Posted by Silent Knight Over the past few months I've been gradually removing much of my original UE photography from the UER.ca website with the idea that perhaps someday the images may be marketable in one form or another (coffeetable books, calendars, publications, photo gallery...whatnot). Whether they're marketable are or not remains to be seen, of course. Among my intentions this past spring was to design my own independent website to somewhat showcase the images in a more unique and visually attractive manner other than the LDB archive.

I feel that they are your pictures and that it is your decision what to do with them. If anyone wants to see them then they can goto your site. Maybe your site will have a link with this site like the others ( Wraiths, Infiltration, and whatever ones there is). At least your not taking down the whole locations that you have created, and your not leaving the site. I wish you the best of luck. Although I have never met you and have asked you to join me on a number of times I still hope that this will be possible eventually.

It's an LDB.

Database.

Not Photo Gallery.

Your stuff is great, and no one has a reason to complain to you other than those of us that enjoy and will miss them . Complaining about the LDB is stupid, photos are not required for the locations.

Consider this me moping that they are and will be gone, but that they're just images. Your images. Good luck on the photo site .

To answer a few things:

handing me 20-cents in Canadian Tire money and asking, "Is this enough to get me access to your websites?"

I was making a joke, handing you the "money" that nb had handed me. I was not trying to make any kind of point or statement, I was making a joke. Obviously you've taken that joke completly out of context and applied it to UER.

The "few photos at a time" Avatar refers to are the more than 2,000 images I freely contributed to UER.ca website over the course of the past year

A year ago (June) you removed all but about 40 images from the site (which I pleaded you to keep). Since then you've uploaded a few more images (certainly nowhere near 2000) but I can't find any evidence of them (even from before your deleting spree of May 23rd) because it seems you uploaded the photos and then deleted them again days or weeks later. So what good is "sharing" 2000 (made up number) photos if you don't actually leave them up so people can see them?

Avatar has made it clear that he doesn't want me to upload any further photos if I don't intend to leave them permanently on his website.

"permanently" is a strong word. But there's a huge difference in uploading some photos for 10 days and then deleting them for no reason, and deleting them for legal reasons.

I believe that all content which is added to the LDB should remain there, and should only be removed for legal reasons. Obviously since they are your own images, I allow you full control at all times, but abusing the LDB in the fashion that you did is unacceptable.


Baileys:

If anyone wants to see them then they can goto your site.

Yeah, I fell for this one last year in June. SK insisted he'd make his own site and that therefore it was OK to delete all his images from the LDB. I was worried but was sure it would be alright. However, it's been nearly a year and there's no site. Also, SK has informed me that he no longer plans to make a site. Also, if you look at his post, he makes it quite clear that he has no desire to share his images with the public:

my way of thinking is that photographs are drastically devalued when they're made freely available to the general public.

I believe the opposite to be true -- look at how many musical artists and other things like that become quite popular thanks to free sharing through peer-to-peer networks. Artists that would never have had the marketing or advertising budget to become popular the "traditional" way.

Complaining about the LDB is stupid, photos are not required for the locations.

Actually, they are. A location must have a main image to be published. Without a photo gallery, a location is mostly useless - until someone goes and explores it (Note: The photo gallery doesn't need to be on UER, can be on an external site)

-av

I believe the opposite to be true -- look at how many musical artists and other things like that become quite popular thanks to free sharing through peer-to-peer networks. Artists that would never have had the marketing or advertising budget to become popular the "traditional" way. -av

http://bash.org/?219418

* Avatar-X gives kris a colourful gift box with question marks and tux's printed all over. "Open it!"
* Kris looks around nervously and slowly opens it
<Avatar-X> it's empty!
<Avatar-X> the box represents what an open-source linux programmer makes in a year


S.K.

yeah, and I give out some of my software as open source. what's your point?

-av

SK:

I like the idea of a book with photos of abandonments. I would certainly by a copy. Speaking as one who has seen his family's financial status go down the shitter in the last 18 months, I know how you feel, I wish you well, and hope that book idea comes.

I'm going to miss your pics. Damn good