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UER Forum > Canada: Alberta / BC > Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. (Viewed 1536789 times)
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< Reply # 680 on 2/13/2006 5:53 AM >
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What follows is not at all meant to disparage Peterman and Company, who have my utmost respect.

you found a tunnel under the cemetary

Not unprecedented, see http://www.vanishi...nt.ca/d_tor_6.html There's also a second one to the east of this one that has yet to be explored as far as I know.

now we have proof

Of what? That an old brick sewer runs beneath a cemetery? Gee whiz. I've been in at least a dozen drains with a pentagram drawn with chalk or spraypaint in an access chamber at some point; it doesn't mean anything more than that some uncreative stoner kids found their way down the manhole sometime in the 1970s or 1980s and felt like doing some "creepy." You've clearly never been in any drains - actual evidence of someone's "satanic" activities would require an altar, puddles of blood, mutilated chicken carcasses, something more than a pentagram drawn in chalk on the wall of a tiny access room in a half-height sewer. Pentagrams are a dime a dozen, not to mention that the thing is useless for any actual worship, seeing that it's on a wall and all.

But then, you'd probably have a field day with this Krueger poster too.

this has to be left to the pros, wait for my back up until i arive.

Yeah, y'all wouldn't want to get lured into any esoteric black magic tunnels before Indy here got out there, requisitioned your couch and turned you into real bad-ass satan hunters. His professionalism and extreme adventuring abilities have sure been on display in the other threads he's been replying to. I mean, this guy hunts bigfoot with satellite imagery. I mean, woah.

this thread can close now since you closed the case! A mighty end to a great legend...

After all your drama about what you've imagined could be underneath Victoria, you're going to settle for this tiny little backbreaker tunnel? I'm disappointed. You can probably find any number of these suckers underneath old Montreal and Quebec City, some even with pentagrams on their walls. You don't need to travel across the continent to get yourself into a tunnel like that one.




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< Reply # 681 on 2/13/2006 6:05 AM >
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Kowalski, you took the words right outta my mouth! Mavrix, I think you should stick to listening to Coast to Coast AM and forget about UE.




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< Reply # 682 on 2/13/2006 4:40 PM >
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Pentagrams are a dime a dozen


Mine was free. Got it from The man Himself. He's one Bad Ass Motherfucker.

Tanuki has outlined many of the city's main storm drains, and Peterman has corroborated stories from Michelle Remembers that correspond with the various drains Tanuki has checked out. Peterman and I met last night under the cloak of Satanic darkness and discussed his recent find, re: Ross Bay.

Peterman has provided some interesting evidence, but that hardly constitutes proof. Even He'd admit that. As far as I'm concerned, this story is just beginning. We have merely scratched the surface. With diligent and judicious investigation, more evidence will follow.

Mavrix, until I am satisfied that my original question has been properly addressed, I'd prefer to keep this thread active, and the UEing ongoing.



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< Reply # 683 on 2/13/2006 7:07 PM >
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Mine was free. Got it from The man Himself.



Correction. I just got an email from Satan Himself. He tells me...in legalese no less...that I signed a contract. In exchange for the avatar, I forfeit my soul indefinitely upon the termination of my mortal life.

And in other news...I just got off the phone with a man who informed me that there is a tunnel in full use/occupation by members of Victoria's indigent community directly under a downtown convenience store. Point-of-Access is still a very well kept secret. He promised to introduce me to some of the people who make their homes there.

A tunnel that is old, brick-walled and in use. He says it's real real. He said that this tunnel is part of a larger complex that is now either destroyed, in ruins, filled in, etc. He said that this tunnel once connected parts of Oldtown to a major artery that had been used by smugglers at the turn of the 19th century. He said that he can introduce me to a guy who has a detailed map of this complex, and can identify various points where access was once gained.

AND...this is the kicker...he can plot these points on a city grid, connect these dots and BOB's YOUR UNCLE (or aunt, according to PANIC...different thread, and I won't get into it here), you've got something that looks like a Star of David...slightly distended and/or misaligned, with a tall pointy part at the top.

Not necessarily Masonic, per se. But esoteric, nonetheless.





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< Reply # 684 on 2/13/2006 7:20 PM >
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< Reply # 685 on 2/13/2006 8:21 PM >
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Kowalski You can shove it. Damn, no evidence, a fucking satanic pentagram is not evidence right. Oh yeah, like because its on a wall it cant be worshipped right?

stop acting like you know everything about the universe. If your thinkig pentagrams are on the floor thats wrong!

Stop making this personal against me, now that we found some sort of sign, apparently its normal and this and that. There everywhere right, Oh but blood and candle wax wouldnt get washed away by the water right?

