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| | | | Re: Seatbelt Tickets < Reply # 65 on 12/6/2007 2:43 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by tunnelbug I'd like to repeat what the research from the university study revealed, which I quoted earlier, but will paraphrase here: A study of countries with and without seatbelt laws revealed that the countries without seatbelt laws didn't fare any better than those with seatbelt laws. The ineffectiveness of seatbelt laws in decreasing fatality rates is attributed to the fact that people in seatbelt law areas are more likely to drive more dangerously because of the added security of the seatbelt. phew...
| The main problem is the fact that almost all cars (almost all race cars do!) don't have a integral roll cage, with hard mount points for the belts, and they don't use a four point mounting system that's needed to properly distribute the G loading in a rapid deceleration. Muscles and tendons tear, and bones break as a result. Moderate to high speed side and rear impacts are commonly fatal because of wearing belts and the body collapsing on the occupants; they hold you in place as your crushed. The mount points shift due to a inadequately rigid roll cage/unibody; the result many times is serious injury or death. Safety belts are good for front impacts alone, and many times an air bag will do a better job and cause little or no injury than belts in a front end impact. I hate 3 point safety belt systems, and this is why!
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| | | Re: Seatbelt Tickets < Reply # 68 on 12/6/2007 5:15 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Deuterium If seatbelt is statistically shown to reduce the magnitude of injuries or fatality, I'd think the insurance industry would have lobbyists to keep the law in place as they're the ones who'll have to pay the medical/death claims. Then, there will always be "but i know someone..." examples of accidents where it would have been worse had they wore it.
| Here's the thing, D, like anything else, you can skew your data however you like by changing the variables and the data entered. Yeah, seatbelts may prevent death, but cause more permanent injuries. Blackhawk brought up a really good point back a post a two about race harnesses and how they work versus the one in your mom's Camry. As an aspiring drag racer, I do wear my seatbelt on the track, but feel that if I lose control of my SS at over 110mph, it will do nothing to save me. A four or five point harness mounted to a roll cage is the best restraint out there, especially used in concert with a racing seat. During a severe high speed impact, you don't move at all. Only your head and hands are free to bounce around and now, with the ASSCAR pushed HANS-device, even that doesn't happen much. For those of you who don't drag race, most tracks require cars that are sub-13 second runners to have a cage, at least 4-point harness and the airbags removed. That's right, airbags removed. Why do you think that is? (looking at out the class)
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