impulse control, and so on. Fact.
"...30 million word gap between the vocabularies of welfare and professional families by age three. This number came from the data that showed welfare children heard, on average, 616 words per hour, while children from professional families (essentially children with college educated parents) heard 2153 words per hour. The longitudinal research in the following years demonstrated a high correlation between vocabulary size at age three and language test scores at ages nine and ten in areas of vocabulary, listening, syntax, and reading comprehension."
http://languagefix...on-word-gap-study/
This study was primarily aimed to examine differences in privileged versus unprivileged families, but provides evidence that educational obtainment of parents highly influences the cognitive development of their child. Fact.
*There are exceptions to every rule- I am saying that pregnancy at a young age places the child at risks and disadvantages. There are exceptions to every rule - I know some brilliant and successful people that did not come from "professional" families, and some lazy/indifferent people that came from "professional" families. I am not saying all teen parents are "bad" people or that their children are "screwed", but that having children at a young age may present negative consequences for the child.
People do not make the best decisions, but they should make an informed and responsible decision.
If somebody gets pregnant at a young age and roughs it out, more power to them.
However, if I wanted to get pregnant, I would not put my child at risk and smoke while pregnant. Conversely, I would not make the decision to get pregnant at a young age and put my child at risk(s), either.
**An exception to the maternal age/low birth weigh correlation occurs in severely impoverished areas, where women mature faster and die younger- perhaps due to stress. That is another story that probably is not applicable here, as I doubt the severely impoverished routinely go on the internet to post on UER.
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A conversation best saved for another thread, not one where a specific individual was being called out and a bunch of bandwagon jumpers put in their 2 cents on how stupid everyone else is (and conversely, how smart and perfect they are)
Throne from whence Pronouncements About Society are made:
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Some people seem to have missed my point. I'll reiterate.
Posted by willskith
I'm pissed off at humanity as a whole. We have too many mouths to feed and too few resources. We are destroying the earth at an exponential rate. Our standards of living decrease as the amount of people increase. People, smart stupid rich or poor, should stop breeding.
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I didn't mean for this thread to end up as a discussion on eugenics.
Now I feel a little sick myself.
Posted by Esoterik
a bunch of bandwagon jumpers put in their 2 cents on how stupid everyone else is (and conversely, how smart and perfect they are)
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http://www.vhemt.o...eed.htm#intelltest
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Posted by snap228
Worked for Hitler, now, didn't it?
Just look how he ended up.
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It is a great day on the boards about abandoned buildings when a facetious post summarizing the elitist bullshit squabbling in this thread makes me akin to Hitler.
Thank you, UER.
PS- Fastest application of reductio ad Hitlerum I've ever seen. Extra bonus.
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Par for the course Hydro. Wouldn't be UER without the bums rush to judgement. 
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