Damn.. how long will you try to hang on to your dieng theory, we already discovered real secret tunnels, nothin to do with satanists, but others already proved it. Give it up already your just looking dumb.

EVERYONE KNOWS SECRET TUNNELS ARE REAL NOW GET IT? Say what you want, everyone reading these posts must agree that some of these tunnels are hidden, secret, unknown, take your pick.

Next thing you know when someone does find something, this guy is gonna say, what proof is that? you coulda planted it etc etc. You dont sound like a skeptic, you sound like a person who never accepts defeat! A sore looser.





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< Reply # 686 on 2/13/2006 8:49 PM >
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You discovered drains, which aren't secret and which everyone acknowledged from the start, existed.

I'm sorry, but if you think every place that some kid has scribbled in chalk, a pentagram on a wall, is a satanic lair, then I sincerely doubt your common sense...

Have you tried using satelite photos to find Nessie yet ?




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< Reply # 687 on 2/13/2006 9:48 PM >
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You discovered drains, which aren't secret and which everyone acknowledged from the start, existed.

For the record, Mavrix discovered nothing. Some great explorers in Victoria have found some beautiful-looking drains, and Kubla Khan has turned up some great leads on old coal chutes and possibly other tunnels downtown. Mavrix, as far as we know, has never set foot in Victoria, nor has he contributed any clues that have lead to Victorians turning up anything.

I'm excited for the next time I'll be on the west coast (no, Jester, I have no idea when) because they are really great underground discoveries.

As for Mavrix: I've been in fifty drains in about a dozen different cities, including Victoria. I've seen plenty of pentagrams, norse crosses, and messages promising doom to those who venture further. Are you telling me that there are secret societies of satanists and nazis engaging in black magic orgies beneath the quiet suburb in which I grew up, underneath Toronto's largest cemetery and below a trashy subdivision in Western Mississauga? And if so, why are you so focused on Victoria, when I've got esoteric black magic tunnels within an overnight bus ride from you?

Anyway, I accepted proof long ago that something fishy was up in Victoria. I took photos more than a year before this thread started that prove that the Church of the Sub Genius logo is stenciled all over the Hall of Wonders. Middling Satanists are so 1969.



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< Reply # 688 on 2/13/2006 9:57 PM >
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Kowalski You can shove it.


Er...s'cuze me? You can go sit in the Naughty Chair. Pronto.




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common sence? lets try it out here..

First, i dont claim this is a "satanic lair" You did.

See how you people wrongly assume, and make stuff up. But when i rebuddle your stupid ass theories, like kowalskis about blood being on the floor, you just ignore it, skeptics are good at being ignorant.

second, who said anything about an alter? Oh right, you guys did, not me.

third, you falsly assume this is the hidden chambers where occultists can perform.

WRONG, not my damn theory, this is your own retarded thoughts.

No occultist would set up ther "lair" in a drain pipe. I never claimed this.

I claim thats its possible that these tunnels lead to other areas, perhaps another tunnel, maybe an abandoned one, or a private one. Rooms similar to the ones claimed by the chineese and where they sleep and hide etc. Thats where any major occult activity would take place.

Not in a tunnel easily accessed by anyone.

Continuing on, this is CLEAR evidence of satanic occult activity, or occult influence, lets work with that.

Sure, blame it on kids who want to do something "creepy" im sure if you find blood or a sacrificed animal, it would merely be a trouble wanabe teen.

That is your thinking, always looking for an excuse, a way to prove me or us wrong. Your lucky you have me as a scape goat, because it gives you a way out to mock my words, because my words are not ordinary, and you wish to use my posts to discredit the rest of the theories from others.

This i believe is a very weak move.

Dont think I dont notice you ONLY replieng to my posts, because I give you ammunition, Dont think i dont know that.

You want to look at the pentagram? You want to make this personal against me? For my beliefs? Because i happen to believe in the possibility and you do not?

That is the fing explanation of IGNORANT my friends.

The pentagram has to circular lines around it, its not drawn perfectly, but its detailed enough. It has ALL the basic points, in this sence it was drawn correctly.

Now your going to tell me what? some kids were in the tunnel, and decided to draw a pent for fun. Ok, say that is true. How would they know how to draw it exactly? Off the top of ther mind, they would draw something different then what we see.

Wich means, they either had a picture of one, or they were very familiar with this sign.


Now, what type of stoner kids bring a pic of a pentagram in a tunnel, ?

What maybe that had a book by chance with the sign? Or maybe a path on ther bag? DOUBT IT.

So the person who drew it, it was drawn fast you can tell by the circles, they didnt take there time, but all the details are ther.

