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I'm fairly ignorant when it comes to what film scanners are on the market right now. Anyone know of any reasonable priced scanners than can handle 35mm and 6x6? I see the Canoscan 8400F would do this,but it seems to cheap to be good, anyone have any experience with this model? or can recommend another?
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I dont know what your price range is but here is what l just bought and it's fucking good.
If you really want to get a good scanner that takes out scratches, gets rid of dust, does batch scanning and bring out the colour in your photos then this is quite a piece of machinery.
Nikon COOLSCAN V ED
http://www.nikonus...=98&productNr=9239
4000 dpi true optical resolution
14-bit A/D converter
New Scanner Nikkor ED glass lens
Proprietary LED illumination technology
Fast 38-second scanning
High-quality CCD sensor
Direct film loading
New advanced image processing algorithm for color negative film
Quick AF and Quick Preview
All New Scan Image Enhancer
High-speed USB 2.0 interface
Digital ICE-4 Advanced(TM) (Digital ICE Quad Advanced)
Here is two sample images from it.
-niv
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How about a full resolution crop? Even a horrible scanner would look ok when displayed full frame at that image size.
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The Coolscan V should be an excellent scanner as Nivelo suggested, but it doesn't handle 6x6. I've heard good things about the Epson scanners with built-in light lids, though, if you're willing to go flatbed.
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away."
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Epson Perfection 4490 is what I use to great effect. 35mm and medium format (120).
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I have the Epson 4870, which will do 35mm, 120 and 4x5... very happy thus far.
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I made a giant death ray gun with two of my scanners.
Really I dont use them much anymore but Nivelo called off a good one.
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The Nikon LS 8000 is amazing. I rented one for a weekend a month ago, and scanned a bunch of 6x9 slides at just over 20x30, at 300dpi. It's now been replaced by the LS 9000, which is even better, and half the price the 8000 was when it was released, but for renting you'll probably find the 8000 more common, and it might show up used once in a blue moon as well. Still far too expensive for me to buy, but worth renting for $100 for a weekend, and way cheaper than printing Cibachrome.
*edit: mistyped dpi
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Can you even print Cibachrome anymore? I thought all the chemicals have been out of production for some time?
I have access to a Cibachrome processor, but they can't get chem for it.
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Cibachrome is now known as Ilfochrome. As far as I know they still make paper and chemicals for it.
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away."
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Posted by EatsTooMuchJam
Cibachrome is now known as Ilfochrome. As far as I know they still make paper and chemicals for it.
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and to take it even further off topic, my haunting knowledge of william gibson's neuromancer kicks in.
no wonder i knew "cibachrome"
Their room was smaller than the one Case shared with Molly,
and on another level, closer to the surface. Five huge Ciba-
chromes of Tally Isham were taped across the glass of the
balcony, suggesting an extended residency.
"They're def triff, huh?" Cath asked, seeing him eye the
transparencies. "Mine. Shot 'em at the S/N Pyramid, last time
we went down the well. She was that close, and she just smiled,
so natural. And it was bad there, Lupus, day after these Christ
the King terrs put angel in the water, you know?"
"Yeah," Case said, suddenly uneasy, ' terrible thing."
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back to your regularly scheduled film-geek ... stuff.
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| Cibachrome is now known as Ilfochrome. As far as I know they still make paper and chemicals for it. |
Ah, what can I say, I'm old school. And no matter which name you choose to use, it's still prohibitively expensive.
and to take it even further off topic, my haunting knowledge of william gibson's neuromancer kicks in.
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Didn't someone in that book get Zeiss eye upgrades? I remember thinking, 'cool, I wonder if Mr. Gibson shoots with a Leica?'
Of course that was before Zeiss was whoring themselves and their name out to every other point and shoot digi-cam maker looking to exchange a quality name for actual quality. [/off topic tangent]
To bring this back on topic, no matter how good Epson builds flatbeds, they'll never match an actual neg scanner. The Nikon one's great, I think Canon and Minolta have stopped making theirs. Microtek also makes one, although I don't know anyone who's ever used theirs.
Or you could MacGuyver something like this:
http://www.vistek....ategoryID=Scanners
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Posted by mortimer
Didn't someone in that book get Zeiss eye upgrades? I remember thinking, 'cool, I wonder if Mr. Gibson shoots with a Leica?'
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Why would you think that? If anything you should have wondered if he shot Contax or Hasselblad. Leicas use Leitz lenses.
Of course that was before Zeiss was whoring themselves and their name out to every other point and shoot digi-cam maker looking to exchange a quality name for actual quality. [/off topic tangent]
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Zeiss sell optics to Sony. That doesn't mean the Zeiss lenses are going down in quality - just that Sony has some nice lenses.
Leica sell Leitz lenses to Panasonic.
Schneider sell to both Kodak and Samsung.
Canon, Nikon, Minolta, and Pentax can all use their own lenses in digitals.
So really, what's that leave you? Rodenstock?
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away."
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Posted by Ben
How about a full resolution crop? Even a horrible scanner would look ok when displayed full frame at that image size.
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The pictures l posted were scanned in at 8 bit and 2000dpi to produce a 30M file size.
Then reduced to .png files ranging from 600-900k each for my website.
The scanner can do 16bit, 4000dpi = 130M file size.
It's not bad if you have a pc or laptop that can handle it under photochop.
As for the comment listed above l can only laugh because have you actually got a 'horrible scanner' scanned in a photo, then got a great scanner & scanned in the same photo and compared it side by side to see the difference?
I tell you it's frightening to say the least.
If l got off my butt to pull out my old canon shitsplat of a scanner l would post a pic but it's going on ebay to the poor folks who can't afford decent scanning utilities.
The software thats packaged with the scanner (although it has it's problems as listed in many a review) it's just the bomb when it comes to dust removal and post scanning (and l mean not post scanning in terms of photocop but in between preview and full scanning modes) lighting adjustments.
Do you get that with a "horrible scanner"?.. l think not.
So chose what you will with the money you can afford, but l think in my experience paying the money for a dedicated film scanner is worth it.
You will see what l mean when you play around with one.
-niv
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Posted by dev
and to take it even further off topic, my haunting knowledge of william gibson's neuromancer kicks in.
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Ha my housemate tells me this is a good book... just starting to read it.
Even named his firewall after it!
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-niv
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Posted by EatsTooMuchJam
The Coolscan V should be an excellent scanner as Nivelo suggested, but it doesn't handle 6x6. I've heard good things about the Epson scanners with built-in light lids, though, if you're willing to go flatbed.
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I must have glided over this part of the question but yes l must admit the 6x6 it doesn't handle.
Guess that's what you pay for in the 8000 + 9000 scanners of the nikon range!
Fuck what a price difference hey...
-niv
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Posted by nivelo
I must have glided over this part of the question but yes l must admit the 6x6 it doesn't handle.
Guess that's what you pay for in the 8000 + 9000 scanners of the nikon range!
Fuck what a price difference hey...
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Yeah, 6x6 hasn't been a "consumer" format in a long, long time and I'd imagine that it's harder to build the high-resolution/dynamic range CCD's to be over twice as wide (similar to why full-frame digital slrs are more pricey). And, of course, fewer units will be sold of a medium format scanner which means the price per unit goes up to accomodate engineering costs...
That and, of course, camera companies like to jack consumers...
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away."
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I have the Epson 4490 and am somewhat dissatisfied with it. It does both 35 and MF, but not that well - in that I can see detail in a 4X6 lab print that is not captured by the scanner. It doesn't do too well with shadows.
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