This tells me they drew it from memory. This also appears the way someone would cast a spell quickly, like theyve done it a thousand times before.

Wich means thers a good chance this was one or probably more real satanist who drew this.

And you think what? You think i believe this to be a super secret "lair"?

PPLLEEEEASEE, you guys are so full of your own assumptions and messed up beliefs, you dont know wher yours end or MINE begin!

Now please, stop tryna push this shit on ME. Damn, this is not my fucking threa, not my theories, NOT MY FUCKING RUMORS OR WITNESES YOU IDIOTS!

Im a million miles a way, posting my ideas, OH NO so what if im wrong, so what if im right, so what if your wrong, WTF cares, only u guys do ure making such a big fucking deal about this shit its amazing.

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Are you telling me that there are secret societies of satanists and nazis engaging in black magic orgies beneath the quiet suburb in which I grew up, underneath Toronto's largest cemetery and below a trashy subdivision in Western Mississauga?


Well...if you must Know, they're only under the trashy part of that subdivision.


Middling Satanists are so 1969.


Yer killin me...




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Now, what type of stoner kids bring a pic of a pentagram in a tunnel, ?

My rolling papers have a pentagram watermarked on each and every one, so that when I light one up, Me and My Buddy Satan Get Real High.




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<snip> im wrong <snip>


I agree 100% with the above quote from your post.





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Like shooting fish in a barrel..




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Micro, you're back east, maybe you can hook up with Mavrix when he spots the Wendigo on satelite and go catch it ? I would, but i'm just too far away *darn*...




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But when i rebuddle your stupid ass theories, like kowalskis about blood being on the floor, you just ignore it, skeptics are good at being ignorant.

It wasn't my theory, I just said "hey, this would be evidence." Of course it would be washed away. On the other hand, I've seen lots of stuff in drains that by all rights should have been washed away. And blood on the walls -- well, that would certainly convince me.

No occultist would set up ther "lair" in a drain pipe. I never claimed this.

Why not? I've seen some great access rooms and other dry spots where it's doable. Maybe not in Vic, where most of the drainage is pretty small, but in Toronto and Hamilton there's some great spaces for this sort of thing.

I claim thats its possible that these tunnels lead to other areas, perhaps another tunnel, maybe an abandoned one, or a private one. Rooms similar to the ones claimed by the chineese and where they sleep and hide etc. Thats where any major occult activity would take place.

Okay, just keep in mind that the downtown is on the other side of the top of the peninsula from this sewer.

Peterson, did you find access to any secret spaces off this little brick pipe?

Continuing on, this is CLEAR evidence of satanic occult activity, or occult influence, lets work with that.

What is occult influence? Any appearance of the symbol? I know how to draw the thing from playing Magic: The Gathering when I was in eighth grade. Unholy Strength, baby. Lots of kids dabble in spells and stuff when they're in high school, they rifle through the whole new age section of the local public library and learn the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram.

Before me shines Raphael,
Behind me shines Gabriel,
On my right hand Michael,
On my left hand Auriel,
For about me shines the Pentagram,
And above me shines the six-rayed star.


Then they get drunk or high or shroomed with their friends down a manhole one of them's figured out how to pop on their quiet street or in the nearby cemetery. The second time they do it, they bring chalk or spray paint and fuck around with it to scare each other or feel cool.

Even if some local goofball "satanists" actually decided to do gods know what down a backbreaker drain, it hardly proves any of your theories, which all hinge on secret tunnels, Victorian mansion castles, and karstic caverns that nobody except the satanists and the masons know about. And since the masons are all dead, well that just leaves Old Dreadful. The reality is far less interesting, I guarantee it.

im sure if you find blood or a sacrificed animal, it would merely be a trouble wanabe teen.

No, actually that would get my attention.

and you wish to use my posts to discredit the rest of the theories from others.

Actually, I'm continually intrigued by what the people in Victoria are discovering. I have no interest in discrediting their underground finds or Kubla's historiographic research. In fact, I'm defending it by countering your absurdist representations of what they're finding. It is your posts that bring discredit on the whole enterprise of exploration in Victoria, and you've not even been there.

This i believe is a very weak move.




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Peterson, did you find access to any secret spaces off this little brick pipe?


*Peterman

Haha, Nope, we went as far as we could down towards the outflow at the ocean, its already a backbreaker and gets ridiculously small closer to the outflow after the 4 or so waterfalls which are to account for the less-eventual downslope. But who knows, mavrix-> maybe there is some side tunnels that lead off into un-explored chambers and whatnot..




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Ack, my apologies.

Haha, Nope, we went as far as we could down towards the outflow at the ocean, its already a backbreaker and gets ridiculously small closer to the outflow after the 4 or so waterfalls which are to account for the less-eventual downslope. But who knows, mavrix-> maybe there is some side tunnels that lead off into un-explored chambers and whatnot..

Another problem is the fact that it's a real chore to carry a child you're about to abuse and/or sacrifice through a tunnel of that height. As you know, it's hard enough to move your own body through there, even harder to do so if you have a backpack on your back that you can drag against the ceiling indiscriminately. It would really suck to have to carry a drugged up kid around underneath you. But Mavrix wouldn't know this, because he's never been in a backbreaker tunnel before.




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Ack, my apologies.


Another problem is the fact that it's a real chore to carry a child you're about to abuse and/or sacrifice through a tunnel of that height. As you know, it's hard enough to move your own body through there, even harder to do so if you have a backpack on your back that you can drag against the ceiling indiscriminately. It would really suck to have to carry a drugged up kid around underneath you. But Mavrix wouldn't know this, because he's never been in a backbreaker tunnel before.



See, look at this shit, These are your fing words not mine. You guys are obsurd.

"And since the masons are all dead, well that just leaves Old Dreadful.'

this quote proves your ignorance, freemasonry is now bigger then ever!


And d00d, the difference between you and i is, I dont give two shits if im wrong, or wright. What I type, are just ideas, you know, just talking, just throwing it in the air, You get all fucked up when u try to say, Hey look at mavrix, he said this and that, HES WRONG.

GOOD IF IM WRONG, whats the big fucking deal. Are you saying, that IM NOT ALOWED TO POST WHAT I BELIVE? ONLY WHAT YOU BELIEVE?

THAT IS THE FUCKING WHOLE SHIT ABOUT THIS, YOU BIASED TOOLS.


THE POINT IS I SHOULD FUCKING BE ALLOWED TO POST WHATEVER THE HELL I WANT, BUT YOU ANAL TARDS ESPECIALLY YOUR RINGMASTER KOWALSKI YOU LIKE TO NITPICK MY SHIT CUZ U DONT BELIEVE IT. WELL GOOD FOR YOU, GO ON AND FUCKING REBUDLE MY POST AGAIN AND AGAIN, YOUR OBVIOUSLY NOT GETTING TIRED OF BASHING OTHER PEOPLES IDEAS, BUT I AM, FRANKLY, HEARD OF FREE SPEECH ASSHOLE?

IM JUST IGNORING YOUR ASS AND THATS IT. I CANT FUCKING SAY ITS EVIDENCE WHEN PETERMAN FINDS A FUCKING SATANIC PENTAGRAM, AND YOU TELL ME THATS NOT PROOF?

FINE, YOU WIN THIS ONE, IN YOUR LITTLE MINDS, I KNOW I AM RIGHT, AND I ALSO KNOW IM RIGHT ABOUT HOW YOUR TREATING MY FUCKING POSTS HERE. YOU DONT FUCKING LIKE IT, ERASE MY POST, BAN ME, DO WHATEVER YOUR FUCKING COWARDS.

MY POINT IS WTF CARES ABOUT WHAT I SAY, YOU CANT LEAVE ME BE? YOU NEED TO START THIS LITTLE FLAME WAR BECAUSE THATS ALL U DO, YOU LOVE IT, YOU LOVE TRYNA SOUND SMART AND SPELL SUPER PROPERLY, AND BE POLITICALLY CORRECT, AND SEEM LIKE YOUR SOME BIG SHIT EXPERT IN THIS. YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT BULLIES...HAHA





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and also you TOOLS, if you dont agree with me, you can just type, I dont agree with you, and here is why. You dont need to quote my shit, dissamble it, like your tryna make me look like an idiot, just tell me straight up, i dont care, say, mavrix ure stupid, mavrix ure wrong, mavrix u dont know shit, FINE

but dont disamble my ideas and theories, with obsurd comments and mockery, you know why? because you cant even rebuddle it properly, you dont and cant have a serious logical discussion about findings and or possibilities.

That is why, when you nit pick my posts, wich you ALL LOOVE TO DO, to me, its just retarded, because your own rebudles are even stupider then mine!

But you people are to closed minded, atleast some of you, to understand this. Your biased, and everyone knows scientists or researches cannot be biased.

so all i ask is that u stop targeting me, you know why? because if you continue, ill be forced, to nit pick your fing post, then rebuddle it PROPERLY, then spell check my shit so it looks as proffesional as yours, then WE WILL SEE WHO WILL WIN THE DEBATES. AND you dont want to do that because ill kill you sooo badly, ill win against and rebuddle so badly youll look so stupid.

Stop attacking my shit or well have a full out flame war, wich i guess thats what you want, because you love it so much.





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